12 dead and 6 more injured as long time city employee opens fire in Virginia Beach...

My SBR came back in something like 10 days (I'd have to look back at the thread to see for sure, sorry)
Not sure if suppressors are coming back as quickly or not.
Only if he made it himself. (No Form 4 in EForms)
 
Almost any other caliber and I would’ve believed people heard it in other buildings. But unless he loaded some strange .45, there would’ve been no sonic crack.
 
The police chief Cerevas reported this afternoon that Craddock was never fired, per the city department manager Craddock worked for. That's contrary to the Wall Street Journal yesterday.

However Craddock had recently gotten argumentative and had gotten into fights with his co-workers, and was reprimanded.


The Times for what it's worth
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/01/us/dewayne-craddock-virginia.html
 
They're going to run the Virginia Beach story for awhile for the 25 Dem candidates to do some fund raising.
The media will probably run the Virginia Beach story like they did the Colorado school shooting story ... until the shooter's identity becomes more widely known so the story is more difficult for liberals accept.
 
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Did the FBI ever show the Las Vegas shooters bump stocks? I think this suppressor will be home made, again showing how gun laws fail.

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Damn I hope you are correct there ... then the anti-gunners can scream about banning the Internet along with oil filters, Maglite flashlights & freeze plugs. The Internet is full of homemade engineering if a person just knows how to use simple tools. The only problem is I don’t want to spend 10 years as a guest of the Feds nor do I have $250K for the fine in either cases or others that cross similar lines and I am a law abiding citizen unlike the Va Beach shooter or other Internet criminals ... again laws will not stop those determined to do something.
 
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BATF&E reported he purchased a pistol in 2016 and in 2018 legally.
 
The story changed again. He emailed his resignation on Friday morning, right before the shooting. Also city manager said he had a good record (not the fights). If so, a lot of planning involved./Fox News
 
Associated press already asking if the “silencer” made it easier to kill all of those people. They also tagged how republicans wanted to pass hearing law to make them more accessible to shooters.
 
Associated press already asking if the “silencer” made it easier to kill all of those people. They also tagged how republicans wanted to pass hearing law to make them more accessible to shooters.
So "silencers" kill people easier like how AR pistol grips make the bullets go faster huh... I love the media (as sarcastic as I can say it)
 
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I'm really intrigued over this suppressor/silencer/can. Nothing from BATFE about it that I've seen. If he actually had a real one it must have been hand made. Nevertheless I've seen several people on the boob tube taking their two minutes of fame talking about hearing the shooting. I'm also curious as to what type pistols he had with their extended magazines (Glock 21?????????????????????).
 
Ran the SN? Tell me how there isn't a database with 'name', 'sn' someplace .
They have the gun, go to manufacture and see who the distributor/gun shop sold to. Go thru all the stores 4473s or if business closed thru the boxes of 4473s sent to them. That's how its supposed to work anyway.

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Tracked from the manufacturer to distributor to LGS.

Sorry, my 'tin foil' hat was too tight. But then again...
 
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I'll admit, I got curious and wanted to see how much of an uproar the Regressive Libtard blog-o-sphere is in over the VA Beach shooting. So I browsed, using Tor, to a few sites that I won't link to and saw nothing. Nada. Zilch. Crickets.

Those disgusting bastards. If it doesn't fit their narrative they ignore it. They don't give two bits about the people killed, yet if the shooter were white and not a Democrat they'd be all over it like flies on dead chicken.
 
Ok, so it turns out he was still an employee, so of course he had his badge. I withdraw my earlier rant.

Still despicable act.
 
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So can we call this workplace violence instead of Fort Hood?

I overheard on the news that some of the witnesses thought that because the pistol had a silencer attached that he was an "actor, in a active shooter drill".

Excuse me, IDGAF if he's an actor or what, I'm run/hide/fighting my way the hell out of there. I knew when I saw Virginia Beach that this one would be written off quickly, just as quickly if not more than the Norfolk shooter who charged the Navy watchmen or the guy who shot up the recruiting center under Obama.

Doesn't fit the narrative so they can't grave dance too heavily.
 
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Anyone notice the last shooting has been a news blackout.
Not at all. I'm seeing it every time I turn on the TV or radio. I only heard his name one though, so maybe the media are getting a clue.
 
Not at all. I'm seeing it every time I turn on the TV or radio. I only heard his name one though, so maybe the media are getting a clue.

Or the name makes it obvious it doesn’t fit the narrative.


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Probably got it from the database.

Yeah, they’re keeping one.
Yeah, that's the point. 4473's are not supposed to be accessible that way, neither is the call in clearance system, IIRC. Forget if that's NCIC or not. Tracking from the manufacturer of the gun should result in a physical search of the 4473's and the bound book. That may be electronic now in some places, but it used to require a store visit.

Just sayin'
 
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Spectrum News just now did their best to keep it going. They showed a soldier firing a full auto carbine as they were telling us that the Democrats were calling for universal BG checks and banning "military style assault weapons". No mention of the fact that the shooter passed all BG checks and didn't use a rifle at all.
 
Spectrum News just now did their best to keep it going. They showed a soldier firing a full auto carbine as they were telling us that the Democrats were calling for universal BG checks and banning "military style assault weapons". No mention of the fact that the shooter passed all BG checks and didn't use a rifle at all.

If he purchased a suppressor legally, he passed more background checks than they are calling for.

Now that we have added a transgender teen and an African American to the pool of shooters, the only common denominator that anyone can point to is gun free zones.
 
I apologize for the thread necro. It had to be done.

I drove by the Virginia Beach courthouse last weekend and noticed a sign in the yard reading "Thank You For Protecting Us".

I don't know who they're thanking, but they did a lousy job protecting the people in the municpal complex.


I also noticed this headline on the local fish wrapper this morning:
https://pilotonline.com/news/local/...cle_e4418244-969b-11e9-a353-e34bcba66649.html

Hundreds sign petition in support of allowing Virginia Beach city employees to bring guns to work

Three years ago, Vincent Smith started an online petition asking Virginia Beach leaders to let properly-licensed city employees carry guns to work for protection.

The effort on change.org gained about 260 signatures then.


This weekend, still reeling from the May 31 mass shooting at the Princess Anne municipal complex, Smith reactivated his push.

By Monday afternoon, about 500 new people had signed on to support the idea. Some even said they worked in Building 2, where a city employee opened fire and killed 12 people before police fatally shot him.

Smith, a public works engineer who has worked for the city for five years, said he had crossed paths with all who died.

"As time goes by, it gets harder," said Smith, who had an office in Building 2 but was not inside at the time of the shooting.

City policy bars employees from bringing guns to work, but state law prevents municipalities from restricting weapons in most municipal buildings.

The General Assembly will hold a special session next month to tackle gun legislation. State Del. Kelly Fowler of Virginia Beach has raised the possibility of allowing cities to control who carries weapons into municipal buildings.

On Monday, Richmond Mayor Levar Stoney said he wanted to ban people from carrying weapons in city-owned buildings or parks.


Last week, Virginia Beach City Council members Sabrina Wooten and Guy Tower tried unsuccessfully to gain support for a similar proposal.

Some speakers at that council meeting feared that if everyone was allowed to bring in a weapon, it would be harder to discern who was there to do harm.


Leaders should strive to create a work environment in which employees feel safe so they don't need to bring a weapon, Wooten said.

"The workplace is a place of work — not a war zone or place of confusion," she said.

Smith, 49, said he has been around guns for more than 40 years and has a concealed carry permit. His experience is that people become more responsible when they carry weapons.

Still, Smith does not support every city employee bringing a gun to work. He suggested that those who want one must pass a vetting process more stringent than the one for obtaining a concealed carry permit.

Smith says he shares common ground with Wooten and Tower: They all want city employees to be safer. They simply disagree on the best approach.

The answer is a serious conversation where city employees and leaders come together, Smith said.

"A genuine look at the issue and what we can do that's a better solution," he said
 
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