Chuckman
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"Shooter grade" for OTS mil-issue 1911s was center-of-torso. You are correct, to get any kind of accuracy would require a bunch of upgrades.
Hopefully we'll get some 1911's
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"Shooter grade" for OTS mil-issue 1911s was center-of-torso. You are correct, to get any kind of accuracy would require a bunch of upgrades.
Chuckman
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I have seen some complete Colt's and Remington Rand's at about the $1K mark for fair fair/good. I have seen some crappy ones for $2K.
I don't have collector guns. If I did, I would surely get one.
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the only guns of historical significance I have is a 1942 M1 Garand, and an 1888 Gewehr Commission Rifle made in 1891.
I would like an 03A3 Springfield, a 1911A1, a K98, and a Mosin Nagant. A 1861 Springfield would be nice too... lol
I would like an 03A3 Springfield, a 1911A1, a K98, and a Mosin Nagant. A 1861 Springfield would be nice too... lol
I have gotten the email from CMP and it was probably me that generated the update email. CMP and the Army is requiring two NICS checks and despite the fact these are C&R weapons, they will not sell directly to an '03 licensed collector. I will not buy one because of that ridiculousness. I have purchased a nice CMP Special Garand in .308 from them so it is not like I have anything personal against the CMP. I am against the extra hoops they are putting everyone through for what...a 1911? It is because it is an evil handgun! Don't forget you will have to add a transfer fee to the total cost since the pistols can only be shipped to an FFL.
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Its because of the politics of handguns. Might gave even been a condition for bringing them in? I don't care, $20 isn't a deal-breaker here.
Update from an email received today-
Status of the CMP 1911s, 1/29/2018:
The CMP has been authorized to receive 8,000 1911 type pistols from the United States Army.
The 1911s have been received by the CMP. A complete inventory will be conducted over the course of this week.
The pistols will then be securely stored until the Army-approved 1911 building and armory infrastructure is completed. That completion is anticipated to be approximately 60 days from now. Once the 1911 armory is completed, inspection, grading, repair, and ultimately test firing of the pistols will begin. (Please be aware that the CMP was led to believe that we were ready to move forward, but three weeks ago facility requirements were changed, and we are now fulfilling those requirements.)
The CMP 1911 order packet will be posted 90 days prior to the order acceptance date and opening sales date. No orders will be accepted prior to that date. Please visit www.thecmp.org, click on the Sales icon then 1911 Information, for the latest. CMP customer service has been inundated with calls and emails concerning the 1911s and no further information is available at this time.
The CMP will keep everyone posted as we move through this process.
Mark Johnson
Chief Operating Officer
Civilian Marksmanship Program
www.thecmp.org
Status of the CMP 1911s, 1/29/2018:
The CMP has been authorized to receive 8,000 1911 type pistols from the United States Army.
The 1911s have been received by the CMP. A complete inventory will be conducted over the course of this week.
The pistols will then be securely stored until the Army-approved 1911 building and armory infrastructure is completed. That completion is anticipated to be approximately 60 days from now. Once the 1911 armory is completed, inspection, grading, repair, and ultimately test firing of the pistols will begin. (Please be aware that the CMP was led to believe that we were ready to move forward, but three weeks ago facility requirements were changed, and we are now fulfilling those requirements.)
The CMP 1911 order packet will be posted 90 days prior to the order acceptance date and opening sales date. No orders will be accepted prior to that date. Please visit www.thecmp.org, click on the Sales icon then 1911 Information, for the latest. CMP customer service has been inundated with calls and emails concerning the 1911s and no further information is available at this time.
The CMP will keep everyone posted as we move through this process.
Mark Johnson
Chief Operating Officer
Civilian Marksmanship Program
www.thecmp.org
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“Once the 1911 armory is completed, inspection, grading, repair, and ultimately test firing of the pistols will begin.”
Translation: we are going to take the pistols apart and put them in parts bins, then rebuild as many “correct” guns as we can so we can sell them at higher prices. You purchasers will snatch them up and brag about your “correct” gun to all your friends, but you will talk trash to a guy at a gun show for “faking” a 1911 if he did he same thing we did. But, we will give you a cool certificate of “authenticity.”
Pretty much what I figured CMP was going to do with theee. They’ve been doing it with Garands for years. I think these pistols would be far more interesting as collectibles if we got them in as received condition, with only functional repairs being made as needed.
Translation: we are going to take the pistols apart and put them in parts bins, then rebuild as many “correct” guns as we can so we can sell them at higher prices. You purchasers will snatch them up and brag about your “correct” gun to all your friends, but you will talk trash to a guy at a gun show for “faking” a 1911 if he did he same thing we did. But, we will give you a cool certificate of “authenticity.”
Pretty much what I figured CMP was going to do with theee. They’ve been doing it with Garands for years. I think these pistols would be far more interesting as collectibles if we got them in as received condition, with only functional repairs being made as needed.
There are some pics on the 1911 forum that are from a LEO department that purchased 1911s straight from the DOD. They might be a glimpse into what we can expect. They looks like pretty straight forward rearsenaled guns. The rollmarks are almost completely filled in. https://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=907450
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"Once the 1911 armory is completed, inspection, grading, repair, and ultimately test firing of the pistols will begin.”
Thats the standard with any used weapon. DCM and CMP has always done that I believe.
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Thats the standard with any used weapon. DCM and CMP has always done that I believe.
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CMP, for sure, has been building "correct" rifles for years. It goes beyond simple repair. At least in the early days, DCM did not do this, as they weren't trying to maximize profits by selling collectible grade guns. They were there to get battle rifles (and, for a brief period, pistols) in the hands of American citizens. They made whatever repairs, if any, were needed and shipped them out.
At any rate, I am sure this will go on with the 1911s, too. I still think it is a shame, but what are you gonna do?
I still may pony up and buy one, depending on price. I would really like to get a Vietnam "correct" gun.
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There are some pics on the 1911 forum that are from a LEO department that purchased 1911s straight from the DOD. They might be a glimpse into what we can expect. They looks like pretty straight forward rearsenaled guns. The rollmarks are almost completely filled in. https://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=907450
Yep. I bet the vast, vast majority look like that.
CMP, for sure, has been building "correct" rifles for years. It goes beyond simple repair. At least in the early days, DCM did not do this, as they weren't trying to maximize profits by selling collectible grade guns. They were there to get battle rifles (and, for a brief period, pistols) in the hands of American citizens. They made whatever repairs, if any, were needed and shipped them out.
At any rate, I am sure this will go on with the 1911s, too. I still think it is a shame, but what are you gonna do?
So please school me. What would constitute a Vietnam era "correct" gun?
It wanted to be a toaster, but was forced into service as a pistol when it was just newly forged. They clipped its sights and changed its grips to be just like every other pistol in the armory. Then after weeks of grueling training where they kept calling it “maggot” and comparing it to the “real” 1911s that stormed the beaches at Normandy. Soon after it was thrown into a Years long tropical vacation where it was slapped in leather and taken care of by a sweaty teenager who preferred a plastic Barbie doll of a firearm over its cold forged steel.
Then, when it came home, it saw itself ignored and left unappreciated as new fangled pistols that were made of polymer and could carry more payload got all of the credit. It’s experience was ignored, it’s troubles swept under the rug.
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Back in Oct 03' when we pulled 250 ea M1911A1s out of storage to take to Iraq. 5 were still brand new in the original shipping boxes. Joe's threw the boxes in the trash. Then they got used hard in Iraq over 10 yrs. My program returned its 6 very good condition M1911A1s back to SOCOM from Afghanistan last year. SF still has a few over here today.
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A gun with Vietnam era replacement parts (would especially like one of the chrome lined barrels from that time period) and the Vietnam era parkerized finish (color is different from earlier ones), but without post-Vietnam modifications/replacement parts.
Wanna bet if there is a Singer in the mix that it would get auctioned?
