what you can do in 3 min of dryfire

wvsig said:
It's Slap your momma good....

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Thanks!!!!! Ain't that something'? Best I can tell, he has figured out that the time it takes for his finger to travel to the trigger guard and get back is the time it takes for him to recover his sight picture...kinda like a rhythm technique....
 
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wvsig said:
It's Slap your momma good....

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4 mechanical "actions" of a 2 stage trigger on a SA in order to fire each round.



#1 - Prep
Whether you ride the trigger, or slap the trigger, you still have to PREP the trigger. ( hit the back wall )

#2 - Pin to Rear (Press trigger thru second stage to release sear )

#3 - Reset ( Irregardless of what your trigger finger is doing, the trigger resets )

#4 - Prep ( Same as #1 )
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
Thanks!!!!! Ain't that something'? Best I can tell, he has figured out that the time it takes for his finger to travel to the trigger guard and get back is the time it takes for him to recover his sight picture...kinda like a rhythm technique....
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Sees sights lift...

AND RETURN...
 
Hashknife said:
4 mechanical "actions" of a 2 stage trigger on a SA in order to fire each round.



#1 - Prep
Whether you ride the trigger, or slap the trigger, you still have to PREP the trigger. ( hit the back wall )

#2 - Pin to Rear (Press trigger thru second stage to release sear )

#3 - Reset ( Irregardless of what your trigger finger is doing, the trigger resets )

#4 - Prep ( Same as #1 )
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I would not call what Bill is doing to that trigger "prepping". You can but in my book he is slapping it to the rear combining your #1 and #2 into a single combined motion. Some call it a controlled slap but what do I know I am just a duffer with nice clubs.
 
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wvsig said:
I would not call what Bill is doing to that trigger "prepping". You can but in my book he is slapping it to the rear combining your #1 and #2 into a single combined motion. Some call it a controlled slap but what do I know I am just a duffer with nice clubs.
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I'll go along with that.

"Single combined" = 2 motions combined into 1

(1 + 1) + 1 +1 = 4 šŸ˜
 
Murtaugh said:
Leatham "slaps" the trigger as well. As long as you can adequately hold the sights on target, it doesn't matter how you press/pull/slap/jerk the trigger. I personally find riding the reset to be an unnecessary distraction.
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Having a perfectly tuned trigger like Bill and Rob have also helps. šŸ¤£
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
This is a fairly recent phenomenon...nobody I knew 20 years ago was preaching this as an advantage. So Fairly recent. I hope all today will go to YT and watch a video anywhere of Bill Wilson shooting....Interesting....there are others also that have been Extremely good shooters that shoot like Bill....notice that his finger comes Completely off the trigger and Touches the trigger guard. I'm somewhere in between...while my finger doesn't come Off the trigger neither do I Ride The Reset.....There are Many different ways to get to where you want to get to in shooting...Helllll, try them All.....something might help....FIRST you have to SHOOT!
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Agree. I believe that there are different requirements for different shots. Sometimes slapping is all it needs. Sometimes it needs to be prepped, etc. Depends on the target, the distance, and the time. IMO, one should endeavor to learn them all.
I personally donā€™t use one type of pull for everything.
 
Murtaugh said:
Leatham "slaps" the trigger as well. As long as you can adequately hold the sights on target, it doesn't matter how you press/pull/slap/jerk the trigger. I personally find riding the reset to be an unnecessary distraction.
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Actually he doesnā€™t always slap the trigger on every shot.
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
This is a fairly recent phenomenon...nobody I knew 20 years ago was preaching this as an advantage. So Fairly recent. I hope all today will go to YT and watch a video anywhere of Bill Wilson shooting....Interesting....there are others also that have been Extremely good shooters that shoot like Bill....notice that his finger comes Completely off the trigger and Touches the trigger guard. I'm somewhere in between...while my finger doesn't come Off the trigger neither do I Ride The Reset.....There are Many different ways to get to where you want to get to in shooting...Helllll, try them All.....something might help....FIRST you have to SHOOT!
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Also, like to point out that I wasnā€™t preaching any kind of advantage, lol.
But I have to say: canā€™t see any advantage to your finger coming to the trigger guard for a 30 yard controlled pair on a 4ā€ target. But to each their own.
Was just pointing out that if you choose to use a sub 2lb SA trigger and donā€™t feel like slapping it is the way to go, then a DA revolver may not be the best choice for practice.
Bill or Rob can do what they like. There are many champions who do not do that.
 
NKD said:
Agree. I believe that there are different requirements for different shots. Sometimes slapping is all it needs. Sometimes it needs to be prepped, etc. Depends on the target, the distance, and the time. IMO, one should endeavor to learn them all.
I personally donā€™t use one type of pull for everything.
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Good point! I think the question should be asked what are you training for?
 
wvsig said:
Good point! I think the question should be asked what are you training for?
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Personally, I train for what the gun is capable of. So anything from fast multiple shots at muzzle range to accurate shots to 100 yards for a 5ish inch standard pistol. And everything in between ideally.

Gun is probably capable of much more, but maybe someday Iā€™ll stretch that out. Most of what I do is going to be inside 20 yards. But I still endeavor to shoot further, faster, and more accurate no matter what I am doing or expecting to do. Just my opinion. People should do what they think is best.

None of my opinions are things I woke up with one day. They come from champions that I am lucky enough to learn from. This area is a shooting Mecca and there is shooting greatness all over. Im not one of them. But I do try to learn from them.
 
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Actually he doesnā€™t always slap the trigger on every shot.
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Obviously there are no 100% absolutes. With few exceptions, when he is shooting "fast" he claims to fully release the trigger, has a strong distaste for riding the reset, calls pinning and reset terribly inefficient, and is skeptical whether people can actually hear/feel any clicking if they are shooting fast enough.

Out of his own mouth:
 
Murtaugh said:
Obviously there are no 100% absolutes. With few exceptions, when he is shooting "fast" he claims to fully release the trigger, has a strong distaste for riding the reset, calls pinning and reset terribly inefficient, and is skeptical whether people can actually hear/feel any clicking if they are shooting fast enough.

Out of his own mouth:
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Exactly, there are exceptions. The discussion above is for fast close shots almost entirely.
You don't shoot everything "fast". You shoot them as fast as you can. He himself makes this clear in the video. "When he is shooting fast". He then says he would only hear the reset "in slow fire mode". Which means he does use different pulls. At 29:00 he is talking about coming back "to the wall and stopping" for long accurate targets. That is not slapping every shot. That is slowing, prepping the trigger while aligning the gun, then breaking the shot. Two different pulls there. Makes it very clear from what I am seeing.

If one trigger pull on everything every time works for you I would encourage you to do it that way.
 
NKD said:
Exactly, there are exceptions. The discussion above is for fast close shots almost entirely.
You don't shoot everything "fast". You shoot them as fast as you can. He himself makes this clear in the video. "When he is shooting fast". He then says he would only hear the reset "in slow fire mode". Which means he does use different pulls. At 29:00 he is talking about coming back "to the wall and stopping" for long accurate targets. That is not slapping every shot. That is slowing, prepping the trigger while aligning the gun, then breaking the shot. Two different pulls there. Makes it very clear from what I am seeing.

If one trigger pull on everything every time works for you I would encourage you to do it that way.
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"Fast vs fast as you can" = pedantic. The thread was about BatteryOaksBilly style drills which typically are oriented towards fast and somewhat close defense which coincidentally has a lot of overlap with IDPA/USPSA competition....hence the video.

I never said he slaps "every shot" in all circumstances in life (you are conjuring up arguments), but he is a known/admitted trigger slapper in competition which is the vast majority of his shooting. Call the not-riding-the-reset technique whatever you want (he usually calls it slapping/jerking) but that is the one he advocates.

29:40 "It doesn't really matter how fast you shoot, you should never hear the click"

He said if you hear the click then it would/should only be in slow fire...he wasn't claiming to do a lot of slow fire. He doesn't go into detail on how he manipulates the trigger when he might happen to be hunting mule deer out west so that might be one of those exceptions. Apparently 25 yd head shots are not one of those exceptions:

10:24 "When I am shooting a gun at 3-4 yards away I don't care if I pull the gun down an 8th of an inch...but when I am trying to make a head shot at 25 yds I don't care about the recoil control because I am worried about the precision of that shot....I still pull the trigger almost always the same...I just deactivate the recoil control..."

If you interpret the video differently, or if you need a completely separate technique for 25 yd shots, or if what you are doing makes you and your sponsors/employer happy that is awesome...has no effect on me. I was sharing Rob's opinion...I am not familiar with your resume, championship record, or your interviews on youtube.
 
Murtaugh said:
"Fast vs fast as you can" = pedantic. The thread was about BatteryOaksBilly style drills which typically are oriented towards fast and somewhat close defense which coincidentally has a lot of overlap with IDPA/USPSA competition....hence the video.

I never said he slaps "every shot" in all circumstances in life (you are conjuring up arguments), but he is a known/admitted trigger slapper in competition which is the vast majority of his shooting. Call the not-riding-the-reset technique whatever you want (he usually calls it slapping/jerking) but that is the one he advocates.

29:40 "It doesn't really matter how fast you shoot, you should never hear the click"

He said if you hear the click then it would/should only be in slow fire...he wasn't claiming to do a lot of slow fire. He doesn't go into detail on how he manipulates the trigger when he might happen to be hunting mule deer out west so that might be one of those exceptions. Apparently 25 yd head shots are not one of those exceptions:

10:24 "When I am shooting a gun at 3-4 yards away I don't care if I pull the gun down an 8th of an inch...but when I am trying to make a head shot at 25 yds I don't care about the recoil control because I am worried about the precision of that shot....I still pull the trigger almost always the same...I just deactivate the recoil control..."

If you interpret the video differently, or if you need a completely separate technique for 25 yd shots, or if what you are doing makes you and your sponsors/employer happy that is awesome...has no effect on me. I was sharing Rob's opinion...I am not familiar with your resume, championship record, or your interviews on youtube.
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Youā€™re really quite invested in this. I am sorry I made you mad. Do it your way.

I have no championships, youtube interviews or shooting resume to speak of. Didnā€™t claim to. Post yours up and educate us all.
I am ready to learn.
 
Why do positive constructive posts about training and training methods always devolve into a pissing match?

PS did 3 minutes today out of a Jm Kydex holster with a LTT Beretta Centurion. Work on the draw and presentation on multiple targets from different angles. I often find too much of my training and live shooting is done directly in front of the target due to range restrictions. Now that I have access to a range with a little more freedom of movement I am looking to improve that part of my shooting. To me training should be goal focused. My goals are not necessarily your goal so my training will not necessarily translate to your training.

I am personally working on self defense pistol work. I am working at 25 yards and in. 80% of the work is done under 15 yards. 90% of that is done under 10 yards. That is what I consider my threat engagement range. So that is where I work. I am looking to be fast enough and accurate enough to survive a gunfight if I am ever boxed into having to engage in one. I am not concerned about shooting dimes at 50 yards so I don't train for that. If I need to shoot someone at 50+ yards I am using a rifle. YMMV
 
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wvsig said:
Why do positive constructive posts about training and training methods always devolve into a pissing match?
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Because someone posts their opinion, which is constructive and about training with a pistol. Then:

Others canā€™t just post their own. Instead, they have to name drop top pro and cherry pick a video from YouTube in order to ā€œdebunkā€ that opinion.

Then, whomever posted their opinion then has to spend three pages defending against things they didnā€™t say. Thatā€™s why.
 
NKD said:
Because someone posts their opinion, which is constructive and about training with a pistol. Then:

Others canā€™t just post their own. Instead, they have to name drop top pro and cherry pick a video from YouTube in order to ā€œdebunkā€ that opinion.

Then, whomever posted their opinion then has to spend three pages defending against things they didnā€™t say. Thatā€™s why.
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How is posting a comment that Leatham trigger slaps similar to Wilson in response to the Wilson video "cherry picking" or debunking anything? Maybe you are just overly sensitive. I didn't even know I contradicted you until I went backwards and looked after you were triggered. If you didn't argue with me in absolutes I would have never posted the video.

And yes, it does get old spending 3 pages saying I never said "Leatham 100% slaps the trigger in all situations" even when in the video and numerous others he himself says he almost always slaps/jerks/pulls the trigger the same way.
 
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@Murtaugh and @NKD How many draws, presentations, dry firing reps did you do between your back and forth about Slapping Rob?
 
wvsig said:
Why do positive constructive posts about training and training methods always devolve into a pissing match?
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Because @NKD is a shit poster and trouble maker. If he wasn't helping me be a better disk golfer I would totally block the guy.

There are people that do, and people that talk about doing. Those that do are trying to figure out how to get better at whatever it is they're doing (matches, defensive stuff, etc) and want info and people to talk to about that info. Working with others is a way to stay motivated at these grunt tasks. Those that talk about it want to 'win' by producing evidence that shows they know what they're talking about without having to do it.

The more you do, the more you realize you don't know anything, your world keeps expanding.

What's silly about the whole shooting thing is that we have world class talent right here in RTP. For nominal money you can go spend 1-on-1 time with an actual pro shooter who can shoot circles around you AND show you what you could do to try to get better. You take his totally over the top routine, distill it down to what you have realistic time to accomplish and then get to it. I showed up with a stock gun, steel case ammo, a $10 holster and at no time did he say "you should buy XYZ", he was all about getting knowledge and skills into my head and then I could figure out if the gear was slowing me down for my use case.
 
NKD said:
But I still endeavor to shoot further, faster, and more accurate no matter what I am doing or expecting to do. Just my opinion.
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You ARE doing the First thing that is required....SHOOTING......that alone puts you in a very small circle of shooters.....I get to shoot Every Day.....It is Not a sport to me...It is Not a Hobby to me....it's what I do. Again, 99% won't give shooting 3 minutes a day....they Can't be serious....it Does Not require shooting to get Better.....Just my opinion.
 
Jayne said:
you can go spend 1-on-1 time with an actual pro shooter who can shoot circles around you AND show you what you could do to try to get better.
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What I figured out about these instructors is that what they can teach you in an afternoon MIGHT have come to you eventually in Years of diligent searching on your own. @Jayne is right about finding folks that KNOW HOW to help YOU get better. Some of these folks are intent on trying to show you how much better than you that they are. You will do well to pack and leave as soon as you realize they are only a waste of your time. Everybody I have been involved in with shooting for the last Half Century always wanted to see each other get better. That is important. Surround yourself with positive shooters that Want to see everybody get better. Separate yourself as quickly as possible from the ones that are "painful" to be around.
 
NKD said:
Exactly, there are exceptions. The discussion above is for fast close shots almost entirely.
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I don't have a video, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn and have had a few private lessons with Chris TIlley with him trying to get me on the path to not sucking.

He talks about 4 'levels' of shots from near to far and for each type you get progressively more precise at sight alignment and trigger press. He would watch me run a course and then pick a target I screwed up at and discuss.

If the target was a "3", then I could screw up by either using too little or too much. If it required a 3, and I did a 4 sight alignment and then a 1 trigger press, it would be a miss. Perfect alignment then yanked off when fired. Or I could have an amazing 4 trigger press with no disruption but a 1 sight picture so that perfectly released shot goes wrong because I wasn't lined up. Where I am now is shooting a 3 with a 4/4, which means perfect trigger and perfect sights, so good hits... just way too damn slow to win the game. When you do two shots 1" apart in the center of the A zone it looks awesome, but he would say you're too slow. Shooting a 3/3 against a 2/2 target is wasted time in his world.

What's creepy is him standing 20' away and telling you what you did wrong. He can't see the sight alignment so I can only assume he's watching my hands/trigger control and if that looks good and it's a miss then I wasn't on target, and if that looks like crap and I still hit then it's too much sight time? Or luck?

All these "slap" shots could just be trigger of 1. If your target only requires "1" worth of effort (because the target is big or close or the acceptable hit area is large enough or whatever) and you're doing a 1/2, it's good enough. Move that target to 3-5 yards and it's suddenly a "1" and as long as the gun is vaguely in the right direction it's good enough with a 1/1 shot. Maybe Leatham at el's 1 is good enough for what most of us would think is a 3?
 
wvsig said:
@Murtaugh and @NKD How many draws, presentations, dry firing reps did you do between your back and forth about Slapping Rob?
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None. Because my gun is packed up to go to an actual shooting competition ran but one of the best shooters in the world TONIGHT.
I did an hour of Dryfire last night.
 
Jayne said:
I don't have a video, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn and have had a few private lessons with Chris TIlley with him trying to get me on the path to not sucking.

He talks about 4 'levels' of shots from near to far and for each type you get progressively more precise at sight alignment and trigger press. He would watch me run a course and then pick a target I screwed up at and discuss.

If the target was a "3", then I could screw up by either using too little or too much. If it required a 3, and I did a 4 sight alignment and then a 1 trigger press, it would be a miss. Perfect alignment then yanked off when fired. Or I could have an amazing 4 trigger press with no disruption but a 1 sight picture so that perfectly released shot goes wrong because I wasn't lined up. Where I am now is shooting a 3 with a 4/4, which means perfect trigger and perfect sights, so good hits... just way too damn slow to win the game. When you do two shots 1" apart in the center of the A zone it looks awesome, but he would say you're too slow. Shooting a 3/3 against a 2/2 target is wasted time in his world.

What's creepy is him standing 20' away and telling you what you did wrong. He can't see the sight alignment so I can only assume he's watching my hands/trigger control and if that looks good and it's a miss then I wasn't on target, and if that looks like crap and I still hit then it's too much sight time? Or luck?

All these "slap" shots could just be trigger of 1. If your target only requires "1" worth of effort (because the target is big or close or the acceptable hit area is large enough or whatever) and you're doing a 1/2, it's good enough. Move that target to 3-5 yards and it's suddenly a "1" and as long as the gun is vaguely in the right direction it's good enough with a 1/1 shot. Maybe Leatham at el's 1 is good enough for what most of us would think is a 3?
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I got vids.

edit: Not sure how to post IG pages, but he gives a description on his page. Chrisshootertilley.

Just see his post on august 26, 2020 on his IG page.

www.instagram.com

Chris Tilley on Instagram: "Control levels 1-4"

229 likes, 15 comments - chrisshootertilley on August 26, 2020: "Control levels 1-4"
www.instagram.com www.instagram.com

For those interested in learning, he's an amazing teacher. One hour lesson will give you enough meat to dryfire off of for months.
 
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Jayne said:
When you do two shots 1" apart in the center of the A zone it looks awesome, but he would say you're too slow. Shooting a 3/3 against a 2/2 target is wasted time in his world.
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I had a grown man say to me in a group of shooters....I have Never missed anything I shot at........I replied......You need to either back up or speed up.....
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
You ARE doing the First thing that is required....SHOOTING......that alone puts you in a very small circle of shooters.....I get to shoot Every Day.....It is Not a sport to me...It is Not a Hobby to me....it's what I do. Again, 99% won't give shooting 3 minutes a day....they Can't be serious....it Does Not require shooting to get Better.....Just my opinion.
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Ben Stoeger is proof of what dry firing everyday can accomplish. I agree Billy.
 
NKD said:
I got vids.

edit: Not sure how to post IG pages, but he gives a description on his page. Chrisshootertilley.

Just see his post on august 26, 2020 on his IG page.

www.instagram.com

Chris Tilley on Instagram: "Control levels 1-4"

229 likes, 15 comments - chrisshootertilley on August 26, 2020: "Control levels 1-4"
www.instagram.com www.instagram.com

For those interested in learning, he's an amazing teacher. One hour lesson will give you enough meat to dryfire off of for months.
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This video is Exactly what I was trying to get across about trainers.....in just a minute he explained what you would get to in trial and error and thousands of rounds of ammo......great video!!!!!!!
 
NKD said:
If one trigger pull on everything every time works for you I would encourage you to do it that way.
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Jayne said:
Maybe Leatham at el's 1 is good enough for what most of us would think is a 3?
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NKD said:
I got vids.

edit: Not sure how to post IG pages, but he gives a description on his page. Chrisshootertilley.
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I think the difference between Leatham et al and what Tilley is doing is they are not breaking the release and prep down into 4 types. They are saying release the trigger fully and then prep on the wall as fast as possible the same way every time. Sometimes you pull straight through the wall and sometimes you slow the pull down for accuracy needs. This has never been presented to me as different pulls. I'd compare it more to a gas pedal or a curved line graph. This "one pull" works on everything for me except hair trigger guns...but I don't use those for competition, defense, or hunting. Even if you are not faster this way, the added advantage to not riding the reset is you never short stroke the reset. I agree with him that #4 is rarely useful and go one step further in saying it is never useful for me.

Not saying Tilley is wrong or the 4 types don't work...just noting the difference.


Jayne said:
That's exactly it, it shows the slap vs the continual vs the stage and whatnot. level 1-4. Everyone go watch that and learn directly from the man vs. my driveled version above.
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I may not hang out with the correct champions but slap as I have seen it used is a generic term for not purposely riding the trigger back out. It doesn't mean the trigger is sloppily/haphazardly pulled all of the time.


www.shootingillustrated.com

An Official Journal Of The NRA | Trigger-Control Tips: Slapping vs. Resetting

The forward movement of the trigger is just as important as the rearward movement. Here are the pros and cons of slapping the trigger versus riding the reset.
www.shootingillustrated.com www.shootingillustrated.com
 
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BatteryOaksBilly said:
I had a grown man say to me in a group of shooters....I have Never missed anything I shot at........I replied......You need to either back up or speed up.....
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+1000

In practice you push the edge of your abilities to get your body used to another level of speed. Then you keep drilling and practicing until the accuracy meets that next level of speed.
Then you go faster. If you're not missing in practice, you are not improving as fast as you can.
 
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If you're not missing in practice, you are not improving as fast as you can.
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Our range shirts say....SHOOT AS FAST AS YOU CAN.....not faster.
Clint Smith said.........Colonel Cooper told me "Clint shoot good"....Your students will remember every target you Miss.

I encourage folks to shoot faster than they ever thought they could....then I show them How....@Amp13, @Burt Gummer , @Lil D , @Millie , @garvin , @Stick Man , @Mr2slick123 , these times 100....You must be able to show them that the thing you want them to do is Possible. Then...encourage them to reach an even higher goal. Presentation-Press-Placement-Penetration...It is not only Not necessary to be Ugly to shooters but is actually a hindrance to better performance. Our range record that is repeatable for 1 round in the A from 5 yards from concealment is .39 sec. This needs to be faster.....some of you will do it.....13 of you have killed the Wizard out of 3,200+ tries.
3 minutes a day will change your shooting ability......3 minutes.......now, do you Really WANT to get better ???
 
Murtaugh said:
Obviously there are no 100% absolutes. With few exceptions, when he is shooting "fast" he claims to fully release the trigger, has a strong distaste for riding the reset, calls pinning and reset terribly inefficient, and is skeptical whether people can actually hear/feel any clicking if they are shooting fast enough.

Out of his own mouth:
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I guess I am in the minority but I appreciate links to "evidence" when people share something they learn/observe I think this Leatham info is excellent despite the interviewer being rather annoying.
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
Our range shirts say....SHOOT AS FAST AS YOU CAN.....not faster.
Clint Smith said.........Colonel Cooper told me "Clint shoot good"....Your students will remember every target you Miss.

I encourage folks to shoot faster than they ever thought they could....then I show them How....@Amp13, @Burt Gummer , @Lil D , @Millie , @garvin , @Stick Man , @Mr2slick123 , these times 100....You must be able to show them that the thing you want them to do is Possible. Then...encourage them to reach an even higher goal. Presentation-Press-Placement-Penetration...It is not only Not necessary to be Ugly to shooters but is actually a hindrance to better performance. Our range record that is repeatable for 1 round in the A from 5 yards from concealment is .39 sec. This needs to be faster.....some of you will do it.....13 of you have killed the Wizard out of 3,200+ tries.
3 minutes a day will change your shooting ability......3 minutes.......now, do you Really WANT to get better ???
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Youā€™re a wonderful teacher Billy, you keep me calm even though Iā€™m full of nerves. I think @Burt Gummer would agree that we both have learned so much over the past few years and we greatly appreciate your time and willingness to share your knowledge.
 
Ok friends, I already have my 3+ minutes in this morning. Worked on presentation only, no dry fire. When I do this, I draw and move off the x, aquire sight picture and alignment, then always look at the holster and take my time when reholstering. So, there we go. Have a wonderful Sunday everyone.
 
Stick Man said:
I draw and move off the x
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Just did mine for the day and incorporated this into every draw. Doesn't take any extra time to step and since you're pretty much always drawing and moving at the start of a match (or a fight presumably) there isn't much reason to only practice static draws.
 
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