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https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2020/02/05/petition-begun-move-county-to-wv/

Campbell County attorney and conservative activist, Rick Boyer, is following through with a plan to add VEXIT on the 2020 ballot in November.

“People are just realizing the brand new Virginia is not the Virginia I grew up in and my kids are not going to grow up in the same level of freedom that I enjoyed and they want to do something about it,” he said. “I think a large part of Virginia is realizing we are not represented by the current legislation and the current Governor.”

Boyer says the possibility of new gun laws in Virginia, as well as the movement in rural Virginia counties to establish themselves as Second Amendment sanctuaries, inspired his petition aiming to get enough signatures to put the ‘VEXIT’ initiative on the ballot as a referendum.
 
Not a a lawyer on whatever obscure law even deals with this, but I’m fairly certain a county has no legitimate avenue to secede from state. But I could be wrong...
 
Not a a lawyer on whatever obscure law even deals with this, but I’m fairly certain a county has no legitimate avenue to secede from state. But I could be wrong...
You might be right, but its a “warning shot across the bow” ...nothing like exploring options before your pushed to far!
 
You might be right, but its a “warning shot across the bow” ...nothing like exploring options before your pushed to far!
Sure all the political hooplah may have some value. But should be weight in the world of finite resources . Don’t need to be sun tzu or Napoleon to determine fighting enemoies in numerous fronts with futile and valueless conquests is probably not neat idea.
 
Not a a lawyer on whatever obscure law even deals with this, but I’m fairly certain a county has no legitimate avenue to secede from state. But I could be wrong...
Not a a lawyer on whatever obscure law even deals with this, but I’m fairly certain a county has no legitimate avenue to secede from state. But I could be wrong...
i don’t think NC had a legal/ legitimate avenue to secede from the union but they did. Hope a bunch of them do it.
 
i don’t think NC had a legal/ legitimate avenue to secede from the union but they did. Hope a bunch of them do it.
Again not legal scholar here, but I belive there are mechanisms for state to do so, albeit highly discouraged. A county simply doesn’t have to resources to even qualify for being perceived legitimately, either by the contiguous state, let alone nation or the world.

where would food, electric, education blah blah blah come from if no one recognized you as a legitimate state to conduct business with? And quite frankly would be rather easy, almost comical, for the contiguous state to blockade, embargo and even sanction the puny little nothing town...I mean sovereign state....

it’s just too silly to be taken seriously. This isn’t like when Texas threatens to secede. This is some podunk county in VA...we need to just be real here
 
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Such a silly idea it was covered in the Constitution.

Requires approval of both State legislatures and Congress.
You may be right. Not going to go dig it up because it’s absolutely useless either way. My very first post was a disclaimer that I have no idea how it could be done. To my knowledge, a county has no true authority not granted to it BY its parent state. If it were to try to become the 51st state, it would have a whopping GDP of like $18 and fiddy cent and collapse into nonexistence in 2 hours. It would be the biggest waste of effort of the 21st century for some no name county in VA to do this. They might as well just go militia route and fight, as that has 99% chance of happening anyway (wouldn’t happen without resistance). And quite frankly
Getting shot to death sounds a lot cleaner and peaceful than starving to death from blockade of every single resource. Quick lookup shows that county economy based in tobacco. Unless they figured out a way to eat it, good luck. Even the pussy liberals of Virginia would effectively block off a county of 45k people with almost no effort. They could do it with the mailmen, not even the national guard.
 
Again not legal scholar here, but I belive there are mechanisms for state to do so, albeit highly discouraged. A county simply doesn’t have to resources to even qualify for being perceived legitimately, either by the contiguous state, let alone nation or the world.

where would food, electric, education blah blah blah come from if no one recognized you as a legitimate state to conduct business with? And quite frankly would be rather easy, almost comical, for the contiguous state to blockade, embargo and even sanction the puny little nothing town...I mean sovereign state....

it’s just too silly to be taken seriously. This isn’t like when Texas threatens to secede. This is some podunk county in VA...we need to just be real here

So are they going to use state police to try to blockade the federally funded interstate highways? Are they ready for the country boys that would adopt guerrilla tactics to get their roads back? Are they sure it will end well?
This entire situation is a giant case of "stepping in it" and the VA govt is doing their best to save face at this point. I don't see the elites having much stomach for keeping the fight going once those deplorable credulous rubes start picking off the jackboots who back the plan.
Or maybe i'm just dreaming.
 
You may be right. Not going to go dig it up because it’s absolutely useless either way. My very first post was a disclaimer that I have no idea how it could be done. To my knowledge, a county has no true authority not granted to it BY its parent state. If it were to try to become the 51st state, it would have a whopping GDP of like $18 and fiddy cent and collapse into nonexistence in 2 hours. It would be the biggest waste of effort of the 21st century for some no name county in VA to do this. They might as well just go militia route and fight, as that has 99% chance of happening anyway (wouldn’t happen without resistance). And quite frankly
Getting shot to death sounds a lot cleaner and peaceful than starving to death from blockade of every single resource. Quick lookup shows that county economy based in tobacco. Unless they figured out a way to eat it, good luck. Even the pussy liberals of Virginia would effectively block off a county of 45k people with almost no effort. They could do it with the mailmen, not even the national guard.

Just for the record, they're talking about leaving VA and becoming part of WV, not becoming an independent entity.
 
Again not legal scholar here, but I belive there are mechanisms for state to do so, albeit highly discouraged. A county simply doesn’t have to resources to even qualify for being perceived legitimately, either by the contiguous state, let alone nation or the world.

where would food, electric, education blah blah blah come from if no one recognized you as a legitimate state to conduct business with? And quite frankly would be rather easy, almost comical, for the contiguous state to blockade, embargo and even sanction the puny little nothing town...I mean sovereign state....

it’s just too silly to be taken seriously. This isn’t like when Texas threatens to secede. This is some podunk county in VA...we need to just be real here

So.. some podunk county eh? The same podunk's that showed up en masse at the Capitol and is literally fighting the front line of a war on our Constitution... the same war that drove you from the North to NC to enjoy the freedom's that have not been infringed... yet?

Remember the link I gave you when you first came on CFF. Read. It. Again.

VEXIT is being discussed very, very seriously around the dinner tables and at County Meetings. Yes, there is a "legal mechanism" for a county to leave one state and join another:

1. The Free State of McDowell in 1860
2. Frederick County, Virginia need only a county vote and they would be in WV... that is from Virginia v West Virginia.. over 150 years ago.

There is another way to that is not a "by the book" mechanism:

3. "Just do as free men have done on the Southern Highlands and tell the Va Assembly BFYTW"

What would Virginia Do? Send armed troops in to stop the allegiance to WV? Once again, Read. It. Again. Virginia is going to start a war over people leaving? Even the Ukraine did not take such initiative when Crimea went to Russia.

Food, Electric and Education in these Counties are plentiful, in fact better than the rest of the Commonwealth or even that "Enlightened" country you hail from. In fact, they have everything they need to get along just fine without Richmond. Think District 12 in the Hunger Games, except we ain't that bad off. And no more Beef, Corn, Electricity, NG or Coal for Virginia to Tax.... we will do our own exporting and use the Commerce Act to ship it to Charleston instead of Northfolk. We are a very, very capable breed of people.

You said, "... we need just be real here". I suggest you take a ride this weekend up to Campbell County up to Tazewell County and head west to Wise, Dickenson, Russell and Grayson Counties... talk to people on the street and ask them how serious they are.

And I would suggest not calling them "podunk" if you were to venture up mountain. While we (SWVA) can use that word without fear of retribution, YOU have nary the bona fides, roots or trust to associate any label on these people and their self-determination.

Remember, you are technically a North Carolinian. But you do not have true citizenship.,.. yet. Throwing labels and taking our viable solutions lightly is exactly what the Carpetbaggers in Fairfax Co. Virginia is undertaking right now that started this mess.

And yes... I am taking issue with your labeling.. and I am being very diplomatic about it.
 
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If people want change and are willing to enact it while standing behind the power of a gun, i.e. willing to kill to get it, they will get change.

Send in your state po po or even the NG and you’re going to face two simultaneous problems: one is people refusing to go because they don’t want to get killed (it’s easy to enforce “law” on a compliant populace but not so much with a hostile one), and two an unwillingness to kill masses who haven’t done anything. Invade their territory and watch the resistance movement come to life.

This whole concept of needing permission or “authority” to secede from the parent is silly. It smacks of pompous politicians that think their stupid words and babble are force.
 
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So.. some podunk county eh? The same podunk's that showed up en masse at the Capitol and is literally fighting the front line of a war on our Constitution... the same war that drove you from the North to NC to enjoy the freedom's that have not been infringed... yet?

Remember the link I gave you when you first came on CFF. Read. It. Again.

VEXIT is being discussed very, very seriously around the dinner tables and at County Meetings. Yes, there is a "legal mechanism" for a county to leave one state and join another:

1. The Free State of McDowell in 1860
2. Frederick County, Virginia need only a county vote and they would be in WV... that is from Virginia v West Virginia.. over 150 years ago.

There is another way to that is not a "by the book" mechanism:

3. "Just do as free men have done on the Southern Highlands and tell the Va Assembly BFYTW"

What would Virginia Do? Send armed troops in to stop the allegiance to WV? Once again, Read. It. Again. Virginia is going to start a war over people leaving? Even the Ukraine did not take such initiative when Crimea went to Russia.

Food, Electric and Education in these Counties are plentiful, in fact better than the rest of the Commonwealth or even that "Enlightened" country you hail from. In fact, they have everything they need to get along just fine without Richmond. Think District 12 in the Hunger Games, except we ain't that bad off. And no more Beef, Corn, Electricity, NG or Coal for Virginia to Tax.... we will do our own exporting and use the Commerce Act to ship it to Charleston instead of Northfolk. We are a very, very capable breed of people.

You said, "... we need just be real here". I suggest you take a ride this weekend up to Campbell County up to Tazewell County and head west to Wise, Dickenson, Russell and Grayson Counties... talk to people on the street and ask them how serious they are.

And I would suggest not calling them "podunk" if you were to venture up mountain. While we (SWVA) can use that word without fear of retribution, YOU have nary the bona fides, roots or trust to associate any label on these people and their self-determination.

Remember, you are technically a North Carolinian. But you do not have true citizenship.,.. yet. Throwing labels and taking our viable solutions lightly is exactly what the Carpetbaggers in Fairfax Co. Virginia is undertaking right now that started this mess.

And yes... I am taking issue with your labeling.. and I am being very diplomatic about it.
I was born and raised on top of a mountain in southwest Virginia and lived there for almost 50 years. I can assure you that @VA_GENTLEMAN is 100% dead on. Southwest Virginia is still what the other parts of Virginia used to be. From about Bedford county to the east is nothing like the rest of the state.
 
It’ll be interesting to watch, but I fully expect it to fail. Why would congress approve a non-contiguous county to become part of another state? Now if it turns into a movement and 5 or 6 counties that in aggregate are on the state line and if VA supports the departure and if the federal government is willing to shuffle their subsidies then maybe.

Maybe this just a symbolic gesture, maybe it’s just a way to distract the legislature so they get less work done, but whatever it is you have to appreciate that they are taking a stand.
 
My wife is from Wise Co. and most of her extended family still lives there. Having visited and meeting some of the folks, if they want to leave, they'll leave. If I were state police or NG, I would not want to be sent to reign in a bunch of "podunk" coal miners who have been living and hunting those hills for generations. As the saying goes "Don't poke the bear".
 
My wife is from Wise Co. and most of her extended family still lives there. Having visited and meeting some of the folks, if they want to leave, they'll leave. If I were state police or NG, I would not want to be sent to reign in a bunch of "podunk" coal miners who have been living and hunting those hills for generations. As the saying goes "Don't poke the bear".

You are my tribe... My wife is also from Wise Co. We always laugh that our hometowns were the same place, just different names.
 
It’ll be interesting to watch, but I fully expect it to fail. Why would congress approve a non-contiguous county to become part of another state? Now if it turns into a movement and 5 or 6 counties that in aggregate are on the state line and if VA supports the departure and if the federal government is willing to shuffle their subsidies then maybe.

Maybe this just a symbolic gesture, maybe it’s just a way to distract the legislature so they get less work done, but whatever it is you have to appreciate that they are taking a stand.

I agree with this sentiment. My family and I were talking about this the other night when Tazewell Co. announced their open discussion to consider WV's offer. If Tazewell, was to go, that would open up Bland, then Wythe, then Carroll, etc... The VA adjacent counties would have to start and then it would have to be a domino effect.

I can not confirm or deny that some discussion is being held among the non-contiguous counties with these adjacent counties. It one makes a move to go... there is a good chance many will follow as they then become adjacent "apud pórtum".
 
Nothing wrong with exploring your options. Wouldn’t surprise me at all to see several counties make this move. Richmond might even back it, if it meant it diluted the conservative presence in the state and seals their liberal agenda politically.
 
You are my tribe... My wife is also from Wise Co. We always laugh that our hometowns were the same place, just different names.
Funny thing is, the guy that owns my wife's company is from there too. She had no idea until they were chatting one day and she asked where he was from. He mentioned Norton and her jaw hit the floor! They had no idea they were from the same area.
 
Again not legal scholar here, but I belive there are mechanisms for state to do so, albeit highly discouraged. A county simply doesn’t have to resources to even qualify for being perceived legitimately, either by the contiguous state, let alone nation or the world.

where would food, electric, education blah blah blah come from if no one recognized you as a legitimate state to conduct business with? And quite frankly would be rather easy, almost comical, for the contiguous state to blockade, embargo and even sanction the puny little nothing town...I mean sovereign state....

it’s just too silly to be taken seriously. This isn’t like when Texas threatens to secede. This is some podunk county in VA...we need to just be real here
I think the idea is that certain VA counties would become West Virginia counties and not their own state.
 
So are they going to use state police to try to blockade the federally funded interstate highways? Are they ready for the country boys that would adopt guerrilla tactics to get their roads back? Are they sure it will end well?
This entire situation is a giant case of "stepping in it" and the VA govt is doing their best to save face at this point. I don't see the elites having much stomach for keeping the fight going once those deplorable credulous rubes start picking off the jackboots who back the plan.
Or maybe i'm just dreaming.

I think state would interfere with highway, yes. They would likely get federal cooperation to do so or use some obscure emergency act that allows them to or whatever. And no, I don’t think they are ready to fight then, I think fighting is the better option of the two IFFF it’s a 51st state matter. But have since learned about the county integration concept w/ WV and that deprioritizes armed co flirt so far as I can tell.
 
Nothing wrong with exploring your options. Wouldn’t surprise me at all to see several counties make this move. Richmond might even back it, if it meant it diluted the conservative presence in the state and seals their liberal agenda politically.
That's something I'm always wary of.
the liberal part of virginia will retain its two senate votes, west virginia will not gain more senate seats. VA may lose a couple of house seats... but if those seats go to conservatives/republicans anyway, have they really lost anything or just consolidated their death grip on power?
Everybody always talks about splitting california up... but if you look at how their districts vote and where all the proposed 2-3 state plans fit with the voting geography, there's no way to get enough conservative votes in any area to do any good for "our" side. All it would do is flip the senate to blue time until the end of time.
 
That's something I'm always wary of.
the liberal part of virginia will retain its two senate votes, west virginia will not gain more senate seats. VA may lose a couple of house seats... but if those seats go to conservatives/republicans anyway, have they really lost anything or just consolidated their death grip on power?
Everybody always talks about splitting california up... but if you look at how their districts vote and where all the proposed 2-3 state plans fit with the voting geography, there's no way to get enough conservative votes in any area to do any good for "our" side. All it would do is flip the senate to blue time until the end of time.

It would have to be thought through. There is a saying that West Virginia stops at Beckley. Mercer County, McDowell County (worse in USA), Mingo and Logan Counties (Tough Hillbillies up there) are severely underfunded from Charleston. If everything West of the Blue Ridge Escartment went West Virginia (Clinch, New River and Shenandoah Valley's) a LOT of Tax Base would go to West Virginia. And actually would help those counties in WV. There is a lot of Farming, Mining, Technology, Land, Corporations and Retail to bolster the WV Coffers....

Become a West Virginian or live under Tyranny in Virginia. It will be a net gain of 1 Senate Seat.. .Manchin would be gone. (He's going to be gone after 4 years anyway). Virginia may be able to pry Warner out of his seat this year.. but I doubt it..

Wise is being courted by KY... Bristol courted by TN... Grayson maybe NC... The only thing I know, is that many many conversations are being held and what would steps be if this continues into 2021... Crossover day is coming soon and then no more bills can be brought. Much can happen.
 
So.. some podunk county eh? The same podunk's that showed up en masse at the Capitol and is literally fighting the front line of a war on our Constitution... the same war that drove you from the North to NC to enjoy the freedom's that have not been infringed... yet?

Remember the link I gave you when you first came on CFF. Read. It. Again.

VEXIT is being discussed very, very seriously around the dinner tables and at County Meetings. Yes, there is a "legal mechanism" for a county to leave one state and join another:

1. The Free State of McDowell in 1860
2. Frederick County, Virginia need only a county vote and they would be in WV... that is from Virginia v West Virginia.. over 150 years ago.

There is another way to that is not a "by the book" mechanism:

3. "Just do as free men have done on the Southern Highlands and tell the Va Assembly BFYTW"

What would Virginia Do? Send armed troops in to stop the allegiance to WV? Once again, Read. It. Again. Virginia is going to start a war over people leaving? Even the Ukraine did not take such initiative when Crimea went to Russia.

Food, Electric and Education in these Counties are plentiful, in fact better than the rest of the Commonwealth or even that "Enlightened" country you hail from. In fact, they have everything they need to get along just fine without Richmond. Think District 12 in the Hunger Games, except we ain't that bad off. And no more Beef, Corn, Electricity, NG or Coal for Virginia to Tax.... we will do our own exporting and use the Commerce Act to ship it to Charleston instead of Northfolk. We are a very, very capable breed of people.

You said, "... we need just be real here". I suggest you take a ride this weekend up to Campbell County up to Tazewell County and head west to Wise, Dickenson, Russell and Grayson Counties... talk to people on the street and ask them how serious they are.

And I would suggest not calling them "podunk" if you were to venture up mountain. While we (SWVA) can use that word without fear of retribution, YOU have nary the bona fides, roots or trust to associate any label on these people and their self-determination.

Remember, you are technically a North Carolinian. But you do not have true citizenship.,.. yet. Throwing labels and taking our viable solutions lightly is exactly what the Carpetbaggers in Fairfax Co. Virginia is undertaking right now that started this mess.

And yes... I am taking issue with your labeling.. and I am being very diplomatic about it.

I am from Caldwell County in Western North Carolina. It is the land of white pine and moonshine. Where men are still men.

Though I am not from Virginia, for what it is worth, I am with you.

There might be a strong correlation between elevation and culture.
 
I am from Caldwell County in Western North Carolina. It is the land of white pine and moonshine. Where men are still men.

Though I am not from Virginia, for what it is worth, I am with you.

There might be a strong correlation between elevation and culture.

We are indeed the same cut of cloth Sir... even though I chose Business over Coal Mining and Farming (but when I retire, I will do my Farming) I came to WNC over NOVA and NYC because it's just like home.
 
it’s just too silly to be taken seriously. This isn’t like when Texas threatens to secede. This is some podunk county in VA...we need to just be real here

Carroll / Grayson counties.

Those are MY people and they are as real as it gets.
 
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I knew WV was courting and had the legal invitation out there. I hadn’t heard about TN and N.C. talking with Grayson. I’ve got a cabin in Grayson.
 
I knew WV was courting and had the legal invitation out there. I hadn’t heard about TN and N.C. talking with Grayson. I’ve got a cabin in Grayson.

Grayson was a little speculation on my part due to the proximity of Borders. TN, KY has not made official overtures... but it's being .... "what-if'd"? ... maybe that is the word I am looking for.. ;)
 
What would Virginia Do? Send armed troops in to stop the allegiance to WV? Once again, Read. It. Again. Virginia is going to start a war over people leaving?
These days I'm not so sure anymore. Northam was seriously talking about using the National Guard to enforce the laws for a bit. These people are insanely power-hungry and can't stand to let ANYONE live NOT under their control.

It may not be this time around, but it's coming, I'm certain.
 
My wife is from Wise Co. and most of her extended family still lives there. Having visited and meeting some of the folks, if they want to leave, they'll leave. If I were state police or NG, I would not want to be sent to reign in a bunch of "podunk" coal miners who have been living and hunting those hills for generations. As the saying goes "Don't poke the bear".
The concept brings to mind Russia and Afghanistan
 
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Gentlemen my history with the Commonwealth only goes back to about 1634 (first relative born on Va ground) and they moved into the interior roughly 80 years later. My people have been in SWVA ever since along with members of my clan in WNC. All we have ever known is hard work and walking on the side of a hill. The comments made previously were obviously made by somebody not in tune with the culture and people. It’s easy to think everything outside of NORVA and Richmond is backwoods and uneducated. There’s a certain amount of that but I’ve seen that same mentality in Winston, Charlotte and dare I say Chapel Hill. To belittle a place as “podunk” when all they want is to not have their rights trampled by an increasingly overbearing government is to spit in the face of all like minded people. For my part I still have many friends and kin still in the Commonwealth. I spend not near enough time there but I would like to be able to enjoy my time without a fear of being jacked up over violating a law that is an infringement on my rights. The support of people within the same culture (guns) that I enjoy would be much appreciated. Whether you agree with the means or not we must have a united front to maintain what we have.
 
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