CA bar shooting

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Just heard, a few hours ago there was a mass shooting in California, gunman dead, 11 shot (reported so far).
 
I just posted a few before you
BUt I didnt have the links you have
 
Sad. I was thinking about mass shootings and how many occur in strick gun law states. I was going to look it up yesterday.
 
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Id have to say it isn’t surprising I did here the possibility of it being terrorist related but sure yet
 
I have a buddy that lives right near there. His girls were out, but are safe. Awaiting updates. Will keep you guys filled in if he has any info.
 
Why is this stuff still happening?
There is no need for gun grabbing events like this.
The midterm elections are over.
 
Magazines over 10 rds are illegal in California and haven't been sold there in years. Each handgun sale requires a background check, 10 day waiting period, and a safety certificate. Yet bad people still do horrible things.

My heart breaks for our country.
 
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Its a damn shame so many young lives are gone.
We can all speculate on who the responsible party(ies) may be, but the gun grabbers will be spurred into action.
I don't have any answers but maybe if the bouncers or security staff had been armed? Or off duty cops were hired for security this would have at least mitigated the loss of life.
The crazies are out there. More gun control doesn't work.
 
NCFubar said:
It was report on the radio 12 dead ... 10 patrons, 1 responding LEO and the POS shooter. Supposed to be a college bar in CA and no motive released yet. There is a rumor the shooter used smoke bombs as he entered.
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A targeted attack. Probably for not paying protection to the local gang or OC.

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Sorry @HMP I didn't see your thread, I just posted the same about the shooting.

@325rto Dems control the house....let the gun grabbing legislation begin. I don't believe in coincidences anymore. Midterms happened, Dems took the House.... Manchurian candidate gunman??
I'll put my tin foil hat back on and go to my corner....

DS
 
This is in Thousand Oaks at a country music bar??? and Wednesday Night College Night near Pepperdine University. A single shooter with smoke bombs ... gotta wonder what the shooter used (or will be reported as using). You know this is going to get real interesting with wild rumors and such but the left will sure be screaming gun control rhetoric crap before McD’s stops serving breakfast.

ETA: just reported the shooter seems to have used a handgun ... watch the screaming include Glocks and such with evil ARs.
 
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Election results from Ventura County CA show pretty much zero republican wins so I don't give much credibility to a theory that involves antifa and the election. It could be Antifa but I don't think it has to do with a leftist *and* the election.
 
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All I see on news outlet comments are “great, another white trump supporter “
 
DirtySCREW said:
Sorry @HMP I didn't see your thread, I just posted the same about the shooting.

@325rto Dems control the house....let the gun grabbing legislation begin. I don't believe in coincidences anymore. Midterms happened, Dems took the House.... Manchurian candidate gunman??
I'll put my tin foil hat back on and go to my corner....

DS
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I am in agreement.
 
29 year veteran charges in and gets hit multiple times. 'State policeman' pulls Helus (veteran cop about to retire) outside and then stays outside waiting for swat to arrive.
Sound familiar?
They want to take away our ability to defend ourselves and when our 'protectors' sit outside fearing for their safety they will make excuses for themselves and their minions.
I know this doesn't include all cops.
My friends that are cops, mainly former Paratroopers, would have charged into that building trying to save those kids.
Sorry, rant over.
 
rufrdr said:
Magazines over 10 rds are illegal in California and haven't been sold there in years. Each handgun sale requires a background check, 10 day waiting period, and a safety certificate. Yet bad people still do horrible things.

My heart breaks for our country.
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News outlets are saying it was a .45 caliber Glock "legally purchased" in Ventura County.
 
Catfish said:
Election results from Ventura County CA show pretty much zero republican wins so I don't give much credibility to a theory that involves antifa and the election. It could be Antifa but I don't think it has to do with a leftist *and* the election.
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For that part of the State Ventura has some conservative pockets. Plus we might not want to apply our normal logic and motivations to crazy people or political zealots.
 
325rto said:
They want to take away our ability to defend ourselves and when our 'protectors' sit outside fearing for their safety they will make excuses for themselves and their minions.
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The lungenpresse this morning had nothing to say about the victims, but sure was crowing about the heroic "authorities" that responded, even as they admitted they didn't know who shot / stopped the shooter.
 
Okay, we here speak of the what if’s quite a bit ... I gotta ask what if this happened here in the Carolinas and you were in said club/bar? In NC even if the club/bar was not posted just one swig of beer means you are not allowed to carry under your CHP. Go a little farther and say you’re the DD for the evening and drinking a soda so you actually could be armed ... the club/bar is fairly large, a couple hundred people there, not to good of lighting plus a smoke grenade’s hinderance, etc and now add people are running and screaming everywhere ... what would YOU actually do?

I’ll freely admit I’d most likely be a chickenshit and would likely act to save myself, my family and my friends (if I really like ‘em enough). I’d be looking for cover and to GTFO ... unless I was cornered and had no way out which then I’m the 3rd monkey on Noah’s ramp. I have no delusions and know my limitations so as much as I’d like to think I’d draw my subcompact 9mm and save the day if I did I doubt it would go like some movie hero’s scene.

Now as to the situation as has been reported especially makes me respect that LEO who “ran towards the trouble” rather than away and helped the end the attack and keep the dead and wound numbers lower ... he knew this was good ... smoke has been popped in the building and he hears gun fire but still goes in ... Godspeed Sgt Helus of the Ventura County Sheriff’s department.
 
shooter used an "extended magazine" - if only we had more laws that kept these deadly military style magazines off the streets
 
NCFubar said:
Okay, we here speak of the what if’s quite a bit ... I gotta ask what if this happened here in the Carolinas and you were in said club/bar? In NC even if the club/bar was not posted just one swig of beer means you are not allowed to carry under your CHP. Go a little farther and say you’re the DD for the evening and drinking a soda so you actually could be armed ... the club/bar is fairly large, a couple hundred people there, not to good of lighting plus a smoke grenade’s hinderance, etc and now add people are running and screaming everywhere ... what would YOU actually do?

I’ll freely admit I’d most likely be a chickenshit and would likely act to save myself, my family and my friends (if I really like ‘em enough). I’d be looking for cover and to GTFO ... unless I was cornered and had no way out which then I’m the 3rd monkey on Noah’s ramp. I have no delusions and know my limitations so as much as I’d like to think I’d draw my subcompact 9mm and save the day if I did I doubt it would go like some movie hero’s scene.

Now as to the situation as has been reported especially makes me respect that LEO who “ran towards the trouble” rather than away and helped the end the attack and keep the dead and wound numbers lower ... he knew this was good ... smoke has been popped in the building and he hears gun fire but still goes in ... Godspeed Sgt Helus of the Ventura County Sheriff’s department.
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Exactly. People wanna talk tough and how they needed armed this and that. BS.

When someone has the drop on you, its a different situation. Combine that with a crowded panicked room....the gunman is shooting whoever and wherever, meanwhile a good guy has to aim at one moving target while avoiding all the other panicked moving targets. You think you're gonna be a hero? Nah...you're gonna get the hell out.
 
Meckmeister said:
David Ian Long, 29. Lives in the area. Drove his mother's car to the night club. /LA Times
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Now they’re reporting he was a military vet and had PTSD ...

I can just imagine Feinstein, Pelosi and Moonbeam along with their fellow gun grabbers starting in on veterans not having guns now as part of their gun control legislation ideas.
 
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