Why Do You Open Carry?

If I am going up in the woods or out to the range is about the only time I open carry. And by that I mean IWB with a grock 19 in it. With shirt mostly over it.

Thats the only time I do. Mostly because I am lazy. And if I can't pick it up and click it on while walking out the door, I'll probably just keep walking. Which is why 99% of the time its a glock42 in an IWB clip on holster. Easy.
 
I bought my carry guns with CCW in mind, so I typically do not open carry. My daily carry is usually a S&W airweight 38 or a ruger compact 9mm.

Sometimes when I'm out grocery shopping (usually at Walmart) I'll see someone open carrying. I've never noticed anyone making a big deal of it, but I do check out what they're carrying. Guns run from cheap 380's to potentially expensive 1911's, but the open carriers I've seen universally use the cheap Uncle Mikes nylon holsters.

I chalk it up to ignorance. They probably assume its just a "pouch for a gun" When I bought my first handgun at 21, I felt the same way. Didn't understand why anyone would spend $$$ on leather or kydex when the walmart holster carried "just as good". Needless to say as I got older, I got wiser.
 
I open carry because I find Iā€™m able to whip it out more quickly. ;)

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I OC regularly when Iā€™m working around the farm here. The only time I do it away from here is if I need a part or some lumber or lunch while Iā€™m working. Summertime gets interesting as my options start to thin.
 
It's more comfortable and/or convenient at the time.
I'm not looking to make any political statements or change anyone's mind-set.
 
Before state gave me permission and had me pay to exercise my right to carry, I would open carry. I am comfortable open carrying as I've done it in many states over the decades and down range. Totally comfortable conceal carrying too.


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I open carried for about a year and it was an eye opening experience for me in many ways.

It felt good to no longer hide my gun like an ugly hairy wart, almost liberating. That's one reason why the anti crowd hates OC, they want us to have to at least have to hide it and be concerned about being seen. They also hate it because it normalizes carrying guns if people see you and nothing actually happens. This is the ultimate anathema to their goals.

I used professional gear so I was mistaken for a cop on an almost regular basis which led to a number of rather amusing situations. (I never claimed to be one and always stated that I wasn't if asked).

The most amazing thing was that I soon realized that a large percentage of people didn't even see my gun. They did not see and ignore it, they were actually too unaware of their surroundings to even notice it in the first place. I could have carried a battle axe slung over my shoulder, they would not have noticed that either.

On the whole I had no real issues and came to realize that perhaps all the hooplah about OC was rather overblown, you do not immediately get rushed by police or tackled by somebody who tries to get your gun. While these things have of course happened they seem to be more of an exception that the norm.
 
SC resident here, but I travel a lot. And I'm originally from Indiana, long ago.

I have nothing against OC, but I believe it's a personal decision and, like anything else, subject to the individual's judgment for or against.

Being a SC resident, OC is not a consideration unless I'm hunting or fishing. The state specifically does not allow it otherwise.

However, I likely wouldn't OC much outside of those circumstances anyway, for two major reasons:

1. From a practical standpoint, I'm not equipped to. My carry holster is an IWB Milt Sparks Criterion, which does not have any kind of positive retention strap. My carry gun is held firmly in the holster by the form fitting leather and the spring clamp pressure built into the mouth of the holster. While I don't believe that, in itself, would be "bad" for simple open carry retention, it's not the added security I would like for routine OC retention or for OC retention against a potential snatch attempt.

2. While I really don't care what other people may think when they see someone open carrying, I do care about minimizing my profile with respect to attention. Concealed carry allows me to "slide under the radar" in so many ways, and being unnoticed and underestimated has some pretty good factors going for it.

On the subject of laws concerning this, I wish SC would lighten up on this. You could be cited for violation of SC OC laws if someone even catches a glimpse of your weapon...even by printing. I never have been, and likely this would fall under "officer discretion" for the circumstances.

And when you travel...most definitely do a little research of the various jurisdictional laws.

In most states, you simply fall under their laws. Traveling in NC, for example, I can OC.

However, Indiana has their own sneaky caveat...it's also written into their laws that whatever limitations your state of residence has also applies to you while carrying in Indiana. So, while OC is legal in Indiana with a permit, it's NOT legal for me because SC prohibits it.

Go figure.
 
I'm not against it, but I most likely wouldn't do it, if it were legal here.

I can still remember the event that lead me to that decision several years ago. I was standing in line at a Walmart register and a cop was in front of me. His Glock was pretty much mine for the taking. He was in front of me long enough and close enough that I could have reached out and took it.

Of course, I would not be so foolish, but it did make a heckuva "what if" impression on me. Like, what if that was me with my gun standing where the cop was? What are the odds that the person behind me makes the decision that today is the day he shows the world how he feels about things?

It sounds silly, I know.
 
I'm not against it, but I most likely wouldn't do it, if it were legal here.

I can still remember the event that lead me to that decision several years ago. I was standing in line at a Walmart register and a cop was in front of me. His Glock was pretty much mine for the taking. He was in front of me long enough and close enough that I could have reached out and took it.

Of course, I would not be so foolish, but it did make a heckuva "what if" impression on me. Like, what if that was me with my gun standing where the cop was? What are the odds that the person behind me makes the decision that today is the day he shows the world how he feels about things?

It sounds silly, I know.
Not silly.
 
I'm not against it, but I most likely wouldn't do it, if it were legal here.

I can still remember the event that lead me to that decision several years ago. I was standing in line at a Walmart register and a cop was in front of me. His Glock was pretty much mine for the taking. He was in front of me long enough and close enough that I could have reached out and took it.

Of course, I would not be so foolish, but it did make a heckuva "what if" impression on me. Like, what if that was me with my gun standing where the cop was? What are the odds that the person behind me makes the decision that today is the day he shows the world how he feels about things?

It sounds silly, I know.
I have thought this many times. I used to be in education, middle schhol, and the resource officer always stood near kids that could easily grab it...i stood behind him one day waiting as he spoke to a parent. It would have been beyond easy to grab it and shove him to gain a couple feet distance. The population we served were not fans of police, which was always very clear...the worst were the young RO trying to make a couple bucks. Flirting with teachers and oblivious to angry parents, and kids looking to lash out. This and the fact that i almost always carry in private/ public, with my own children and wife always near by i never wanted any confrontation or weirdo lib types accosting me publicly with my wee lil ones close by.
 
Be clean and respectably dressed and above all be even more respectful and polite than I know you already are. :D And please no mega tactical crap (drop leg holsters, tactical vests, etc.).

This part! I preach it to all that seek advice from me. You have an obligation to practice routinely, equip correctly ( a flash light is the first thing you should be pulling, statistically speaking. Good holster, etc.), and be beyond reproach if it all possible.
 
I personally donā€™t open carry, mainly cause I donā€™t want others to know Iā€™m carrying.
Doesnā€™t mean I havenā€™t open carried in the past, but always with a good retention holster and being aware of my surroundings.

Main place I see people doing it in my area (Fuquay/Garner/Cary) is at Walmart or Target, most often with a Glock variate only a cheap holster. I try to stay away from those people, mainly cause in my mind when I see that I immediately think this person doesnā€™t have enough training. I even had one guys gun almost fall out of holster while behind him at Walmart

only one Iā€™ve ever seen here in NC carrying openly I commended was someone carrying a 1911 in a retention holster nicely dressed.


Saw it more when I was living in WA, but mainly dudes in the military who lived off base .
 
I open carry more in the summer. Springfield xd is not a pocket gun. And yes a good retention holster.

a few stores I visit actually have thanked me for carrying.

walked by some cops going in or out of stores and they would look and just nod.

easing Walmart one time. I was an isle ahead of the wife and passed a couple pushing a cart with two kids in tow. My wife said as she walked by them the guy said to his wife. Did you see that. Heā€™s got a gun. My wife told me that a few minutes later. If I would of heard that, then I would of taken the time and offer them a little education on that.
 
I open carry more in the summer. Springfield xd is not a pocket gun. And yes a good retention holster.

a few stores I visit actually have thanked me for carrying.

walked by some cops going in or out of stores and they would look and just nod.

easing Walmart one time. I was an isle ahead of the wife and passed a couple pushing a cart with two kids in tow. My wife said as she walked by them the guy said to his wife. Did you see that. Heā€™s got a gun. My wife told me that a few minutes later. If I would of heard that, then I would of taken the time and offer them a little education on that.

IMO you did educate them by not paying them any attention for gawking. If they want to know more, there's always the search option on the interwebs / smart phone. They can ask Alexa
"Alexa, is a man walking with a holstered gun in Walmart completely legal in NC?" .
 
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IMO you did educate them by not paying them any attention for gawking. If they want to know more, there's always the search option on the interwebs / smart phone. They can ask Alexa
"Alexa, is a man walking with a holstered gun in Walmart completely legal in NC?" .

those people I let walk because I did not hear it. I have had some that I actually heard say something and I kindly reply. Itā€™s my right to. I have had some walk away and a few actually wanted to know more about it.
 
Most of the open carriers can be spotted before ever noticing the gun, by their demeanor . A little disconcerting. I imagine "normies" get really nervous and more anti-gun from such encounters. The popular non- retention holsters anywhere you seriously might need a handgun seems an extra reckless attraction. A lot of risk and negative juice only to prove - exactly what?
 
Most of the open carriers can be spotted before ever noticing the gun, by their demeanor . A little disconcerting. I imagine "normies" get really nervous and more anti-gun from such encounters. The popular non- retention holsters anywhere you seriously might need a handgun seems an extra reckless attraction. A lot of risk and negative juice only to prove - exactly what?
Like the twenty something guy who swaggerd in to the restaurant Sunday.
Spotted the XD in his Uncle Mike's holster on his Walmart belt as he entered. The oversized white framed sunglasses on a cloudy day that screamed look a me I got a gun. I'm so cool.
He stood in the middle of the restaurant
Doing a full turn as he selected where he wanted to set so everyone could get a good look at his XD in all its Glory.
Before he could choose the manger walked up an pointed out the no weapons sign on the door told him he was welcome to stay but he'd have to lose the XD, company policy don't you know.
My wife and I both carrying concealed just gave each other a little grin and finished enjoying our breakfast
 
Most of the open carriers can be spotted before ever noticing the gun, by their demeanor . A little disconcerting. I imagine "normies" get really nervous and more anti-gun from such encounters. The popular non- retention holsters anywhere you seriously might need a handgun seems an extra reckless attraction. A lot of risk and negative juice only to prove - exactly what?

Meh. I don't know about this.

The way your statement reads, if you look at it, is that most people who OC are obvious about it by how they carry themselves (whether they're "d*ckheads", "nervous", "arrogant", or whatever this demeanor may be).

I'd go so far as to say something like "Most d*ckheads can be spotted by their demeanor, and SOME of them may be open carriers". D*ckheads tend to stand out and grab attention more so than other people, OC or not.

I don't see very many people who "stand out" to me for any reason at all when they open carry. Once in a while, yeah.
 
I find the derision aimed at people OCing rather disturbing. For starters, there are times in people's lives where the 200 or so dollars for getting a permission slip to CC do make a difference particularly if OC costs nothing. I have been there myself.

Secondly OC is a traditional right in NC. If nobody is doing it anymore there is no practical difference to loosing the right. This reminds me of the "Oh, I don't have any assault rifles, I don't care about new laws!". Guess what they will come for what you have, too.

Last, if you carry past a posted sign you are breaking the law. It does not matter if you are not caught because you are not OCing. Stealing is not okay or legal just because you are not caught, either.
 
I do it because it feels more comfortable and natural to carry a 4" revolver or a 1911 in a low rise Wild Bunch style holster than it does to press a Glock 19 up into my copious love handles with the muzzle down my britches, then draping a Tommy Bahama blouse over it like I'm fooling a damn soul. The only reason I don't open carry at work is because I am frequently 'trespassing' in folks' yards.

I grew up with guns in a family with guns in a town with guns. We grew up working outside, sometimes needing a pistol for the job at hand, and taking a belt off just to take the holster off just to run to the gas station wasn't in the question. Any political, personal, or emotional response you may have to something as natural looking as my grizzly, ugly ass having a pistol on my hip gives me a lot more information about you than any you've garnered from my appearance.
 
Meh. I don't know about this.

The way your statement reads, if you look at it, is that most people who OC are obvious about it by how they carry themselves (whether they're "d*ckheads", "nervous", "arrogant", or whatever this demeanor may be).

I'd go so far as to say something like "Most d*ckheads can be spotted by their demeanor, and SOME of them may be open carriers". D*ckheads tend to stand out and grab attention more so than other people, OC or not.

I don't see very many people who "stand out" to me for any reason at all when they open carry. Once in a while, yeah.

Sometimes their posts give them away long before you've seen them. ;)
 
Open carry puts one in the spot light so to speak. Like it or not, most people react nervously. If the person seems a little off, jacked up edgy, or just plain sloppy/ignorant, it's worse. An aggressive - it's my right! - attitude makes people wish otherwise. Don't think they won't work against it either! Dress neat. Be polite. Smile. Keep moving.
 
I can see some merit to the argument that the one that is open carry might be the first target, but I think in reality that most would be robbers and assaulters would think twice about messing with someone with a gun strapped on their side. There is no doubt in my mind that store owners that openly carry in their place of business help reduce robberies. I heard one cop say that he thinks that store owners that open carry invite criminals to come in with guns blazing, but I believe that most would think twice and go to a store that look less prepared. I travel to NC 3-4 times a week and one thing that does sort of surprise me is I hardly see anyone open carry in rural areas, only in towns.
 
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Carried openly off and on since 2011, after educating myself with lessons and the pamphlet posted on OCDO. My experience is that the vast majority of people never notice. Some notice and nod. Some notice and start a conversation. Very, very few notice and think there's a problem. I used to carry a stack of trifold pamphlets from OCDO pointing out the legality of OC and pass them out to people who would say anything positive or negative. I always did this as politely as a shoe shine boy looking for a tip.

My reasons were the same as many others here: 1) educating the masses, and 2) my comfort.

I tend to conduct myself at the highest level of awareness when practicing OC, including standing with my back to the candy rack while waiting to check out at the grocery store so my holster is less visible and less of a temptation for someone thinking of grabbing the gun. Try it for yourself and notice that your alert level goes way up.

These are my opinions based on my experiences. Your opinions will be based on your experiences, and will almost certainly be different than mine. YMMV.
 
Last, if you carry past a posted sign you are breaking the law
The sign in question must have been worded so it didn't apply to cc because they asked the young gentleman to leave, but didn't come to our table and say anything to us. Since I didn't see the sign either I can't be sure
I also speed, jaywalk, and fail to recycle occasionally, but don't we all
 
Oh how I do love threads like this because you can just smell the FUDD come pouring off people.

As long as you are safe and responsible, I donā€™t care if you strap a claymore to the front of your b00gerloo ride and cruise High Point while I am shopping for whatever my wife needs.

Last I checked, this was still a version of America. OC that bad boy. If you are targeted first because of some FUDD laden anxiety come to life, then rock and roll...you draw fire; Iā€™ll suppress the threat.

To hades with all the Karenā€™s and Kyles of the world who pray to speak to the manager about your horrid OC gun that makes them; and by proxy because they are crap parents, their children uncomfortable.

Simple fact is I donā€™t OC because I work for a bank. I donā€™t mind the goofy cover garment over an OWB holster because I am married and my ā€œtrying to impressā€ people bone melted about 12 years ago.


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Indiana has their own sneaky caveat...it's also written into their laws that whatever limitations your state of residence has also applies to you while carrying in Indiana. So, while OC is legal in Indiana with a permit, it's NOT legal for me because SC prohibits it.
Wow, it is difficult to imagine how at least half of the entire legislative body of the State of South Carolina thought such a stupid law would reduce crime or have any positive benefit to anyone. NC has it's share of pointless gun laws, I'm not making any comparisons, but this one is about the worst I've ever heard of.
 
I can see some merit to the argument that the one that is open carry might be the first target, but I think in reality that most would be robbers and assaulters would think twice about messing with someone with a gun strapped on their side.

Not necessarily. It depends on the totality of the circumstances, as in everything else in life.

Which is why it's of prime importance, regardless of how you carry (indeed, even if you DON'T carry) that one is alert to one's surroundings.

For example, a person who is bent upon a violent attack will gauge the measure of his violence based on his perceived threat and opportunity. If you obviously have a weapon, then his chosen means of attack will likely be of a more lethal variety.

Put yourself in the shoes of an attacker committed to the act: Your chosen victim is obviously armed, walking through a secluded park area in the early evening. Nobody is around. Instead of risking a direct confrontation, you lie in wait and shoot your victim from where he can't see you. Take his wallet and run. Time spent? Seconds. Risk to self? Minimal.

Obviously, this is a chosen scenario to illustrate an example. And, like any other example, does not reflect the totality of all circumstances.

Which is the point...one can no more say that OC will deter any given attacker under any given circumstance than another.

OC or CC as one sees fit. But DON'T overgeneralize to the point where you're essentially lying to yourself and thereby placing yourself on unsound ground.

The important aspect of either OC or CC is the "carry" part. Exercise sound logic and reasoning either way you choose, and don't put on blinders about it.
 
Put yourself in the shoes of an attacker committed to the act: Your chosen victim is obviously armed, walking through a secluded park area in the early evening. Nobody is around. Instead of risking a direct confrontation, you lie in wait and shoot your victim from where he can't see you. Take his wallet and run. Time spent? Seconds. Risk to self? Minimal.

Why even change MO? Just shoot and rob. What you "think" will happen is irrelevant.
 
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Why even change MO? Just shoot and rob. What you "think" will happen is irrelevant.

Even your assumption that the attacker's MO is immutable is just that...and assumption.

All of the posting here have pretty much been conditional, one way or another, with respect to the opinion on OC or CC. My closing point was what was important: that one OC or CC as they see fit but NOT to over generalize to one extent or another. The decision should always be made with sound logic and reasoning, not blindly adhered to either way.
 
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