This Apartment complex is Anti-2A

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So, the apartment complex we are moving from apparently added a anti-firearms clause without us knowing and gave us 30 days notice to move out. Luckily we already were planning on moving and already found somewhere to go on Satuday which is 2A friendly.

The clause basically says you forfeit your 2A rights to live in this apartment complex and cannot own firearms.
I underlined it.

The name of this complex is Stafford Place, in Winston Salem. DO NOT move here! Tell everyone you know! Stay away!
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vp9c said:
doesn't seem like it would hold up to scrutiny...



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We dont thing so either, that clause was not in the lease when we signed, we were just waiting for our tax refund to come back to move but since we dont need that much to get out we dont need to wait for it so we're moving on the 28th
 
fieldgrade said:
I expect the leases for all their parent company’s apartment properties are no different.
All eleven of them.
https://www.parrinvestments.com

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We looked multiple times at the lease we signed to see if that firearms clause was in there and it is not. They must have added it recently and didn't tell anyone
 
Google Stafford Place Apartments W-S and post a review, including the photo.

While it’s certainly their right to decide what goes/does not go on their private property, you are well within your rights to post a truthful review about their policies.
 
BU2scwMJL said:
We looked multiple times at the lease we signed to see if that firearms clause was in there and it is not. They must have added it recently and didn't tell anyone
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Notice that they added wiggle words to allow them do that in their current lease language. I expect you could tell them to KMA if the last lease you renewed didn’t have that language.
 
BU2scwMJL said:
We dont thing so either, that clause was not in the lease when we signed, we were just waiting for our tax refund to come back to move but since we dont need that much to get out we dont need to wait for it so we're moving on the 28th
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Wish you had a wealthy 2A supporter (Anti-Bloomberg) or the NRA or GRNC would support this fight.
 
wsfiredude said:
Google Stafford Place Apartments W-S and post a review, including the photo.

While it’s certainly their right to decide what goes/does not go on their private property, you are well within your rights to post a truthful review about their policies.
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AND send the link to the news and your legislators.
 
wsfiredude said:
Google Stafford Place Apartments W-S and post a review, including the photo.

While it’s certainly their right to decide what goes/does not go on their private property, you are well within your rights to post a truthful review about their policies.
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We are once we are gone, Kara dont take that crap
 
Trust me if I had endless money I am just petty enough when it comes to stuff like this I would run it into the ground. But I will make sure it’s well known what their “policies” are and how they present clauses or amendments to a lease with out due notice to the tenants. And to make sure that if you do risk coming here that you keep up with every single piece of paper you sign and or receive and make sure all communication is in written form only.
 
This is not uncommon ... but the most troubling wording to me would be ...
You further agree We may further restrict the use and storage of any firearm or weapon described in this Paragraph through changes in our Rules and Regulations.
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... that opens you up to even NO GUNS PERIOD.

Under the North Carolina Landlord-Tenants Laws this is completely legal (some states have legislation that says landlords can’t but not NC) and once you sign a legally binding contract, ie a lease, you’re screwed. My Aunt just kinda had a similar thing happen to her where they made her apartment complex non-smoking ... in your apartment, not on your patio, not in the parking lot (your vehicle is actually not included under the ban via some legal case law), etc she can only smoke at a smoking bench on the edge of the apartment complex. If she’s caught she’s fined $100 ... and yes a group of tenants consulted an attorney who outlined the above stuff. If you are in the middle of a lease the landlord can NOT change the lease agreement WITHOUT the tenant’s agreement but upon the execution of a new lease you’re SOL.
 
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Absolutely disgusting.

Ask them when the 24/7 armed security is going to start doing rounds.
 
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BU2scwMJL said:
So, the apartment complex we are moving from apparently added a anti-firearms clause without us knowing and gave us 30 days notice to move out. Luckily we already were planning on moving and already found somewhere to go on Satuday which is 2A friendly.

The clause basically says you forfeit your 2A rights to live in this apartment complex and cannot own firearms.
I underlined it.

The name of this complex is Stafford Place, in Winston Salem. DO NOT move here! Tell everyone you know! Stay away!
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due time and Ittle be riddle with crime. If someone wants to make a fuss about it, they’ll end up in court with a law suit on a few different things I can think of right off the top of me head
 
karalynnlippy said:
I just re-read the lease agreement that we signed. It has no such clause or amendment in what we signed. I have the original document. They can’t change in the middle of a lease with out proper notice.
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Correct.

My experience with leases in the past 7-8 years though (two kids in college and six different apt complexes) is there's a new lease at each renewal. For what that’s worth.
 
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The Dude said:
How would they know you have firearms anyways?
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Based on one of my college student’s experience it’s hard to get long guns out of the car and into/out of the apt unless you are a lot more discrete than he is.
 
I am not an attorney, but I doubt the clause agreeing the 2nd Amendment is not applicable to the agreement would not be enforceable. I can't say anything about the enforceability of the no guns clause.

Substitute any other amendment for the 2nd and see if it works: 1st Amendment, 4th Amendment. That just doesn't work.
 
Could care less if my apartment complex put that clause in. Hell, might even have had one when I signed.

No reason they would know. And if they did, I would rat out on every single person with a prohibited dog breed so they lose 20 tenants at once.

I usually talk about hunting with our maintenance guy when he’s here for a ticket. Really nice guy, family been hunting Jordan lake for generations so I learned a lot from him. I don’t imagine he would be telling the manager on me if we do or ended up with such a clause
 
Pretty sure that even having that clause in there is illegal. They can not make any rule that denies you of your rights. (unless it is subsidized)
 
J R Green said:
Pretty sure that even having that clause in there is illegal. They can not make any rule that denies you of your rights. (unless it is subsidized)
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Its their property, not his. I doubt this is fundamentally all that different than posted sign law, which, to my knowledge has stood up in court in NC from what I've heard on here. Now my usual disclaimer: Don't let the curly hair fool you, I'm not a lawyer.
 
Sigequinox220 said:
Its their property, not his. I doubt this is fundamentally all that different than posted sign law, which, to my knowledge has stood up in court in NC from what I've heard on here. Now my usual disclaimer: Don't let the curly hair fool you, I'm not a lawyer.
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I think that dwellings are treated differently than retail establishments though.
 
zuerjoha said:
I think that dwellings are treated differently than retail establishments though.
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Interesting. Im going to go back into my hole of ignorance now where I have no anxiety about what I do with my guns....
 
So they could also write a rule about what races of people can live there. I know that wouldn't fly, I don't know how this rule could apply.
 
Posting something that is illegal doesn't make it legal. It's like having a sign saying "not responsible for accidents", it doesn't make it true.

An as stated above housing has extra regulation and rights awarded.
 
Firemedic54 said:
So they could also write a rule about what races of people can live there. I know that wouldn't fly, I don't know how this rule could apply.
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From US News...

The Fair Housing Act was originally enacted in 1968 and protects against housing discrimination based on race, color, national origin, religion, sex, disability or family status. Gun ownership is not a protected class under fair housing laws and is therefore subject to potential restrictions or laws based on the state.
 
dmarbell said:
I am not an attorney, but I doubt the clause agreeing the 2nd Amendment is not applicable to the agreement would not be enforceable. I can't say anything about the enforceability of the no guns clause.

Substitute any other amendment for the 2nd and see if it works: 1st Amendment, 4th Amendment. That just doesn't work.
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Sorry, but the Bill of Rights sets limits on governments, not individuals or private businesses.

At my house (or your house), there are no 1st Amendment rights. Say something I don't like and you will shut up or leave. Do anything religious that I don't like, you'll quit or leave. And you don't have 2nd Amendment rights at my house unless I say so.

The bottom line is that some things have been defined in law as discrimination when done on the basis of certain motivating factors, but none of those laws encompass the 2nd Amendment. If a private property owner wants to include 2A restrictions in a lease, they can if anyone is dumb enough to sign the lease.
 
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fieldgrade said:
From US News...

The Fair Housing Act was originally enacted in 1968 and protects against housing discrimination based on race, color, national origin, religion, sex, disability or family status. Gun ownership is not a protected class under fair housing laws and is therefore subject to potential restrictions or laws based on the state.
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Well dang
 
The way I read it, you’re not restricted from owning firearms or possessing them on the property, just displaying them. Also, as that clause is not part of your current mutual agreement, what was their justification for the eviction?
 
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Is Ted Budd your Congressman?
 
fieldgrade said:
From US News...

The Fair Housing Act was originally enacted in 1968 and protects against housing discrimination based on race, color, national origin, religion, sex, disability or family status. Gun ownership is not a protected class under fair housing laws and is therefore subject to potential restrictions or laws based on the state.
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Guns are my religion. Praise JMB!
 
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