My off body guns are DAO. Thx to OP for the post. I didnt look at date of viddy but damn me and LAV are getting old. Very surprised that he said he had transitioned to 9mm and was advising same. My guess is age and ailments might have something to do with it. I shot with him, Kyle Lamb, Dave Harrington and other operator types way back in the day. Used to pick up his 45 brass back when USPSA shooters did that and he always said "keep it, you paid for it."
He got his Sig variants backwards.
You're right, He said the p-6 OR the police version of the 225. Or, as in another name rather than alternate version. Good catch.Did he? He called it the P6 the West German police model of the P225. At least that is the way I heard it.
You're right, He said the p-6 OR the police version of the 225. Or, as in another name rather than alternate version. Good catch.
I wanted to love the 225/P-6, I've owned 3. I just couldn't get past the Single/double action thing. Also how the floor plate on the mag sticks out past the grip but that can be ground down.Those guns were a steal when they were $300. I already owned a P225 or I would have bought one. I always felt the P225 was great in the hand but a bit of a tweeter. By today’s standards it is large for it capacity. Still a great gun.
I've never owned or even shot a 1911. What's the meaning of "You can't treat it like a Glock, you're gonna have to raise your game"?
I've never owned or even shot a 1911. What's the meaning of "You can't treat it like a Glock, you're gonna have to raise your game"?
I was wondering whether he was referring to disassembly, maintenance, etc. While I've never had one, I do understand they don't just come apart like Glocks.
I've never owned or even shot a 1911. What's the meaning of "You can't treat it like a Glock, you're gonna have to raise your game"?
What @wvsig @Amp Mangum said, also the manual of arms is a bit more involved. You really need to practice/train if you use a 1911 as a carry gun or the first time you get an adrenaline dump you won't be able to manipulate it without shaking like a leaf on a tree. Not hard, at all, just different.
BTW, the LAV-built 1911s are unicorns, and really, really nice....
If you shoot enough 1911 or other cocked and locked handguns like the 75B or BHP you instinctively thumb the safety off as you present the gun even if there is no safety. LOL I find when shooting Glocks or P Series Sigs my thumb still makes the same motion on presentation.
I am not sure about shaking like a leaf but I have seen new 1911 shooters bobble the draw and shot because they did not thumb down the safety.
Think about competitions, With all the race tuned $5000 1911's on the field having someone come in with a zero is a common occurrence. The more finely tuned they are, the more prone to failure.
I disagree with that statement. I have seen some high dollar guns fail but I think that’s the exception and not the rule. I also believe that the majority of even those failures were ammo or magazine failures.Think about competitions, With all the race tuned $5000 1911's on the field having someone come in with a zero is a common occurrence. The more finely tuned they are, the more prone to failure.
I kinda agree with the higher the performance the greater likelihood for failure. You see it in racing engines all the time.
Do you 1911 shooter agree with his statement that you should spend at least $1k to get a decent example?
No. Plenty of OK 1911s sub-$1K. The secret is, don't do anything to them. The only thing most sub-$1K 1911s need are trigger jobs and sights. Anything else you tinker with or change out, you start screwing around with fittings and tolerances. It also depends on what you want. What I described is a carry or range 1911, it would likely make not-a-great competition gun.
That said, there is a qualitative and quantitative difference between a $800 1911, a $1,500 1911, and a $3K-5K 1911.
Crappy 1911 triggers are like pizza and sex, even bad 1911 triggers are better than glock.@wvsig , by no means I'm talking about a Bubba trigger job or any kind of Bubba project. I'm not smart enough to do those things, so I sent them to a gunsmith to have them done. The biggest problem with any 1911 under $1,000 is a crappy trigger.
But then my experiences are with the MEU(SOC) 1911s and having those armors build my personal guns.
@wvsig , by no means I'm talking about a Bubba trigger job or any kind of Bubba project. I'm not smart enough to do those things, so I sent them to a gunsmith to have them done. The biggest problem with any 1911 under $1,000 is a crappy trigger.
But then my experiences are with the MEU(SOC) 1911s and having those armors build my personal guns.
The tolerances on my Kimber Crimson Carry 2 was so tight it was almost impossible to reassemble. It was my first venture into pistols and not a good first handgun selection. I enjoy shooting 1911s and they are beautiful guns but I will never carry one for a dependable defensive carry gun. Coached and locked also makes me a little uneasy for some reason and I can’t get over it.
I have never understood this. People carry Glocks cocked and _un_locked all the time, and having a manual safety also engaged is worrisome? Assuming you are familiar enough to flip it off during the draw (after it is no longer pointed at your leg!) what is the downside to the additional safety? If you are someone that would carry a Glock without a round in the chamber, sure, then I get itCoached and locked also makes me a little uneasy for some reason and I can’t get over it.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with any of the Springfield Range Officer variants in 9 or 45, and they are easily under $1000. They are what I would recommend to someone looking for a first 1911 for fun. A GI version is even less expensive and runs fine, it just has fixed sights and doesn't have as many competition features built in from the start.
I would certainly carry one. My primary carry is a slightly smaller Springfield EMP9. My pocket carry is a Sig 938. Both are single action, thumb safety guns. I have not carried a full size 1911 yet, but I did recently get a Crossbreed Supertuck for exactly that.Would you carry a Range Officer or use it as home defense gun or just a range toy?
I just don't shoot them as well. I'd have to retrain for the different grip angle. I do carry an M&P9 sometimes, mostly under a winter jacket. I have nothing against Glocks, they just don't work for me. I have drawn to a target many many thousands of times, and I am not going to mess with that muscle memory.If you want a carry 1911, you should bite the bullet, not save up money, and buy a Glock 19 like 1911 expert Bill Wilson. Unfortunately, you are gonna have to find a way to spend the extra 500$ you are left with.
Lolz.