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Hey y’all

I used to be a big Glock fan but after picking up a p320 and a 365, I have completely changed to a sig enthusiast. They seem equally reliable and to me seem more accurate. The are slightly more pricey but not that big of a difference that people would be deterred. What are your thoughts? I am wondering how long the sigs will endure compared to the Glock since flocks seem to hold up for so long.
 
Majicmike said:
Glocks are great guns but they are really no better or reliable than any other new gun. Gaston’s design wasn’t genus, his marketing was.
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His timing was pretty good too.
 
Skysoldier7 said:
Hey y’all

I used to be a big Glock fan but after picking up a p320 and a 365, I have completely changed to a sig enthusiast. They seem equally reliable and to me seem more accurate. The are slightly more pricey but not that big of a difference that people would be deterred. What are your thoughts? I am wondering how long the sigs will endure compared to the Glock since flocks seem to hold up for so long.
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Hold that sig tight!
Lord help you if you ever pick up a CZ ;)
 
After dealing with sig customer service on a 938 SAS and a 365 XL IDC what next crazy thing sig comes out with I'm not buying it.

P320 should last about as long as other polymer handguns on the market. I had a p10c guy before me claimed ran 10k rounds I put another 200 through it and sold it during the height of covid panic buying. Recoil spring was wore slap out but the gun still shot well. I've seen Glocks go just as long also. Take care of it and it should outlive you.
 
draco88 said:
You rang the CZ bell...here I am :)
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To put it the shortest way possible: Glocks are great guns but they’re lacking in innovation and the market is realizing that. They release the same gun every year with the same garbage sights, the same shitty grip texture, the awful grip angle, the trigger guard callous which is so prominent it has the name “Glock knuckle”, and the same shitty trigger. In my opinion, they’re too expensive ($550-$700 new) for what you get.

Other companies are releasing guns with the same reliability but you don’t have to spend an extra $500 on top of the price of your gun to make it how you want it. You can spend $500 and get a gun that’s good to go out of the box with a good trigger, night sights, solid grip texture, etc.

They’re awesome tools, they’ll go bang everytime, but so will a CZ, a P320, an M&P 2.0, HK, etc. etc. If Glock took the time to actually listen to what consumers want and study modern shooting techniques, there wouldn’t be a company to touch them.

For right now, they’re reliable guns as always but that’s about it. You can get the same reliability with more features from a different company for the same price or cheaper
 
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rms2324 said:
They release the same gun every year with the same garbage sights, the awful grip angle,
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People's hands are made different. A G19/G26 grip is spot on for me. A 1911, Smith 3rd gen, similar grip angle pistol points down so much so, that the top of the front sight isn't seen.
 
rms2324 said:
To put it the shortest way possible: Glocks are great guns but they’re lacking in innovation and the market is realizing that. They release the same gun every year with the same garbage sights, the same shitty grip texture, the awful grip angle, the trigger guard callous which is so prominent it has the name “Glock knuckle”, and the same shitty trigger. In my opinion, they’re too expensive ($550-$700 new) for what you get.

Other companies are releasing guns with the same reliability but you don’t have to spend an extra $500 on top of the price of your gun to make it how you want it. You can spend $500 and get a gun that’s good to go out of the box with a good trigger, night sights, solid grip texture, etc.

They’re awesome tools, they’ll go bang everytime, but so will a CZ, a P320, an M&P 2.0, HK, etc. etc. If Glock took the time to actually listen to what consumers want and study modern shooting techniques, there wouldn’t be a company to touch them.

For right now, they’re reliable guns as always but that’s about it. You can get the same reliability with more features from a different company for the same price or cheaper
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Glock redefined the handgun industry, and for multiple decades has sold more pistols that all other manufacturers Combined- so lets get that out there right off the bat
Sights are cheap and easy to change - most shooters change sights right off the bat
Grip angle - over the years I have taught many people to shoot. The average person that hasn’t shot before will shoot a Glock better - I don’t know why.
In polymer striker fired pistols - not one other company is even close to the range of aftermarket magazines, sights , holsters , slides and other parts. Glock has become the 1911 of the semi auto world. They were the first polymer semi autos that custom makers started to work with
Other companies had to offer more features just to get people to look their way
 
BrettB said:
Glock redefined the handgun industry, and for multiple decades has sold more pistols that all other manufacturers Combined- so lets get that out there right off the bat
Sights are cheap and easy to change - most shooters change sights right off the bat
Grip angle - over the years I have taught many people to shoot. The average person that hasn’t shot before will shoot a Glock better - I don’t know why.
In polymer striker fired pistols - not one other company is even close to the range of aftermarket magazines, sights , holsters , slides and other parts. Glock has become the 1911 of the semi auto world. They were the first polymer semi autos that custom makers started to work with
Other companies had to offer more features just to get people to look their way
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And while I agree, they redefined it 40 years ago with 0 major changes since then. That’s great and it still continues to be a great, dare I say the best pistol, but Glock is the opposite of innovation today.

I still consider Glocks to be the best overall duty/service pistol but innovation is not in Glock’s name currently.

A pair of Truglo HDs is $130. I don’t need to add more to the cost of my $600 gun that should come with all of that. You’ll like the grip angle if you only shoot glocks. If you don’t, it’s horrible, just my opinion. I shoot them as well as any other gun albeit uncomfortably
 
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rms2324 said:
A pair of Truglo HDs is $130. I don’t need to add more to the cost of my $600 gun
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This^^^^

But honestly same thing can be said about sig. Why is the finish coming off of my $650 XL and why will you not fix it? Why are magazines $50 each and it only came with 2?!?

At that math S&W or CZ is king. Guns are cheap and mags are okay priced and the finish doesn't come off lol.

In the used market glock is king. They are cheap and normally the first owner has already changed the sights. So you pick it up for $450 buy some $25 magazines off Greg cote llc a used holster off this forum and you have a hella load out for much cheaper than anything sig produces.
 
Catfish said:
I've never understood this criticism of any gun and I've heard it about several. If you pick up a gun and point it and the sights don't line up, that's YOU not the gun.
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If you’re coming from Glocks only, yes you’ll line up fine.

Coming from ANY OTHER platform, your sights are going to be high because the Glock grip angle does not line up with our natural movement. When you push out naturally, the sights will be high unless you push them down due to the natural design/angle of our wrists. The natural point of aim with Glocks is high, that’s undisputed.

It’d be different if I was shooting Glocks worse than other guns. I’m not at all, exactly the same, that high point of aim is the killer for me personally. A good way to test this is dry-firing. Close your eyes, have the pistol racked, push out and hold. With Glocks, it’s gonna be high.
 
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Squanchy said:
This^^^^

But honestly same thing can be said about sig. Why is the finish coming off of my $650 XL and why will you not fix it? Why are magazines $50 each and it only came with 2?!?

At that math S&W or CZ is king. Guns are cheap and mags are okay priced and the finish doesn't come off lol.

In the used market glock is king. They are cheap and normally the first owner has already changed the sights. So you pick it up for $450 buy some $25 magazines off Greg cote llc a used holster off this forum and you have a hella load out for much cheaper than anything sig produces.
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In terms of overall value/reliability, CZ is the way to go (and yet I own none). And in terms of used, you’re right. Best value for so much pistol.

I’d keep bugging Sig about your XL finish. If you look at your barrel, it has the same flaking as your slide. How a barrel would get like that while in the gun, I don’t know. I showed a friend and he said the same thing. Why the barrel would rust/flake, I have no clue. It really smells like a finish/QC issue to me
 
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Catfish said:
I've never understood this criticism of any gun and I've heard it about several. If you pick up a gun and point it and the sights don't line up, that's YOU not the gun.
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That's what I have come to find out. I was anti glock for years choosing to shoot an m&p and 1911 and saying Glock sucks. Now that I am a halfway okay shooter and my presentation is getting better I find myself finding the sights much faster and the presentation difference on my 1911 vs my glock 19 is corrected so quickly I don't notice if it is the grip angle or my bad purchase on the handgun in a quick draw.
 
rms2324 said:
In terms of overall value/reliability, CZ is the way to go (and yet I own none). And in terms of used, you’re right. Best value for so much pistol.

I’d keep bugging Sig about your XL finish. If you look at your barrel, it has the same flaking as your slide. How a barrel would get like that while in the gun, I don’t know. I showed a friend and he said the same thing. Why the barrel would rust/flake, I have no clue. It really smells like a finish/QC issue to me
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Yeah it had to be a QC issue. Only thing I can think of. Different issue I had a p938 SAS a few years back the takedown pin kept falling out of. Sig CS told me it is a non captured pin and with force it will come out on its own and it wasn't an issue they balmed my grip. Other people shooting the gun the same thing would happen to them. I think the frame was out of spec but sig refused to take the gun in and told me I could pay their gunsmith to examine it if I wanted.

I had a cz p10c I got really cheap from a buddy shot amazing and the trigger really is remarkable. It's not a Glock killer nothing will be but it stands toe to toe with gen 5 I'd recommend getting one after the panic is over just to try they used to be $400 guns.
 
rms2324 said:
Glock grip angle does not line up with our natural movement
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Bull. Hockey. That doesn't exist. You've trained to shoot one pistol then you pick up another one and it's different - yup. Now train with that one and master it too. and the next one and so on. arrows vs indians and all that.
 
Catfish said:
Bull. Hockey. That doesn't exist. You've trained to shoot one pistol then you pick up another one and it's different - yup. Now train with that one and master it too. and the next one and so on. arrows vs indians and all that.
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Natural point-of-aim doesn’t exist? Interesting
 
I'm by no means a master shooter but I work very hard at being able to pick up anything and shoot it well enough. When I used to play guitar we would say "never blame the instrument" because a good player can make a 2x4 sing. I believe the same principle applies to pistols.
 
Doesn't glock have the same grip angle as a luger?

Natural point of aim is something but you'll never get the exact same perfect grip on a handgun coming out of a holster. Every time that grip is alittle different and under stress it may be way different (why most people are anti grip safety) if you cannot adjust on the move quickly for that grip difference then glock grip angle vs sig will be huge to you. The more I shoot and do dry fire practice the less the angle bothers me because I'm learning how to adjust for that perfect sight picture. But going from a Glock, 1911 to a revolver the grip angle doesn't kill it for me.
 
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Its a healthy discussion though. I think we have come to the conclusion sig and Glock are overpriced and S&W and CZ are the real winners 😂
 
Bigdave0924 said:
Ford vs Chevy
Samsung vs LG
DEWALT vs Milwaukee
Snap on vs Mac

Choices in life are good.
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Is there such a thing as brand loyalty anymore? Everything has problems.
 
So I used to dislike glock. They never fit my hands right. The generations with finger grooves really didn't work for me. There were a few times when I would shoot friends glocks and after two or three mags certain parts of my hand would be hurting. I always shot them well though. I would pick up a friend's glock and drill the hell out of the target then put it down and complain about my hand. Shooting my friends first generation g17 was always a little better.

It was always hard for me to ignore how much better I shot those glocks then some of the guns I owned at the time.

Now that they have gone back to frames without finger grooves I have switched over to glock. My handgun shooting has improved. Honestly when I pick them up they still don't feel super comfortable but I am more confident shooting the glocks I own then I was shooting the others I sold and replaced.

I don't really get into the whole brand warrior thing. Buy what you like. Enjoy it. I like guns. Big ones, small ones, shitty ones, fancy ones...

I would like to try out the 365xl but I think it would take a lot to get me to convert.
 
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