Budget Nightvision

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I'm looking at a few options for night vision. I understand these are cheap budget options so please no "save your money and get something better." I need something quick and cheap under $150. Eventually I will upgrade. I'm looking at two options on Amazon. If you know of anything else in that price range let me know.

Here are the two I'm considering.

Firefield Nightfall Night Vision Monocular​


Nightfox 100V Widescreen Digital Night Vision Infrared Binocular with Zoom 3x20​


Any advice is appreciated. Thanks!
 
I have no experience, but it might be helpful to know what your needs are. Are you looking to find critters in the dark, or are you wanting something 1x to mount on a helmet for when things go bump in the night?
 
These are a little more expensive but reach out to about 1300 feet.

I should be getting mine today. I'll check back when I've played around with them.


I found a thread on these on another forum recently that had generally glowing reviews. I forget exactly where I found it but a bit of googling would find it.

jimmyheadgear, eager to hear your impression.
 
Yes i have advice, buy a big illuminator to go along with it. Apex defense group did a NV class a few months ago, I attended because i want to buy some NV. We had the full gamut of stuff. The Gen 1 NV is pretty bad at illuminating with just ambient light, BUT if you flood the area with IR is makes them much better. So buy a IR flood light of some kind to go with it. Whatever you can afford.
 
Yes i have advice, buy a big illuminator to go along with it. Apex defense group did a NV class a few months ago, I attended because i want to buy some NV. We had the full gamut of stuff. The Gen 1 NV is pretty bad at illuminating with just ambient light, BUT if you flood the area with IR is makes them much better. So buy a IR flood light of some kind to go with it. Whatever you can afford.

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Tried out the GlassOwl last night. It was a pretty clear night and I was able to see far off into the back of my yard. The images were pretty clear also. I used the IR on the second of three settings. I was able to see my cat running around in the darkness.
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I'm not sure if it's me or the bino's but they have a very narrow field of view. I wasn't able to easily walk around with them in the dark.
Another downside for me was my order looked like it had been opened and returned before. The bino's were not wrapped and there's a slight scratch on the top of the case. The User Manual, USB cable, audio cable and cleaning sheet were all missing.
I've notified Customer Service.
I'll let you know how they respond.
 
Just a minor question here......... If something is shooting back at you do you really want an IR beacon giving them a target. Asking for a friend.

Just asking because I don't know, but wouldn't a bright IR illuminator effectively blind whoever it's pointed at? I know my IR capable security cameras "white out" when pointing at a strong IR source.
 
Just a minor question here......... If something is shooting back at you do you really want an IR beacon giving them a target. Asking for a friend.
I think if someone is shooting at you night vision wouldn't be necessary because they've already given away their location.

I get what you're saying though. Could be the other way around with the ir light.

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Yes i have advice, buy a big illuminator to go along with it. Apex defense group did a NV class a few months ago, I attended because i want to buy some NV. We had the full gamut of stuff. The Gen 1 NV is pretty bad at illuminating with just ambient light, BUT if you flood the area with IR is makes them much better. So buy a IR flood light of some kind to go with it. Whatever you can afford.
It depends on what you’re doing with it. If you’re using it to night hunt, then yes. If you’re using it to train for night operations or SHTF stuff then no. The rule of thumb is, if you can see it, an opponent with NVGs can see you.
 
I picked up one of these a couple weeks ago, along with a super sweet IR/Visible laser designator direct from Russia. So, far I think it's pretty darn effective.

It's not in the OP's budget, but it's still a 'budget' device relatively speaking.

 
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I picked up one of these a couple weeks ago, along with a super sweet IR/Visible laser designator direct from Russia. So, far I think it's pretty darn effective.

It's not in the OP's budget, but it's still a 'budget' device relatively speaking.


The Sionyx Auroras are swanky ... and they can be readily tuned to make for passable night vision optics. Digital NV has really come a long way and, in a few years, I suspect the processing will be quick enough to eliminate the lag/blur associated with the processing time of digital NV. That's one key advantage traditional image enhancement tubes still have ... no delay; the other two are battery life and weight -- since the processors in digital NV gear are power hungry and to feed that hunger for the same duration as tubes, one needs batteries, which add weight.

I'm curious which Russian designator you picked up, from where, and what it ran you. I've heard/read great things about Perst3's but haven't even begun to consider costing them or trying to find reputable sellers. If you'd drop me a private message on the topic I'd be very appreciative.
 
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I picked up one of these a couple weeks ago, along with a super sweet IR/Visible laser designator direct from Russia. So, far I think it's pretty darn effective.

It's not in the OP's budget, but it's still a 'budget' device relatively speaking.

Have you used a pvs14 to compare it to? Ive seen reviews with guys saying they don’t really compare if there is no ambient light.

The captain I mate for has one (sionyx) ordered for the boat so we’ll get to see how the marine version performs. He was in a pretty bad car wreck last week so it’ll probably be a few weeks before we get back out.
 
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I'm curious which Russian designator you picked up, from where, and what it ran you. I've heard/read great things about Perst3's but haven't even begun to consider costing them or trying to find reputable sellers. If you'd drop me a private message on the topic I'd be very appreciative.

I bought the Perst4 gen 3 direct from Ivan. By some miracle it was about a week from Moscow to my door. I don't want to hijack the thread, but this thing is awesome

 
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Have you used a pvs14 to compare it to? Ive seen reviews with guys saying they don’t really compare if there is no ambient light.

Not directly side-by-side, but I have played with PVS-14s recently. One of our illustrious members let me borrow a set of PVS for a recent Run n Gun. They are definitely superior to the digital. Better field of view, better eye box, somewhat better clarity. That said, at 1/4 the price, the digital setup will work just fine for my needs.
 
Let's say things go to complete crap and we've got a SHTF situation. You and your buddies decide that there is safety in numbers and you all shack up on a piece of property you think you might be able to raise a hill of beans on. If you can managed to harvest them, that is.

For that purpose, having several of those $400 Sionyx cameras would be pretty awesome. If you've got some sentries keeping watch, you'll at least have the ability to see the "mutant zombie bikers" coming for you. There's usually some kind of ambient light so the Sionyx should work pretty well.

You can mount them to a helmet and it would be nice to be hand free so you can keep your hands warm in your pockets and still keep an eye out. They also allow you to see in color, unlike the PVS-14s. Don't get me wrong, the PVS-14 is excellent and the better choice. But for $400 it is hard to go wrong with a Sionyx if you've got nothing else.
 
Another factor to consider, once the shooting starts, if you are not running a can, you very may well be blinded by your own muzzle flash for a while.
Our operators own the night because they can identify a hostile threat, make a killing shot, without giving away their own position.
Otherwise, cheaper NVGs are great for finding your way and surveiling a target.
Skills you also must train to do well.
Frank
 
In my limited experience Gen 1 scopes without illumination are not much (if any) better than your mark1 eyeball once adjusted to the darkness. They will certainly destroy your natural night vision for several minutes however. You are going to have to spend 4 figures to get above that category.

I've always wished Vortex or some other quality optic manufacturer would make a low mag (1-2x) large objective scope or monocular. Something like a 60mm objective. I expect that would perform at least as well if not better than any Gen 1 unit. Heavy maybe, but no batteries and wouldn't affect your natural vision.
 
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Another factor to consider, once the shooting starts, if you are not running a can, you very may well be blinded by your own muzzle flash for a while.
Our operators own the night because they can identify a hostile threat, make a killing shot, without giving away their own position.
Otherwise, cheaper NVGs are great for finding your way and surveiling a target.
Skills you also must train to do well.
Frank

If you had duals with autogating would that still happen?
 
Just a minor question here......... If something is shooting back at you do you really want an IR beacon giving them a target. Asking for a friend.

Its a big assumption that most people have NVG's...of any type. So you can add a scenario where you are fighting Russian ninjas with the best gear, but chances are you are up against something much less sophisticated... We all can agree if you are fighting well funded enemies you would want to be as well funded as them, hmm?
 
The Sionyx Auroras are swanky ... and they can be readily tuned to make for passable night vision optics. Digital NV has really come a long way and, in a few years, I suspect the processing will be quick enough to eliminate the lag/blur associated with the processing time of digital NV. That's one key advantage traditional image enhancement tubes still have ... no delay; the other two are battery life and weight -- since the processors in digital NV gear are power hungry and to feed that hunger for the same duration as tubes, one needs batteries, which add weight.

I'm curious which Russian designator you picked up, from where, and what it ran you. I've heard/read great things about Perst3's but haven't even begun to consider costing them or trying to find reputable sellers. If you'd drop me a private message on the topic I'd be very appreciative.

I have been thinking of getting one of these to play with. I agree, digital NVG are the future and much cheaper.
 
I have been thinking of getting one of these to play with. I agree, digital NVG are the future and much cheaper.

I like mine so far, but that's just playing in the yard. It picks up the IR laser very well and is very clear with a good IR illuminator.

I have not yet figured out a head mount for it.
 
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I like mine so far, but that's just playing in the yard. It picks up the IR laser very well and is very clear with a good IR illuminator.

I have not yet figured out a head mount for it.
Which model did you get? I may have missed that. Their web site shows a head mounted option. Videos show a guy with a IR laser and a helmet mounted hitting targets while moving.

I have been researching NV off and on for a long time. The current Gucci NVG's are old tech constantly improved but mostly sold to military - which means suppressed improvement and hugely over priced.. Once it goes digital there will be rapid improvement. 10 years from now we may have it as an option for a hud in your car. In the 90's this was Top-O-The_Line in mobile communication.
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The newest batch of nv tech, the Enhanced Night Vision Goggle-Binocular (ENVG-B) that is currently in use with majority of the active military is NOT available in the civilian market...our government has restricted its sale to military, law enforcement, and excepted public "safety" entities. The ENVG-B fuzes WP with a thermal overlay and can wireless link to other nv hardware, such as the new thermal weapons optic so the soldier has the rifles sight picture his goggle.

I have been using night vision devices since 1984...Some of you know where I work now...and you can listen or ignore, no difference to me, but there has been a lot of tech recently that is being restricted to gov/leo use only, and your going to see even more of it that way, or a civilian version that is "dumbed" down, like they did with IALs...its not just going to be a shitz and giggle moniker on a pony rifle lower that doesn't carry any weight anymore.


Wills is my shopping recommendation for NVDs.

 
The newest batch of nv tech, the Enhanced Night Vision Goggle-Binocular (ENVG-B) that is currently in use with majority of the active military is NOT available in the civilian market...our government has restricted its sale to military, law enforcement, and excepted public "safety" entities. The ENVG-B fuzes WP with a thermal overlay and can wireless link to other nv hardware, such as the new thermal weapons optic so the soldier has the rifles sight picture his goggle.

I have been using night vision devices since 1984...Some of you know where I work now...and you can listen or ignore, no difference to me, but there has been a lot of tech recently that is being restricted to gov/leo use only, and your going to see even more of it that way, or a civilian version that is "dumbed" down, like they did with IALs...its not just going to be a shitz and giggle moniker on a pony rifle lower that doesn't carry any weight anymore.


Wills is my shopping recommendation for NVDs.


True. What is available to military and law enforcement only doesn't really impact the OP or most of us for that matter. But that is that is cool you have access to super uber stuff secret squirrel stuff.


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True. What is available to military and law enforcement only doesn't really impact the OP or most of us for that matter. But that is that is cool you have access to super uber stuff secret squirrel stuff.


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I wish they would still let me play with all the new "toys"...
 
The newest batch of nv tech, the Enhanced Night Vision Goggle-Binocular (ENVG-B) that is currently in use with majority of the active military is NOT available in the civilian market...our government has restricted its sale to military, law enforcement, and excepted public "safety" entities. The ENVG-B fuzes WP with a thermal overlay and can wireless link to other nv hardware, such as the new thermal weapons optic so the soldier has the rifles sight picture his goggle.

Sexy. More than I need, for sure, but respect shall be paid. Binos plus clip-on thermal would get us civvies quite close, I suspect -- but wow that's spendy. (Way too rich for me ... and like I said, overkill for what I need.)
 
Another factor to consider, once the shooting starts, if you are not running a can, you very may well be blinded by your own muzzle flash for a while.
Our operators own the night because they can identify a hostile threat, make a killing shot, without giving away their own position.
Otherwise, cheaper NVGs are great for finding your way and surveiling a target.
Skills you also must train to do well.
Frank
If I may add, or if you do not have a true flash hider.

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Getting us back to budget night vision (as opposed to thermal and binos and cans and the like), I really wish Gen 2 night vision devices had come down to reasonable prices, but that never really happened. That's rather insane, really, considering Gen 2 image intensification technology has been around since, what, the mid-70's?? That was .... wait for it ... 45ish years ago.

So let's get some context as to what 45ish years SHOULD do to technology and prices. In 1977, Tandy Corp.'s TRS-80 was launched at a price of $600 (equivalent to $2500 in 2020). It came with a 1.77Mhz 8-bit 8088 processsor, 4k DRAM, a casette tape drive, and a 12" (64 X 16) monochrome monitor. It was, at the time, the best of breed personal computer at its price point, with the Apple II costing more than twice what the Tandy did ... while having SLOWER/worse specs.

These days, the average $20 child's toy with a chip of some sort in it has more computing power and storage on board ... and a $24 burner Android phone has many times the computing power of all of the redundant systems of all of the US space shuttles of the 1970's and 1980's ... combined.

So ... that's the power/potential/capability increase and cost reduction we should reasonably expect for things of a technological nature across 45ish years, right? Enter the AN/PVS-4 of the 1970's. Contracted in 1976 and deployed in 1978, the very first and most expensive of them that were acquired by the DoD (in the fiscal year 1976, interestingly) cost $4,051.57 (equivalent to $18,429 in 2020) each -- per a DoD appropriations document I dug up stating that 543 were acquired in fiscal year 1976 toward an overall inventory objective of 1669 at a cost of $2.2M. (Fascinating. Here's the source, if interested in cross-checking...)

So, umm, Gen 2 tubes certainly got better, sure. But they didn't get THAT much better across 45 years when we compare to other tech improvements. I get it, tube tech hasn't changed much since inception, we've made incremental improvements, only. But the cost is the kicker ... it's stayed high despite our production techniques improving and, thus, production costs theoretically going down.

I'M baffled why Gen 2 tubes aren't $300-$400. We've been making tubes for so long now we've got to be pretty friggen efficient at it, technologically speaking. And the PVS-14 housing's been around for ages, so at this phase it's readily mass-produced. My only thought is that the prices remain artificially high because the tube manufacturers have limited production capacity and simply can't or won't mass produce because spooling up new facilities to make tubes is spendy and they're milking the life out the investments in the facilities they already have...
 
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Getting us back to budget night vision (as opposed to thermal and binos and cans and the like), I really wish Gen 2 night vision devices had come down to reasonable prices, but that never really happened. That's rather insane, really, considering Gen 2 image intensification technology has been around since, what, the mid-70's?? That was .... wait for it ... 45ish years ago.

So let's get some context as to what 45ish years SHOULD do to technology and prices. In 1977, Tandy Corp.'s TRS-80 was launched at a price of $600 (equivalent to $2500 in 2020). It came with a 1.77Mhz 8-bit 8088 processsor, 4k DRAM, a casette tape drive, and a 12" (64 X 16) monochrome monitor. It was, at the time, the best of breed personal computer at its price point, with the Apple II costing more than twice what the Tandy did ... while having SLOWER/worse specs.

These days, the average $20 child's toy with a chip of some sort in it has more computing power and storage on board ... and a $24 burner Android phone has many times the computing power of all of the redundant systems of all of the US space shuttles of the 1970's and 1980's ... combined.

I agree, I was trying to make that point above -poorly it seems... I think the reason why it has remained high is normal folks thought it was just for military and SWAT teams. The manufacturers didn't see the consumer market as something to cater to, also because they didn't want to impact their cash cow the DoD. If more units are sold price tends to go down. They were fat an happy and selling slight improvements on very old tech. That is where Syonix may come in and beat them. This first iteration is useable but imagine Syonix yearly upgrade cycle similar to phones. In ten years it could be comparable to Gen3.
 
I'M baffled why Gen 2 tubes aren't $300-$400. We've been making tubes for so long now we've got to be pretty friggen efficient at it, technologically speaking. And the PVS-14 housing's been around for ages, so at this phase it's readily mass-produced. My only thought is that the prices remain artificially high because the tube manufacturers have limited production capacity and simply can't or won't mass produce because spooling up new facilities to make tubes is spendy and they're milking the life out the investments in the facilities they already have...
Because their main market is government. Government money is special.
If Govt doesn't want you having what they have when they have it, manufacturers are stuck running their entire business on what the govt pays them. They can dumb down a version for us plebs, but then they're running a separate production line for a very small market, and excess production is lost money. reduced supply means prices don't need to drop.
sionics is a bit of a disruptor, and that's cool. there is getting to be more of a market beyond surplus shop guys that think anything the govt didn't order is crap, so they can do stuff.
 
These are a little more expensive but reach out to about 1300 feet.

I should be getting mine today. I'll check back when I've played around with them.
I sent them back for a refund. The main reason was the field of view. Way too small. They were also pretty klunky to operate. I had to press the shutter button so hard it usually made the binos move which then made the picture blurry.
The Sionyx is way better, but you will pay 4 times more for it.
 
Phosphor tubes are kinda outdated. We are rapidly approaching the point where a headworn or weapon mounted hybrid thermal-optical system will be available to consumers. Companies like Flir and Sionyx have realized they can make a lot more money on the commercial market then selling to only .mil and .gov.

I'm willing to bet there are more thermal imaging devies used in Agriculture than the military.
 
Please do. My fathers been looking at getting one and has doubts.

I created a new thread with a couple videos

 
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