Our "pro-Second Amendment" president will be moving to ban suppressors next....

B00ger said:
I’m just curious, why does it matter. Disobeying the law does not nullify it’s existence. Merely neuters it. It is still an affront.
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True. And if somebody gets caught with one it surely won't matter how many have been turned in when it comes time for that somebody's sentence.

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I'm just curious... How many bumpstocks have been turned in?
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Supposedly tens of thousands have been turned in. It was reported that RW Arms surrendered all of its remaining inventory...approx 60,000. Destruction was also an option to turning them in.
 
Trumps going to say what he thinks is popular.

A Republican can always pass more gun control if they want, as it’s much easier for Trump to do it than a Democrat President if Republicans hold a majority in either the Senate or House, because Republicans in Congress will stand against a Democrat in office, and many will bend with a Republican in office. Now an all Democrat controlled government is dangerous to liberty, a split government not as much so.

We put in a New Yorker who really doesn’t have the same deep care for the bill of rights. That said I do think he cares for the nation, and wants America to succeed unlike most Democrats. He just has different views on Liberty and Rights.

I like that Trump shakes the tree and exposes hypocrisy, but this is exactly why I thought voting for Trump in the primary was a bit reckless when there were two better candidates concerning this liberty. Nothing is more important than the 1st, 2nd and 4th amendment, without these rights we are not free. Everything else comes second when I vote. Economics is important, but you cannot have a flourishing economy without liberty.
 
B00ger said:
I’m just curious, why does it matter. Disobeying the law does not nullify it’s existence. Merely neuters it. It is still an affront.


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A prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people...
 
Silver_Bullet said:
Trumps going to say what he thinks is popular.

A Republican can always pass more gun control if they want, as it’s much easier for Trump to do it than a Democrat President if Republicans hold a majority in either the Senate or House, because Republicans in Congress will stand against a Democrat in office, and many will bend with a Republican in office. Now an all Democrat controlled government is dangerous to liberty, a split government not as much so.

We put in a New Yorker who really doesn’t have the same deep care for the bill of rights. That said I do think he cares for the nation, and wants America to succeed unlike most Democrats. He just has different views on Liberty and Rights.

I like that Trump shakes the tree and exposes hypocrisy, but this is exactly why I thought voting for Trump in the primary was a bit reckless when there were two better candidates concerning this liberty. Nothing is more important than the 1st, 2nd and 4th amendment, without these rights we are not free. Everything else comes second when I vote. Economics is important, but you cannot have a flourishing economy without liberty.
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He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution and unacknowledged by our laws, giving his assent to their acts of pretended legislation:
 
Is this leagal? said:
A prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people...
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Wow...such pretty.


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JimB said:
Where we’d be in trouble is if the D’s controlled both houses, cause Trump would do a crap job of negotiating with that mess. Until then, expect the House to jump on his tweet to propose something like elimination of suppressors, and expect that all of us will beat on the Senate to kill it.
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Disagree. Ds controlled the entire goverment for a couple years with Obama and didn't pass anything antigun. Current R-POTUS did more with his executive pen. Trump hasn't shown any ability to negotiate yet to date.
 
B00ger said:
I’m just curious, why does it matter. Disobeying the law does not nullify it’s existence. Merely neuters it. It is still an affront.


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the 'free' man is not the man who rids himself of commands after he has received them, but the man who knows how to evade them in the first place. But the man who takes longest to rid himself of them, or who never achieves it, is undoubtedly the least free.
 
Is this leagal? said:
the 'free' man is not the man who rids himself of commands after he has received them, but the man who knows how to evade them in the first place. But the man who takes longest to rid himself of them, or who never achieves it, is undoubtedly the least free.
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Yeah, that’s kinda what I said. But please keep pontificating. A few more quotes may help.


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My favorite quote from a similar discussion on another forum. :D

“Also, Trump doesn't like illegal aliens, and look how effective that's been.”
 
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Trump’s true colors are showing more and more.
How far we evolved from HPA that died to the talk of “I will think about it”
Boyette is on target that Trump will lose biggly if Trump follows up on his words on silencers.
 
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It's a horrible predicament but to me its like saying if I have to lose a toe just take my whole leg. If Trump loses it's not because another Republican won in his place and if he loses votes the alternative will attempt to do much more than ban silencers.

12151791 said:
Trump’s true colors are showing more and more.
How far we evolved from HPA that died to the talk of “I will think about it”
Boyette is on target that Trump will lose biggly if Trump follows up on his words on silencers.
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I know you guys are speaking on a federal level, but on a state level, this is no joke.

I lived in California for the last 12 years. Most of those years, I was a federal officer for the DHS. I carried a handgun and a fully auto M18 SBR everywhere i went, and i never thought about gun rights. They didn't matter to me because i was one of the untouchable LEOs.

The day i walked away from that, all bets were off. I found myself a civilian with almost no 2A rights.

I know i keep taking about California, and it's not the same as the Fed... But in many ways it's the same.

Gun restrictions are a slippery slope. And, I have seen them ramp up year after year in Cali. 5 to 10 new anti gun laws every year, and you as an individual have no way to stop it. Your elected officials (even though you didn't vote for them) are in complete control.

Again, you guys are talking federal and I'm talking about California... But when Trump pulls an EO against bump stocks he is starting our whole country down the slippery slope. If he does something to do away with suppressors then he is going further down the slope.

I'm a Republican.

But when Trump says, "I don't like suppressors", he is not doing what I voted him in to do.

We cannot let a fake Republican president dictate our nation's gun rights. He's not on our side and he'll never apologize or try to make it right if he ruins everything.
 
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He has already lost my vote over the bump stocks BS. And, how do those that thought that was no big deal think about it now?? You know the "what do you need one of those for or I don't need one so I don't care" people. If this gets traction and an EO is signed, He will loose.
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I'm going to the store to buy my first suppressor just because of things that have taken place in the last 2 weeks.

If he keeps me from getting one, I'll do everything I can to keep him out of office.
 
Until he does something to try to ban them I will not be worrying about it. His son is very pro suppressor and will be having a talk with Dad I also know the media will say and do anything to try to cut support for Trump
 
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Until he does something to try to ban them I will not be worrying about it. His son is very pro suppressor and will be having a talk with Dad I also know the media will say and do anything to try to cut support for Trump
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Like i said in my earlier post... We have everything to lose. It is all ours to give away...

Don't sit back and wait until it's all gone. That's what free men in California have done. Now it's all gone.

By the time he "tries to ban it", it'll be banned. Then you'll be crying.

I have been there. I'm tying to tell you not to repeat what California has already done.
 
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Until he does something to try to ban them I will not be worrying about it. His son is very pro suppressor and will be having a talk with Dad I also know the media will say and do anything to try to cut support for Trump
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He won't try to ban them... All of a sudden, one day, CNN.com will have a big headline, "Trump signs executive order. No more suppressors. "

Then what, bro?
 
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Like i said in my earlier post... We have everything to lose. It is all ours to give away...

Don't sit back and wait until it's all gone. That's what free men in California have done. Now it's all gone.

By the time he "tries to ban it", it'll be banned. Then you'll be crying.

I have been there. I'm tying to tell you not to repeat what California has already done.
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You can not like something without trying to ban it I don't like alcohol but I would never try to ban it but if you ask me what I think of it I will tell you that I don't like it and I don't like the cost of it to families
 
Alabamacoastie said:
He won't try to ban them... All of a sudden, one day, CNN.com will have a big headline, "Trump signs executive order. No more suppressors. "

Then what, bro?
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Unlike bump stocks, suppressors are explicitly addressed by Federal law. Trump cannot nullify that law.
 
This is all bigger than Trump. Much of the problem comes from the courts decision to defer to the regulatory agencies interpretation of laws passed by congress. Congress is dumb and their laws are too big to read. This leaves a ton of room for interpretation. Through the Auer Deference and Chevron Deference decisions, the court has decided and affirmed that the regulatory agencies know more than they do when it comes to interpreting the details of law and congress' intentions and unless there is a gross disparity, they will defer to the regulatory agencies. A challenge to this was heard earlier in the year. Trump is very much for striking down these precedents and this may be the bigger fight that helps us win all the smaller fights on NFA and other gun laws. Similarly, the challenge to the bump stock ban is also raising some of these issues. It is very possible (but not likely casino odds) that the bump stock ban could be beneficial in the end.

Back to a point made by Mr Boyette, a simple EO can be reversed, but these agency interpretations and implementations are harder to reverse especially when these swamp critters can occupy an office for 30-40 years. The reason Obama was unable to pass laws even with both houses of congress came from the fact that people were more active/vigilant and reacted with fear on his every word. The gun crowd as a whole is still way too confident Trump has their backs and arguably lazy as a result.

Regarding Trump in particular, he is infinitely better than Hilary and probably equally better than any of those republican clowns that he beat in the primary. I am still hearing some solid theories on 4d chess (nod to Booger) but I don't subscribe to them yet although we are getting more and more border wall every day and it looks like they are turning the tables on Russia collusion. Some FBI agents/officials and maybe even a special prosecutor in jail will be icing on the cake. My hope is when Trump is done in 2024, we find a true conservative with Trump's thick skin and complete lack of fear. I don't hate Trump anymore but I am starting to hate republicans. I have never seen anyone take on the FBI, CIA, NSA, media, Dems, and the Globalists all at once.
 
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ChickenHawk said:
I wonder what line someone with an R next to their name would have to cross to actually not vote for them.
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But all the Libetarians gave a pass to VP nominee Bill Weld "As governor of Massachusetts, William Weld supported various gun control schemes, including a ban on semi-automatic firearms. Unfortunately, and despite being the Libertarian candidate for vice president, Weld continues his anti-gun ways."
 
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But all the Libetarians gave a pass to VP nominee Bill Weld "As governor of Massachusetts, William Weld supported various gun control schemes, including a ban on semi-automatic firearms. Unfortunately, and despite being the Libertarian candidate for vice president, Weld continues his anti-gun ways."
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All libertarians, huh? Strong statement there. You also automatically assumed I'm a libertarian as well which is odd.

So what would it take for you not to vote for a Republican instead of just trying to say since one party isn't holding someone accountable that it's ok the Republicans don't?
 
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