VA Assault Weapons Ban Dies in Committee

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The Virginia AWB passed the Virginia HOUSE.......

Now it goes to their Senate.

Stay vigilent!

DS
 
Kinda funny (not really)....that all these anti-gun legislations are popping up ALL over the United States......

Bloomberg spent money...lots of it, to try to get rid of 2nd amendment...or weaken the crap out of it.

Follow the money!

Red flag laws every where.....AWB.....
We need to take a stand.

DS
 
If this does manage to get through the Senate and make it to the tyrant’s desk, I’d imagine the compliance rate will be in the single digits.

If the comments I’m seeing posted on twitter, in open defiance of this, are any indication, they may have a compliance rate of less than 1%.
 
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Same here.

It’s unfortunate, but it seems like the only motivating factor most politicians have with regard to listening to constituents is the possibility of losing their position come election time.
 
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Maryland just introduced an AWB today.....


DS
 
Why can't we offer the southern counties a chance to join NC like WV did to the northwestern counties. We could exclude any county with a liberal city, or just the city itself.
 
wvsig said:
I don't think they will. They are not going to gain seats in upcoming elections. IMHO. What I know about VA politics it is going to swing the other direction.
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I certainly hope you are correct. I do not have any experience, or faith, with the VA dems as I recently moved back here. They came upon the majority position quickly and struck as soon as possible even while overcoming the idiocy of the Gov/LtGov's actions.

The Dems in DC haven't quit yet. It will take an impeachment part deaux, or tres!
 
Again 2 of the 3 that killed the child protection measure.

The House has passed all eight of Northam's bills. But three Democrats — Sens. Creigh Deeds (Bath), John Edwards (Roanoke) and Chap Petersen (Fairfax) — sided with Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee to reject the assault-weapons bill for the year. On a 10-5 vote, the committee sent the measure to the state's Crime Commission for study.

It comes as no surprise. I have discussed Deeds and Petersen before but if you look at the map of VA it is no surprise that Edwards voted the way he did. Roanoke is not Hampton Roads or Richmond.
 
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zuerjoha said:
I'm confused -- don't Dems have full control? How isn't this stuff getted passed?
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Ben Jefferson said:
3 dems defected!
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In the House vote they also had 3.

In the Senate, as long as all Rs voted on party lines, they only would’ve needed 1 D to cross the line. Or at least that’s what I got from the Iraq8888 YT video I watched over the weekend.

So even if it passed out of committee, there was a decent chance it wouldn’t have passed the Senate.
 
wsfiredude said:
Because a buncha citizens raised hell.
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wsfiredude said:
Because a buncha citizens raised hell.
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That is not correct if you understand Virginia politics and understand where the Democrats who are voting against this come from you would know it’s not about Party it’s about districts and electability. These three Democrats have a history of supporting gun rights long before the recent protest. If you don’t know your past when you don’t know your future.
 
wvsig said:
That is not correct if you understand Virginia politics and understand where the Democrats who are voting against this come from you would know it’s not about Party it’s about districts and electability. These three Democrats have a history of supporting gun rights long before the recent protest. If you don’t know your past when you don’t know your future.
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So the efforts of all those good people that showed up on Lobby Day played no significant role in the defeat (for now) of this bill?

Is that what you are stating?
 
wsfiredude said:
So the efforts of all those good people that showed up on Lobby Day played no significant role in the defeat (for now) of this bill?

Is that what you are stating?
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That's how I read it.

It sounds like protests or no, the Dems that didn't tow the line wouldn't have to begin with.
 
Hey little mikey, kiss my BUTT. Thank you God for the sane people in VA that did NOT GIVE UP the fight.

What a great day! Still be on guard for NC and other states. The fight has really just begun for this country.
 
Interesting, the current article says (4)...

The House has passed all eight of Northam's bills. But four Democrats — Sens. R. Creigh Deeds (Bath), John S. Edwards (Roanoke), Chap Petersen (Fairfax) and Scott A. Surovell (Fairfax) — sided with Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee to reject the assault weapons bill for the year. On a 10-to-5 vote, the committee sent the measure to the state's Crime Commission for study.
 
Northam was "disappointed" with the vote but "fully expects the Crime Commission to give this measure the detailed review that Senators called for. We will be back next year," spokeswoman Alena Yarmosky said in an email.

They have no intention of acting based on what the Crime Commission has to say if it states anything other than "ban all the things".
 
Some previous posts on here may be misunderstanding what happened. A bill isn't just introduced then voted on by the whole body. It first goes through at least one committee, which is usually around a dozen members of that chamber. Gun bills always go through something like the Justice committee. If there is a financial element, e.g., increasing fees for PPP, then it would also go through the Finance committee. Each committee chair has the ability to put it in a drawer and never act on it. They can introduce amendments or strike out whole sections. They can even completely rewrite the bill and vote on the "Proposed Committee Substitute". This happened at least once for each of the three good gun bills that the R's have passed since 2011. Today's vote in Virginia was not the whole chamber, just the committee of about 15.

Committee assignments are awarded by the person leading that body. If someone campaigns on say, prison reform or agriculture interests, he'd probably jockey to be on the appropriate committee where he would have more influence. Usually, party representation on each committee is proportionate to the larger body; if Democrats have 60% of the larger body, then they will have 60% of the seats on every committee. The chairman of each committee is from the majority party.

So you can see why it's important to have the majority. With gun control, you'll almost always get near 100% Democrat support, and a few Republicans can sometimes be bought. But if the chamber leadership and committee chairs don't want it, it doesn't even get voted on. Imagine you're a Republican in a district that's been going more Democrat in recent years. There's a red flag bill that you oppose but you're going to pay at election time if you vote against it. The committee chair can throw the bill in a drawer, and your opponent can't make a commercial saying you voted against "common sense gun safety".

Part of the strategy in Virginia today was to kill the AWB for this session, without having to put the whole chamber on record as voting for it. The vulnerable rural D's can keep their seats. The districts will be redrawn after this year's census, and the D's will be in control of where the lines go. They can gerrymander so that they will pick up a few more seats next election. Then they will try again for the AWB, only this time, they can afford to let the vulnerable D's vote against it, yet still have the votes to pass it.
 
wsfiredude said:
So the efforts of all those good people that showed up on Lobby Day played no significant role in the defeat (for now) of this bill?

Is that what you are stating?
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That is basically what I am stating. The 3 Dems that voted to block this bill were never going to vote for it before that rally. If you look at who they are, how they got into office, how they have voted in the past and who they represent it makes sense that they voted the way they did. They maybe Dems but they have pro-gun backgrounds and records. This is not belittle the actions of people on Lobby Day. I applaud them. If I still lived in VA like I did for over 10 years I would have been there. It was an great visual and show of support for the 2nd Amend but it was not what moved these 3 VA House Members. I have lived in the area or very close to the districts where these 3 represent. Dem or not they have a pro gun population and vote accordingly. They did not have some come to Jesus moment on Lobby Day 2020. It makes for a nice narrative but it does not pass the sniff test.

I have family and friends all over VA. Fairfax Co, Loudon Co, Charlottle Co, Pittsylvania Co, Halifax Co, Mecklenburg Co, Louisa Co, Henrico Co, Caroline Co, Louisa Co, Spotsylvania Co, Roanoke etc.... I lived in the state for almost 15 years. I still own a home there. I am a VA tax payer. I am familiar with the states politics and because of family and friends I have a vested interest in it beyond just the this one issue.
 
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georgel said:
Interesting, the current article says (4)...

The House has passed all eight of Northam's bills. But four Democrats — Sens. R. Creigh Deeds (Bath), John S. Edwards (Roanoke), Chap Petersen (Fairfax) and Scott A. Surovell (Fairfax) — sided with Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee to reject the assault weapons bill for the year. On a 10-to-5 vote, the committee sent the measure to the state's Crime Commission for study.
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I believe there was a correction to the article. What I posted earlier was cut and pasted from the article and it has now been changed to the text your quoted.

Surovell is an interesting vote. He is for gun reform but he stated that he voted against it because he believes that it will not be passed this session. Sounds like a pragmatic vote because he knows it will not pass as it is written.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...weapons-sale-ban-northam-promised/4784228002/

Sen. Scott Surovell, one of the Democrats who sided with Republicans in the vote, said he supported the idea of increasing regulations of assault rifles but that the bill had "numerous issues that needed to be refined."

Surovell also cited limited time in the General Assembly's legislative session and wanting to focus on "legislation that can pass this session."

"We will focus on assault rifles next session when we have more time after the Crime Commission has come up with a more workable product," Surovell said in a statement.
 
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MostWanted said:
Part of the strategy in Virginia today was to kill the AWB for this session, without having to put the whole chamber on record as voting for it. The vulnerable rural D's can keep their seats. The districts will be redrawn after this year's census, and the D's will be in control of where the lines go. They can gerrymander so that they will pick up a few more seats next election. Then they will try again for the AWB, only this time, they can afford to let the vulnerable D's vote against it, yet still have the votes to pass it.
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IIRC, the VA house, Gov, Lt Gov and A/G will all be up for a vote in Nov 2021, correct?
 
wsfiredude said:
I bet Bloomberg and Northam are sh***ing bricks right about now.:)
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Naaah; they're playing the long game.

What may be their downfall is doing so against a short fuse!
 
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