Chip shortage makes Car shortage

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The shortage forced Ford to shut a sport-utility vehicle factory in Kentucky this week, and it is closing a small-car plant in Germany for a month. Fiat Chrysler has had to temporarily stop output at plants in Mexico and Canada. More production is expected to be idled in the coming weeks.

 
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from what i understand, the manufacturers cut back orders due to the virus.
so...the chip makers retooled to make higher-price, better-margin chips.
now, the chip makers are swamped with new orders and "ain't going back".
if the car companies want to pay the going rate for chips, they might get some.
 
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Globalization is such a horrible idea. This will impact every auto maker around the world, this isn't just a US/China thing. The morons that shut down the global supply chain think they can just turn it back on without any issues. Those morons have caused, are causing and will cause a lot of issues for the next year and that's only if they leave it alone.
 
I am grateful I have mechanical fuel injection controls.

Cruise control and windows have circuit boards in early Ram trucks. Not sure what else.they
 
Its not just computer chips that have caused a slow down.. The entire auto industry has been effected due to the Covid since last spring. The auto repair part of the industry is considered to be Essential businesses so we all stayed open, but the manufactures that make the replacement parts closed down. This means, we are running out of parts. Ive got many new Jeep Wranglers that have steering stabilizers needing replacement and have been for the past 30- 45 days and are riding around in rental cars. Your talking thousands of dollars in rental car bills on a $40 part. Our new car dept lost the keys to a brand new Ram, estimated ship ment of a replacement key is sometime in March. These are just two examples, I have many more.. You think the Auto manufactures are going to take these losses laying down? Heck no, they just jack up the price of the next year new cars to recover the loss and increase the shareholders investment.
 
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hp468 said:
Yea, up until this point I had been eyeballing a Sniper EFI for a 360 amc and a SBC we have... maybe not...
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Do it. Heard great things about the Sniper systems.

I’m putting a Ford-based EFI system on the 331 in my ‘69 Mustang and will tune w a laptop until I can get it tuned on a chassis dyno.

Nate
 
Lager said:
Heck no, they just jack up the price of the next year new cars to recover the loss and increase the shareholders investment.
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And watch the demand go down as the price goes up. Granted, some people will need to be in the market for a new car. I, for example, am currently driving a 13 year old car with over 325,000 miles for my daily commute. The shifter linkage broke recently, but it was a cheap repair. Had it been several hundred or even thousands - forget it.
 
Many of the semi companies sold off their fabs in the USA decades ago. Just like prescription meds, USA has to rely on imports for semiconductors and associated components. Virtually all printed circuit boards are made in China as well.
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
GM at the local Ford dealership told us this last Wednesday. I told him...Ford should be making them HERE.

This only proves...China can shut us down anytime they decide to. The Number 1 selling vehicle in the world is F-150. The Chinese just showed their power with this chip move.

More to come.
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We rely on China for strategic raw materials needed for war-fighting. How crazy is that? Western defense industries use circuit boards that China appears to have compromised. Some western industries use Chinese chips not knowing that they are sourced there. China is undoubtedly inside our command and control loop and we have no idea where or how deeply they are dug into our systems both civilian and military.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...ny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/america’s-strategic-materials-problem-179144

https://news.yahoo.com/growing-threat-china-113042946.html
 
turkeydance said:
from what i understand, the manufacturers cut back orders due to the virus.
so...the chip makers retooled to make higher-price, better-margin chips.
now, the chip makers are swamped with new orders and "ain't going back".
if the car companies want to pay the going rate for chips, they might get some.
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Indeed. Even new cars are not using the latest chip sets, in part due to the more stringent TS standards that add time and expense to qualification. My 2012 Veloster head unit was still based in Windows CE.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
Know what this sounds like?

This sounds like a startup business opportunity here in the States.

People need to get hot on this.
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Certainly not a start up! After retiring I worked for an electronics manufacturer/board manufacturer named Cherry Electrical that had several plants near Kenosha WI. Made lots of boards for HD, GM and several others.

Typical large family owned company. When the old man died the oldest son sold lots of pic and place machines and moved EVERYTHING to China and Juarez.
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
This only proves...China can shut us down anytime they decide to. The Number 1 selling vehicle in the world is F-150. The Chinese just showed their power with this chip move.
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Like I've been saying, why does everybody think we're going to get in a shooting war with China when they already own us?
 
Diablos said:
OMG!!!! has CARB approved of this???
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It said they paid for it with 'credits' from previous years. Somehow that makes me think that they just have to pay some money to some .gov agency and poof, they get more pollution waivers.

I'm fairly anti-gov, but pollution / environmental issues are something the .gov really should be in the way of. You do your thing and I do mine doesn't work out so well when one of our things is dumping toxins into the air/water/whatever and ruining shared resources for all.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
Know what this sounds like?

This sounds like a startup business opportunity here in the States.

People need to get hot on this.
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Not for an actual chip fab. Those things are big money, subsidized by the countries that run them. I had a friend that did environmental crapola for Intel at their 'experimental' fab in the bay area. Just keeping that thing EPA compliant was crazy hard and expensive. It's better to run them in shithole countries where they can just dump their waste into the rivers and kill off random segments of their population. I mean, what, are we supposed to pay more for our iphones and random electronic junk in cars??
 
update (just as posted above):
The chip shortage, which has hit automakers globally, stems from a confluence of factors.
Carmakers shut North American plants for two months during the COVID-19 pandemic last year and canceled chip orders.
Meanwhile, demand for chips surged from the consumer electronics industry as people worked from home and played video games. Now carmakers must compete for chips.

www.reuters.com

Stellantis pickups hit, Ford cuts production due to global chip shortage

The impact of the global semiconductor shortage on the auto industry spread on Saturday, as Stellantis warned its highly profitable pickup trucks were hit, while Ford Motor Co said it would cut more U.S. production.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com
 
update:
www.caixinglobal.com

In Short Supply and Hot Demand, Chip Prices Could Keep Rising All Year - Caixin Global

A rash of suppliers raised prices this month, as short supply, hot demand more expensive inputs ratchet up pressure
www.caixinglobal.com

because of a paywall; quote:
Apple said recently that its new high end iPhones were on hold due to a shortage of components.
NXP Semiconductors has also warned that the problems are no longer just confined to the auto industry.
 
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The trouble for the chip industry -- and increasingly companies beyond tech, like automakers
-- is that there aren’t enough display drivers to go around. Firms that make them can’t keep up with surging demand so prices are spiking.
That’s contributing to short supplies and increasing costs for liquid crystal display panels, essential components for making televisions and laptops, as well as cars, airplanes and high-end refrigerators.

“It’s not like you can just make do. If you have everything else, but you don’t have a display driver, then you can’t build your product,” says Stacy Rasgon, who covers the semiconductor industry for Sanford C. Bernstein.
 
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Ben Jefferson said:
Certainly not a start up! After retiring I worked for an electronics manufacturer/board manufacturer named Cherry Electrical that had several plants near Kenosha WI. Made lots of boards for HD, GM and several others.

Typical large family owned company. When the old man died the oldest son sold lots of pic and place machines and moved EVERYTHING to China and Juarez.
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Small world. I work for ZF, who bought a piece of the Cherry pie.
 
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We been slow at work. We have a few lines that supply Ford and for the last 2 days it’s been dark on that side of the plant. Hopefully start full Monday.

ran a trial on the new bronco Warthog ( like a raptor but for bronco ) we make a few parts for the regular bronco and f-150’s 250/350’s as well
 
no chip needed



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