Holly Springs Public Hearing re: NO GUNS Postings

What if we took training and received Armed Security Guard certification, we can open carry anywhere, just have a small brief case in hand?

My question is, if I have a conceal carry permit and I print or expose my pistol inadvertently, will that be an arrestable offense?
 
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not sure what our founding fathers would have done, but I’ll tel ya what BLM and ANtifa would do...set those police cars and steaming pile of feces they call council building on fire, then march on down to the Counsel member houses and be aggressive, loud, and uncomfortable.


I wish I was joking. Anything less is simply a waste of time. What’s that definition of insanity? The good boy bit has been unsuccessful 8376 times. Current events have shown the population what works. Mob rule. If not going to be a mob, save your PTO

Agreed. The pols, media people and petty tyrants won’t change until they have fear. Fortunately there hasn’t really been a need for most people to cross that bridge, but at some point everybody has a line.
 
Before the next election cycle starts, I would love to have a get together of all the Holly Springs member on this forum to discuss strategies to elect someone to the City council that will be willing to follow the laws of NC and USA. If you would like to be on the list, please rely to this thread.
 
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We need someone that has the ear of the Wake GOP, they haven't done much of anything worthwhile in Holly Springs at least since we moved here in 2011.
 
We need someone that has the ear of the Wake GOP, they haven't done much of anything worthwhile in Holly Springs at least since we moved here in 2011.

I may be wrong, but I think the problem here is that the city political scene is suppose to be non-partisan. So, the Holly Springs officials are discouraged to seek Republican or Democratic support.
 
I may be wrong, but I think the problem here is that the city political scene is suppose to be non-partisan. So, the Holly Springs officials are discouraged to seek Republican or Democratic support.
In an ideal world that's how it would work, however in this world the Dems have shown up in force for their people (Christine Kelly and Aaron Wolff).
 
All,

There is a second vote Tuesday night in Holly Spings City Council to prohibit Open Carry in Holly Springs greenways and city parks. Please email your opposition to Ordinance 20-04.
EMAIL COUNCIL MEMBERS and MAYOR and copy the Town Clerk to place in the record:

dick.sears
dan.berry
christine.kelly
shaun.mcgrath
aaron.wolff (Author of ordinace and suspected Bloomberg follower)
peter.villadsen
linda.mckinney

Their emails can be found here: https://www.hollyspringsnc.us/143/Mayor-Town-Council

Thank you
 
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I sent an email to the council members and here is Mr Wolff’s responce:

Mr_______,

Thanks for reaching out. To be clear, the ordinance would not prohibit open carry on greenways, but it would in parks and town buildings. To answer your question, no, we do not have plans to create an ordinance to limit speech.

I will be voting to support the ordinance at tomorrow's meeting.

Aaron Wolff
Interestingly enough, open carry is a form of free speech, just like carrying a sign stating that you support a cause. Please let Holly Springs Council members know that open carry is a first and second amendment issue.
 
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“It is really important for people to realize that open-carry is mostly used to intimidate people,” said Becky Ceartas, executive director of North Carolinians Against Gun Violence.

We don’t need guns whether they are concealed carry or open carry where people work and play.” she said.“


LOL...yeah, you do; you just haven’t been in the wrong situation yet.
 
A few thousand residents show up, carrying openly, there ain’t a g.d. thing they could do about it.
 
Part of an email I just sent the council members:

I wanted to reach out to thank you after tonight's vote. I truly appreciate the hard work several of you have done to ensure Grass Roots North Carolina gets closer to their yearly funding goals. The last few weeks have transformed me from a relatively apathetic gun owner to a recurring donor to at least three pro-gun organizations. I'm sure I'm only one of many that have made this commitment.
 
Heard back from Aaron Wolff regarding my request about which Apex ordinance bans open carry on town property. He responded with:

Here is the link to Apex's municipal code: https://library.municode.com/nc/ape...Id=COOR_CH14OFMIPR_S14-17.1FIDIPUPRWHUNINIMSU

You will find what you're looking for under Sec. 14-17.1.1 and Sec. 14-17.2.

Sec 14-17.1. is...

Sec. 14-17.1. - Firearms; display on public property while under the influence of an impairing substance.

and 14-17.2 is...

Sec. 14-17.2. - Concealed weapons prohibited; town property; signage.

WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BANNING OPEN CARRY!

It's times like this I wish I could curse on this forum...
 
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Those of you who are in Holly Springs, one of Aaron Wolff’s cohorts is running for State Rep in District 37, however Erin Pare is running against Wolff’s friend. I called and volunteered to help Erin. If you can also help Erin please contact her through her website: https://erinfornc.com/. Erin is endorsed by the NRA and GRNC

Thanks
 
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All,

Erin is severely underfunded compared to her opponent. I think that if we do not actively help her, then we are failing to defend our Constitution by not fighting against those that want to suppress our freedoms.
 
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Heard back from the actual town lawyer. He states that they've modeled the Holly Springs OC ban upon this ordinance in Apex's codes:

Sec 15-7(i):
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Except as otherwise permitted by N.C.G.S. Chapter 14, Article 54B related to carrying of a concealed handgun, no person shall carry, possess or use any firearm or other dangerous weapon within any park. This section shall not apply to law enforcement or other government personnel acting in the scope of their employment.
 
All,

Erin is severely underfunded compared to her opponent. I think that if we do not actively help her, then we all failed to defend our Constitution by fighting against those that want to suppress our freedoms.

I donated yesterday. Hope that she wins.
 
Did they copy this from what Chapel Hill has about open carry? With 100 counties in the state and many more local towns and villages it would be easy to violate a local ordinance if you are passing through the area as you travel in the state. I thought the state law was passed to stop this type of local anti gun laws.

I guess the folks in charge forget what happened to the ball team practicing at the field in DC when a gunman tried to murder folks.
 
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Anyone who is interested in helping post Election Signed for Erin, please send me a private message with your name and phone number. And I will pass this info to her election manager.
 
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Good lord - that guy's views are extreme left and he is intentionally misleading people.

"The Virginia Tech shooter bought his gun over the internet"

Yeah, but it was shipped to a local FFL who did the NICS check on him, which he passed. The fact that it was bought on the internet was a non-issue, because all Federal and State laws - including background checks - were followed.

There is lot's more, but the bottom line is that he is rabidly anti.
 
One more detail, I think that the Holly Springs council is just a stepping stone for him to grow politically. He will try to run for state office at some point. Why do I say that? His website name .... “. electAaronWolff..com”. He is going to be around for a while. And we can start vigorously fighting the “cower and hide” approach to active shooters(lunatics) now or after they start taking away our firearms! I don’t think we have any other choices!

But one thing I would like to emphasize. We must fight with grace in our heart. We will not change Aaron’s heart. He is emotionally traumatized by what happened, but if we are kind and gentle in our words and deeds, we may persuade those that are undecided.
 
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But one thing I would like to emphasize. We must fight with grace in our heart. We will not change Aaron’s heart. He is emotionally traumatized by what happened, but if we are kind and gentle in our words and deeds, we may
This x 100! Aaron is a lost cause. The best we can hope for is to vote out Kelly and Villadsen next year and ensure Aaron is a position where his power is minimized.
 
My understanding is that any broad ban on open carry in NC (except in government buildings and their immediate appurtenances, and certain "special" recreational facilities and athletic fields) is contrary to state preemption, especially if one has a permission slip to carry, as I do (I have a Georgia Weapons Carry License).

I typically carry openly, so would I be harassed by law enforcement if I carry my holstered pistol openly at a park in Holly Springs? I enjoy visiting the fine state of NC whenever I get a chance, but have never been to Holly Springs.

What would solve all this would be to have a better state preemption law passed, taking away all local authority to regulate weapons. Here in Georgia all public buildings are good to carry in, except courthouses (screened or non-screened) and any other type of "government building" (not all public buildings qualify as a "government building") that has screening. School buildings (included in "school zones") are also off limits, EXCEPT when picking up or dropping off a student, but I'd only conceal carry in that circumstance.

Anything good being planned for the next legislative session? I remember when the "I support the Second Amendment BUT" Republicans passed a law to prohibit carry on the state fair grounds there. They are supposed to be going forward on rights, and not backward.

By the way, I am a paying member of Grass Roots North Carolina, as well as Florida Carry, Bama Carry, VCDL, and not to mention my own state with Georgia Carry. I'm a firm believer that we need to band together, even across state lines, in order to help each other.

Phil

Phillip Evans
 
If we don’t actively work to get good people elected, who is going to work to keep our right to bear arms????Erin Pare has an A rating from the NRA, and she is running for NC House for Distict 37. (Holly Springs, Fuquay and Willow Springs) She needs help for early voting and Nov 3 at the polls. If you want to help, please message me your phone number and I will have the campaign give you a call!
 
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If we don’t actively work to get good people elected, who is going to work to keep our right to bear arms????Erin Pare has an A rating from the NRA, and she is running for NC House for Distict 37. (Holly Springs, Fuquay and Willow Springs) She needs help for early voting and Nov 3 at the polls. If you want to help, please message me your phone number and I will have the campaign give you a call!
You're still depending on politicians and the NRA?

That's the problem.
 
I know the Pare family. She is not a politician and has never run for any office. She is a mom and PTA president, Ex military spouse who is also supported by GRNC. So we can have Batch(Supported my Aaron Wolff) who opposes 2nd amendment or Pare. If people like Batch get elected and we do nothing to stop her; then it is our(gun owners) fault!!!
 
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In case you are not aware, a rabidly anti-gun Holly Springs Town Council member has decided to use that elected position as a platform to deny residents the right to bear arms on town property. As a resident myself and a volunteer for GRNC, I say we cannot let this go unchallenged. I am asking that anyone living in Holly Springs attend the public hearing on Tuesday, August 18th at 7:00 PM. If compelled, please also sign up to speak.

Thanks,
Greg Tarpley
Director of Administration
Grass Roots North Carolina

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From GRNC's latest alert:

Holly Springs in Southern Wake County has scheduled a public hearing August 18th at 7 pm to address the liberty of law-abiding citizens.

Please attend the council meeting and email your opposition to banning freedom. Freedom grabbing council members need to be educated once and for all. Broadcast our message loud and clear.

Town of Holly Springs
128 S Main Street
Holly Springs, NC 27540
Phone: (919) 552-6221
Town Hall Phone: (919) 557-3901

Tuesday August 18th 7pm


https://www.grnc.org/defend-your-ri...c-alert-7-28-20-holly-springs-nc-common-sense
did you support/vote for any of the council Members who voted for either ordinance? I Think you did. What are your thoughts now?
 
In to watch the new guys jello fight.
 
Erin Pare won last night but it was close. That's at least 1 pro 2A voice from HS
You all may not know this but the anti-gunner Batch out spent Erin Pare by a very large margin. Erin won because there were enough volunteers helping during the election. If you care about your 2A rights, volunteering during the election season has the largest impact.
 
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I thought State law prohibited this..?

It does but the town has stated that since action hasn’t been taken against other cities such as Cary and Chapel Hill iirc, that they are free to ignore the law as well.

Attend these.

I took my son to a town meeting years ago for part of his Boy Scout activities. The council typically has the town attorney present to answer any questions the council members may have about various aspects, and it was readily apparent that the one for our town was knowledgeable and provided advice based on the laws.

If you attend these meetings, then it would be a good question to bring up the validity of such a proposal in light of what NC § 14-415.23. Statewide uniformity says.

Enacting a local law which flies in the face of the overriding State Statute means if people are arrested under the local statute, when it gets to court it would be thrown out. This represents a waste of tax payer's time, money, and resources and could open them to a subsequent law suit, which would cost the tax payers MORE time, money, and resources to settle.

Keep in mind that a lot of council members don't really understand the various laws and limitations, even the well meaning ones. That's why their attorney is typically present to provide the council legal advice on such matters.
 
Attend these.

I took my son to a town meeting years ago for part of his Boy Scout activities. The council typically has the town attorney present to answer any questions the council members may have about various aspects, and it was readily apparent that the one for our town was knowledgeable and provided advice based on the laws.

If you attend these meetings, then it would be a good question to bring up the validity of such a proposal in light of what NC § 14-415.23. Statewide uniformity says.

Enacting a local law which flies in the face of the overriding State Statute means if people are arrested under the local statute, when it gets to court it would be thrown out. This represents a waste of tax payer's time, money, and resources and could open them to a subsequent law suit, which would cost the tax payers MORE time, money, and resources to settle.

Keep in mind that a lot of council members don't really understand the various laws and limitations, even the well meaning ones. That's why their attorney is typically present to provide the council legal advice on such matters.
The constitutionality of the ordinances were brought up several times during the meetings and each time the town attorney had a hand-wavey answer.
 
The constitutionality of the ordinances were brought up several times during the meetings and each time the town attorney had a hand-wavey answer.

Consult an attorney of your own.

Then ask point blank how this would work out in court if anybody at that meeting, council members and attorney included, were arrested on such a charge.
 
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