Possible national lock down coming soon

Some if us expected this earlier thus week, based on similar intel. As usual, the government is behind in implementation. :rolleyes:

Actually, I'm hoping that existing voluntary compliance to self restrictions are proving beneficial and will reduce the need for a national lockdown.
 
Have 2 contacts that have confirmed the shutdown. 1 with Fema, 1 with the Pentagon

Who knows at this point.

So essentially your Rights to freely practice your religion and assemble will have been suspended without due process and by political proclamation.

In several States, your Right to Arms have been suspended.

So, too, has your Right to a speedy and fair trial, by a jury of your peers been suspended. Along with your Right to due process, to be free from cruel or unusual punishment (financial ruin under house arrest while committing no crime)....

Martial law by any other name......
 
I’m a service tech for a security company so I’d still have to work unless I come down with symptoms of the virus, we’ve already been told to not expect any down time, we have to maintain life safety & access systems regardless of a lockdown.
 
It isn't uncommon for something to be leaked so that the powers that be can test the waters. It also isn't uncommon for something to be leaked in the hopes of harming a political opponent, even if the leak is patently untrue.

As with everything else in this whole mess, it is impossible to know what is true and what isn't. Do your best to be prepared. Do your best to take care of family, friends, and neighbors (and the occasional stranger). And pray like mad, if you are a praying person.
 
I call BS on the JH data. I believe 19k confirmed infections, and even 250 deaths, but 147 recoveries is laughable.
 
So essentially your Rights to freely practice your religion and assemble will have been suspended without due process and by political proclamation.

In several States, your Right to Arms have been suspended.

So, too, has your Right to a speedy and fair trial, by a jury of your peers been suspended. Along with your Right to due process, to be free from cruel or unusual punishment (financial ruin under house arrest while committing no crime)....

Martial law by any other name......
De facto vs de jure at this point.
There are no rights where there is no political will.
I will be practicing my right to assemble in my church, with my self defense tool of choice, and will not accept no from anybody.
 
So essentially your Rights to freely practice your religion and assemble will have been suspended without due process and by political proclamation.

In several States, your Right to Arms have been suspended.

So, too, has your Right to a speedy and fair trial, by a jury of your peers been suspended. Along with your Right to due process, to be free from cruel or unusual punishment (financial ruin under house arrest while committing no crime)....

Martial law by any other name......
And by confirm...I mean they have heard the same rumors...but nothing concrete.
I maintain there is only a 2% chance this happens.
 
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Just got email from FEDEX that the US government considers them an ESSENTIAL business and it will be business as usual for them as long as local and state AHJ's feel the same way to places they deliver.
 
In NC a state of emergency will not suspend your carry rights, that law has been changed some years ago. If there is something happening on the Federal level that might be different.
 
Just got email from FEDEX that the US government considers them an ESSENTIAL business and it will be business as usual for them as long as local and state AHJ's feel the same way to places they deliver.
FedEx isn't doing signature required anymore.
You can ship it, but they're goign to write C-19 themselves and move on.
Some of the people at work were happy about this because it means we can do less work...
but I said "nope, we do what we're supposed to do and if they don't get the signature of the recipient, we do more work because now we can't verify that the recipient got it..."
Then corporate sent out an email to all of us saying what I had already said to our local staff.

So factor that in to your own protocols how you need to.
 
Good luck. seriously.
I find myself conflicted. As a Asperger's recluse...the fact that the government has given me an excuse to stay home and not socialize seems like a dream come true. But at the same time, the oppositional defiant part of my psyche says that if govco tells me I cannot go out, I will just because "I want do what you tell me".

In the end, my hand has been forced, because my wife has an autoimmune disease and already has a compromised immune system. This could be lethal for her. We have already self isolated. Well...she has self isolated, and It's just business as usual for me.
The bottom line is that every way I turn a choice has been taken away from me.
Glad I have a gun range in my back yard.
 
Just got email from FEDEX that the US government considers them an ESSENTIAL business and it will be business as usual for them as long as local and state AHJ's feel the same way to places they deliver.
I woke up to one from UPS as well.
 
Anybody notice the FED bailed out the biggest Wall Street gamblers with nary a vote from Congress Critters? Then typed in more $$.zeros with Mitch McConnell's smile? Then $ TRILLION more magic money is promoted by that Mnuchin reptile. Folks, don't panic! They're gonna fix this virus - good and hard. Plenty of toilet paper on the way. Small sheets only....
 
Anybody notice the FED bailed out the biggest Wall Street gamblers with nary a vote from Congress Critters?
Yup. All that QE is a bunch of BS designed to bail out those hedge fund speculators running their high speed computer gambling. They're highly leveraged and instead of getting caught on their bad bets, Uncle Sugar Daddy came to their rescue. Of course, We The People will pay for it through things like inflation but the rich got their losses socialized while they continue to privatize the profits.
 
I woke up to one from UPS as well.

The UPS stores will stay open as well. My son works at one. He was told yesterday to expect to work every day he is scheduled. They have been slow lately. Probably because peeps are out panic buying toilet paper and boolits. He lost some hours because of schools sending students home. The owners son needs something to do I guess since his college shut down.

I would just ask folks to remember that the UPS Store and Fedex stores are not the actual company. They are franchises. I believe the UPS Store used to be Mailboxes, Etc. There is only so much they can do if you have a problem with "the company", so please cut them some slack.
 
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The UPS stores will stay open as well. My son works at one. He was told yesterday to expect to work every day he is scheduled. They have been slow lately. Probably because peeps are out panic buying toilet paper and boolits. He lost some hours because of schools sending students home. The owners son needs something to do I guess since his college shut down.
Yep, UPS stores mentioned in the email.

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I find myself conflicted. As a Asperger's recluse...the fact that the government has given me an excuse to stay home and not socialize seems like a dream come true. But at the same time, the oppositional defiant part of my psyche says that if govco tells me I cannot go out, I will just because "I want do what you tell me".

In the end, my hand has been forced, because my wife has an autoimmune disease and already has a compromised immune system. This could be lethal for her. We have already self isolated. Well...she has self isolated, and It's just business as usual for me.
The bottom line is that every way I turn a choice has been taken away from me.
Glad I have a gun range in my back yard.

We're living very similar lives, it seems
I still have to go out to work, for now, but I sit in the back office instead of being out in the floor with the general public.

Eventually, people are going to band together, arm up, and defy their police. I can't do that on account of wifey and my parents may be needing help before too much longer.
I would, however, like to subscribe to the newsletters of some of the CFF members who have stated they no longer have dependents to worry about.
 
I find myself conflicted. As a Asperger's recluse...the fact that the government has given me an excuse to stay home and not socialize seems like a dream come true. But at the same time, the oppositional defiant part of my psyche says that if govco tells me I cannot go out, I will just because "I want do what you tell me".

In the end, my hand has been forced, because my wife has an autoimmune disease and already has a compromised immune system. This could be lethal for her. We have already self isolated. Well...she has self isolated, and It's just business as usual for me.
The bottom line is that every way I turn a choice has been taken away from me.
Glad I have a gun range in my back yard.
What makes us human, is our ability to regulate our urges and instincts. To think carefully upon them and determine if action is best served now or later or if at all. Otherwise, we're not much better than Pavlovian dogs automatically salivating to a bell.
 
Fascinating times. Panic and government overreach on steroids at one extreme, with a new DEADLY/bad cold/probably TB/really flu bug on the other end. Or Something? Crazy but dangerous not knowing the simple truth. It's most likely a further weaponized version of SARS that escaped BSL-4 Wuhan, just like SARS itself did previously. Lamestream Media won't talk about this weird engineered virus with AIDS similarities that inexplicably jumped on human to human transmission so quickly it couldn't possibly come from bats or any other natural normal progression. Because, not just racist, it's World War III even if accidental! Trump is right to call it China Virus. It's a play on words for what ails America that killed our industry, prosperity, and future. Nevermind the bug itself. That could easily have spawned at Johns Hopkins, Fort Dietrich, UNC even, or Winnipeg where a sample no doubt was pilfered by Chinese nationals. CDC and WHO up to their eyeballs in this type "research" themselves. Sick damn world. Hope it dies and we come out of it wide awake, stronger than ever.
 
In NC a state of emergency will not suspend your carry rights, that law has been changed some years ago. If there is something happening on the Federal level that might be different.


Got this in an email from the North Carolina Sheriffs Association.


"Prior to 2012, during a declared state of emergency, several General Statutes allowed restrictions and prohibitions to be imposed on the “possession, transportation, sale, purchase, storage and use of dangerous weapons and substances, and gasoline.” “Dangerous weapons” included firearms such as handguns, rifles, and shotguns.” Those General Statutes, as they applied to firearms, were held unconstitutional in the federal court case of Bateman v. Perdue, 881 F.Supp.2d 709 (2012).



As a result, the North Carolina General Assembly repealed those General Statutes and enacted the current statute [G.S. 166A-19.31] to address this issue, which became effective October 1, 2012.



G.S. 166A-19.31(b)(4) provides that ordinances enacted by counties or cities during a state of emergency may include prohibitions and restrictions: “Upon the possession, transportation, sale, purchase, storage, and use of gasoline, and dangerous weapons and substances, except that this subdivision does not authorize prohibitions or restrictions on lawfully possessed firearms or ammunition (emphasis added.) As used in this subdivision, the term "dangerous weapons and substances" has the same meaning as it does under G.S. 14-288.1. As used in this subdivision, the term "firearm" has the same meaning as it does under G.S. 14-409.39(2).



In explaining this law in a Blog post on June 1, 2012, and in her current teaching materials, Norma Houston, Lecturer in Public Law and Government, at the UNC-CH School of Government, explains in pertinent part:

What does this mean for local governments and citizens?

Local governments can still impose restrictions on dangerous weapons such as explosives, incendiary devices, and radioactive materials and devices, but cannot impose restrictions on lawfully possessed handguns, rifles, and shotguns. For example, if an individual is carrying a concealed handgun with a valid concealed carry permit during a declared state of emergency under which a dangerous weapons prohibition has been imposed, the local prohibition would not apply to this individual’s lawful possession of a concealed handgun.



Keep in mind that a wide variety of events may constitute a disaster – from a hurricane to a winter ice storm to a terrorist attack to a nuclear plant melt-down. Some disasters may warrant restrictions on dangerous weapons to protect public health and safety (imagine the need to ban the sale of explosives when under threat of a terrorist attack). However, under the exception, citizens can still lawfully possess handguns, rifles, and shotguns, even in these situations.



What cities and counties CAN do under a local state of emergency…

· Restrict other “dangerous weapons and substances”

· Enforce other emergency restrictions (such as a curfew) even if an individual is lawfully possessing a firearm

· Enforce other state gun laws (such as concealed-carry permit requirements)

· Include gun stores in business restrictions (but only to the same extent as other businesses)


What does this NOT mean for local governments and citizens?

This exception to the dangerous weapons restriction authorization does not override other restrictions that local governments are authorized to impose during a state of emergency. For example, if a curfew is imposed, an individual cannot violate the curfew even if he lawfully possessed a firearm. Or, if an evacuation is ordered, an individual may lawfully transport a firearm while evacuating, but must still heed the evacuation order. This exception also does not override other local ordinances relating to weapons (such as those prohibiting weapons in local government buildings); it only applies if and when restrictions on dangerous weapons are imposed during a declared state of emergency.



What cities and counties CANNOT do under a local state of

emergency…

· Limit or restrict the “possession, transportation, sale, purchase, storage, and use” of lawfully possessed firearms (defined as handguns, shotguns, and rifles) and ammunition for those firearms

· Prohibit the lawful sale of firearms

· Prohibit the lawful sale of ammunition for lawfully possessed firearms.

· Prohibit lawful concealed carrying of handguns

· Prohibit lawful open carrying of handguns (or shotguns or rifles)

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