Springfield Armory Prodigy - 1911 DS - double stack 2011 style

I see where a few Prodigies have been bought and/or sold on the forum.

I know the initial reports out on the web indicated some bugs needed to be addressed. Mag related I think.

Any recent, local range reports on the Springfield Prodigy?
Not local but after watching Hilton Yam's videos I will likely save my pennies for another Staccato. I was most interested in the 5" version and sadly it seems to have the most problems.




 
Weren't we supposed to beat you up or something if you got another 9mm 1911?
I haven’t even figured out what the difference is between a doublestack 1911 and a 2011. These Springer mags supposedly also fit a Staccato. Do I have a 1911? Do I have a 2011? Who knows.

One of the big issues in my mind with the menagerie of 1911’s in 9mm I owned, is the fact that to run them loaded to division capacity in IDPA, they need to be 10 round mags loaded to 10 rounds, which I submit causes issues on reloads with that wimpy 9mm recoil spring (10-12lbs) trying to drag that tightly packed top round off a freshly loaded mag.

That’s my theory why some of mine didn’t want to go fully into battery on reloads, without a bump from the heel of my support hand.

I am hoping that these 17 round double stack mags loaded to just 10 rounds to shoot ESP division won’t have these issues. We’ll see.
 
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I haven’t even figured out what the difference is between a doublestack 1911 and a 2011 is. These Springer mags supposedly also fit a Staccato. Do I have a 1911? Do I have a 2011? Who knows.

I think the Prodigy is actually designated as a 1911 DS gun. No weaseling, you have a 1911 9mm gun. But I'm guessing this one runs fine. One Youtube comparison for Bul SAS II, Prodigy and Staccato C2, the reviewer said the Prodigy was really the best shooter, softer than the other two. I expect we'll see some real good scores put up with this gun.
 
Just ordered a CompTac holster and mag pouches. They advertise 8 day lead times to ship now because apparently they don’t make it till you order it.
 
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My pink leather Staccato holster will fit it, if you need to shoot competition before your holster comes in. We promise not to judge.
 
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This thing says it is Cerakoted. I didn’t think that coating had a particular reputation for durability.
 
I have now seen multiple people with non-T&E/non-review copies of these guns demonstrate major chamber dimension problems. Consistent extraction problems separate from the mag issues.

Whoever buys one, plunk it. If it doesn’t plunk, chamber’s short and needs finish reaming.
I bet they are designed to make major PF.
Cz did the same thing. Short chambered.
 
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Here are some first impressions from just handling the gun. Haven’t shot it yet. This is also my first double stack 1911/2011

On Hilton Yam's last video, episode 86, where he reported results of an SA 1911 DS 5” that he rebuilt, his initial stock trigger pull on the stock gun was a gritty 6.5 lbs. It measured about 4lbs I think after he completed the rebuild.

The trigger pull on the 4.25” model I brought home yesterday measures 5 lbs even. I can probably work with that and get that down to 4lbs, maybe 3.5 with a little massaging. I don’t know how many rounds SA puts through them before they ship them, but they are shipping them wet, and the lube is pretty dirty. No sure if that is machining schmutz, or they ran more than just a couple of rounds through it.

The slide hangs somewhat on the disconnector when manually manipulating the slide, as Hilton observed. This will not be the first 1911 in 9mm I’ve owned that exhibits that, even Dan Wessons. Hilton’s 5” model was hanging on the disco enough to impact feeding, which he remedied for the most part when he rebuilt the gun.

I’m a right-handed, thumb-safety rider and not a fan of ambi-safeties because the right paddle on the thumb safety usually crowds my right knuckle. I’m not experiencing this so much on this gun, but I’ve never been crazy about the ergos of Springfield’s thumb safeties in general and have always changed them, most recently to Wilson low lever thumb safeties. I have a stainless one in my parts can that hasn’t been fitted to another gun, but I can’t tell without taking this pistol apart whether it will actually work with this particular gun. The Wilson safety’s paddle might actually get tangled up with the frame. I’ll save that project for later.

As an aside, I had talked to Staccato on the phone about ordering one of their pistols a few weeks ago and ordering it with a single side thumb safety. They won’t do that without me buying the gun first, getting an RMA, sending it back to them to have them install a single side safety, and they won't just ship a single side safety to the customer, because it has to be fitted. Of course it has to be fitted. Seems like they were making that harder than it needed to be on several fronts.

I am quite pleased with the iron sights on the Prodigy, which is how I plan to run this gun. That’s a whole other discussion, I know. I invariably change iron sights on just about every pistol I own, but not so with this one. The fiber front sight blade is .125, and rear blacked out u-notch is .145, which is exactly how I like them. Staccato doesn’t put a rear u-notch on their offerings, and Dawson doesn’t even market a u-notch rear sight to my knowledge, which seems somewhat odd to me.

Hilton observed that it is hard to manipulate the slide stop the way it fits into the contours of the slide and frame. It’s a traditional “retro” style slide stop which is my preference, but manipulating it is somewhat challenging due in large part to the design of the frame (IMHO). It doesn’t exactly look like it fits flush, but it feels like it. Reminds me a little of the slide stop on a first gen S&W M&P in that regard. I believe Hilton changed his slide stop to a 10-8 part that happily just dropped in for him. That might be on the short list of things I do to this gun.

The slide stop is countersunk and flush cut, much like the Staccato. As someone who has stopped a 1911 cold in the middle of a tier 2-3 match after inadvertently putting my booger picker on that pin at the exact moment the slide was cycled back, I appreciate this feature, and even smithed it into my last Springfield all steel blaster myself.

The lubed mag catch feels somewhat “sticky” when depressing it, which I think is due to it sliding inside a plastic grip. I am speculating this will break-in with use, although Hilton did change his.

I will report more after I get it to the range, hopefully this week.
 
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The 10-8 Performance gen 2 slide stop looks like the perfect remedy for the factory slide stop. It looks like a GI style, retro slide stop but has more of a protruding ledge. Just ordered.
 
If it makes you feel better, the Staccato C2 slide stop is not counter-sunk or flush. I just checked mine and the website pics.
 
I haven’t even figured out what the difference is between a doublestack 1911 and a 2011. These Springer mags supposedly also fit a Staccato. Do I have a 1911? Do I have a 2011? Who knows.

STI / Staccato had the trademark / copyright on "2011”... They are all Double Stack 1911s.

The mags will work in either, but baseplates and such will not be interchangeable
 
Took it apart to see if a Wilson thumb safety would fit. It was a bear getting those ambi safeties out of the gun the first time. They were in there tight.

The Wilson Bulletproof low lever thumb safety fit great. Only minor fitting required. Much more comfortable for me than the ambis.
 
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Turns out I also had a new Wilson Bulletproof ledge slide stop in the parts can. That, and the Wilson thumb safety remedy the two things that gave me the most gas about this gun. And I haven’t even shot it yet.

Do they match the gun? No.
Do I care? No.

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Turns out I also had a new Wilson Bulletproof ledge slide stop in the parts can. That, and the Wilson thumb safety remedy the two things that gave me the most gas about this gun. And I haven’t even shot it yet.

Do they match the gun? No.
Do I care? No.

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Actually I rather like that look.... A matching trigger and hammer would round it out.


You're going to make me end up buying a 5" one to fiddle with.
 
Actually I rather like that look.... A matching trigger and hammer would round it out.


You're going to make me end up buying a 5" one to fiddle with.
Well, you’ll fiddle all right. I had to do battle with the ambi safeties to get them out. They were really in tight.

And then I somehow put the gun back together wrong a time or three. As many times as I’ve had multiple 1911’s apart, multiple times, I don’t know how I managed that.

Edit: And I think I see why Staccato said if I wanted their single side thumb safety I'd have to send the gun back to them to have one fit. Fitting a thumb safety on a double stack 1911 (2011) is not quite the same as on a single stack, at least in terms of being able to see what you are doing. It’s been a couple of years since I fit a thumb safety to a 1911, but I recall it being much easier to eyeball the engagement of the thumb safety to the sear on a single stack.
 
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If this gun runs, I think I’m going to put a shorter trigger in it. Even with XL sized hands, if I try to ride the thumb safety, which is my habit, it’s hard to get as far onto the trigger as I like. I guess the thicker polymer grip module for the double stack mags.

Maybe a regular length trigger instead of what I assume is long that comes on the gun.
 
Hilton Yam has posted reviews after 1000 rounds through the 5” gun after his rework, and the 4.25” after 1000 rounds, both on his Patreon page. He was talking about reworking the 4.25” earlier, but he was a lot happier with it than the 5” after his initial reviews back in September, so I don’t know if he was reworked the 4.25.

You have to join at the higher tier $10 price to view the 1000 round review on the 4.25 gun. Not sure why the $10 tier, versus the $4.00 tier price where the 5” follow up 1000 rd review is.

I guess I’ll subscribe tomorrow on the renewal date (first of the month) and see what he has to say about it now, before I spend a couple hundred bucks on ignition parts to hot rod it.
 
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How’s your Prodigy running?
Put about 100 rounds through it. It behaved in a manner consistent with several 1911s in 9mm that I have owned. Several occasions to not go fully into battery. Only needed a nudge, not even a bump, but obviously not optimal for defense or match shooting.

I called and asked Team Springfield what the ideal break in would be. How many rounds. The reply was an off handed, "Oh maybe 200 rounds?"

I have followed enough youtube videos about the Prodigy to realize that Springfield will issue an RMA for any reason at all, even no reason, so I sent it back, rather than burn through another 500 rounds to see if it will break in.

It just arrived today. They reamed the chamber, replaced the recoil spring and sear spring, refit the barrel, and ran some rounds through it. Judging from the fact that it was cleaner than new when I sent it back, I mean pristine, they probably ran 50, maybe 100 rounds through it. Which I’m glad.

I’m taking it to the range tomorrow.
 
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Oh, and I did follow Hilton Yam’s advice and put his 10-8 gen 2 slide stop in it. It looks like the stock slide stop but has more of a pronounced ledge than the stock slide stop. Much easier to manipulate.

I think his slide stop is running in Staccatos too.
 
Gun ran good the last half of the range session yesterday. The first several mags it wasn’t locking back on empty. I attribute that to cold hands wearing gloves (34 degrees and windy at the range yesterday morning). My support hand thumb *might* have been riding the slide and I couldn’t tell due to mechanics gloves. I normally never wear gloves when shooting. I also had just installed the 10-8 slide stop which fits a might tighter than the stock slide stop pin. I think that loosened up a smidge with another 100 rounds judging from how it was wearing when I took it apart later, and being cognizant of where my support thumb was.

And because I am never content to just leave well enough alone, I ordered a Cheely flat faced trigger, and Wilson Bulletproof sear, disconnector, hammer, hammer strut, and pin set.
 
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I bought mine for 1400 new on black friday. I owned a SW1911 in 45 many years ago now but this is my first 2011. I bought it specifically for competition use (Limited division). I went out and put 700 rounds through it when I first got it. It only had a few failures to feed and only after it got super dirty after around round 400 (I did no cleaning or additional lubing). I'm now over 1000 rounds through it and have used it in two USPSA matches so far with no issues. I added a Limbcat safety, a Dawson Mag release with paddle, and tuned the trigger to 3.5lbs. I have not replaced anything else.

The only other things I foresee doing is replacing the slide stop with an EGW extended, a tooless guide rod, and adding a magwell.

I shot the first 700 rounds with the Duramags that came with it and currently only use three 140mm Atlas mags and one Staccato mag for matches.

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And I forgot how much I loved the 1911 trigger and overall feel of a 1911 that a week later I bought a used STI Ranger II in 9mm for 789. I added new grips and a tooless guide rod.

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Now there’s a range report you like to hear. Thanks for posting that.

Just as there are some folks who can't wear battery powered watches because they generate some weird electrical field, @fieldgrade has some bad 9mm juju that only manifests itself in 1911-style guns. I can't let him near my SR1911 Koenig model for fear of contamination.
 
Just as there are some folks who can't wear battery powered watches because they generate some weird electrical field, @fieldgrade has some bad 9mm juju that only manifests itself in 1911-style guns. I can't let him near my SR1911 Koenig model for fear of contamination.

You keep trying to get me to take it to the range, and I keep trying to avoid it.
It would be the ultimate test. @fieldgrade you should start a business testing 1911 cambered in 9mm. If it can survive you, it’s good to go!
 
Fit a Cheely flat faced trigger in the Prodigy, and a Wilson Bulletproof sear and disconnector while I was in there. Fit the thumb safety to the sear. Feels good so far.
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Digging the two-tone look...
It was a happy accident. I already had the Wilson slide stop and thumb safety, new and unused. Cheely didn’t have a black trigger in stock, and I didn’t want red or blue, so I did the two tone thing. I like Wilson Bulletproof parts, but they come stainless or blued. To get black you have to call it in, pay a smidge more, and wait till they run a batch.
 
Digging the two-tone look...

It was a happy accident. I already had the Wilson slide stop and thumb safety, new and unused. Cheely didn’t have a black trigger in stock, and I didn’t want red or blue, so I did the two tone thing. I like Wilson Bulletproof parts, but they come stainless or blued. To get black you have to call it in, pay a smidge more, and wait till they run a batch.
Yeah that two tone is looking good. I bet changing out the mag release, hammer, and grip safety would really put it over the top!
 
Looks good - how does it shoot ?
Do you have many rounds through it so far ?
I don’t have many rounds through it yet. Under 200.

I wasn’t happy how my grip felt with the wider frame, which is why I put the flat faced trigger in it, which is my preference anyway. I’ve put them in the last few single stack 1911’s I’ve owned.
 
The final iteration. It ran flawlessly at today's match, while a Stacatto in our squad was stove piping and double feeding towards the end of the match. I attribute that to either running it dryer than it liked, or 147 grain reloads.

This gun is happier with its own internals. I put the stock guts back in it except for the 10-8 slide stop and the Cheely trigger.
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