Wilmington, NC officer demoted after telling driver not to video record him

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Two years ago and only now the lying officer is demoted with a pay reduction.

Officer told the driver it is against the law, a new law. Driver is a lawyer and driving UBER for the money.
Five officers, K9 and sheriff deputies because the driver stopped at a drug house while the passenger went inside and then left the house.
The passenger was arrested for posession said he was getting his paycheck, he is a hair stylist. VBG?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cop-told-driver-not-record-110925967.html

 
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Ouch. I almost felt the punishment was a bit harsh until I read the article. Sounds like officer was being a bit of a Dee.

I’ve had to video police encounter before and everyone involved was beyond polite. I was videographing for objective evidence, not to make any noise. I never posted it to social media or YouTube or anything stupid. Not only was it uneventful, but was also not my intent. Police are not judges and your backyard not a court of law, just made sure I covered my @$$, or his if that’s how it turned out (but I knew I was right)
 
B00ger said:
So...we are going to do the “police never police themselves” on a case where the officer was punished by his department...


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I'm in Wilmington and have a few degrees of separation but know some things... this took 2 years because the police wanted this to be forgotten and go away.
If this hadn't been a lawyer that wouldn't let it be brushed under the rug it would have been.

So yes, this is a "police prefer not to police themselves" issue.
 
Rob said:
I'm in Wilmington and have a few degrees of separation but know some things... this took 2 years because the police wanted this to be forgotten and go away.
If this hadn't been a lawyer that wouldn't let it be brushed under the rug it would have been.

So yes, this is a "police prefer not to police themselves" issue.
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But...he literally got demoted...so...despite it not meeting your time line, he was punished.


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Infamous1 said:
Do you think it would have taken 2 years to put the lawyer in jail if his uber customer would have dropped a bag of meth in the seat?
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Perhaps. With due process for a criminal offense it can take a while. And with an attorney worth half his salt if it was a dirty search then the whole thing would be dismissed.

I get it guys, police screw up. And when they do we call them out. These cops screwed up. But despite what we wish was a proper timeline, he did get punished. Let’s concentrate on those that don’t.


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But, he (the cop) was only punished because he wronged someone that knew how to defend themselves and was not intimidated by the uniform.
This was not going away like (IMHO) other situations do.
 
B00ger said:
So...we are going to do the “police never police themselves” on a case where the officer was punished by his department...


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The other officer's at the traffic stop, did nothing to stop the cop from acting illegally.
 
Rob said:
But, he (the cop) was only punished because he wronged someone that knew how to defend themselves and was not intimidated by the uniform.
This was not going away like (IMHO) other situations do.
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Think about this for just a minute.

The police stop breaking the law only because some citizen makes them stop breaking the law. They certainly didn't do it of their own volition or initiative.

I think it's fair to assume that anyone who chooses a profession within the criminal justice system is either, a) a strong proponent of consequences for breaking the law, or b) they are personally ambivalent about it but accept it in exchange for a decent salary, great benefits package and the ability to work for twenty years and collect a retirement check for forty.

And then some commoner comes along and ruins it all by making them stop breaking the law.

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B00ger said:
Ok, got it. All cops are garbage and never get punished.


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Dude it's not worth it. People will find anything to be critical about on this subject. Like last week it was remarks about someone's avatar because they liked a TV character that was a dirty cop. Then equated them to the dirty cop because they said something different than the group.
 
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Cowboy said:
Dude it's not worth it. People will find anything to be critical about on this subject. Like last week it was remarks about someone's avatar because they liked a TV character that was a dirty cop. Then equated them to the dirty cop because they said something different than that particular troll.
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FIFY
 
Howland said:
Think about this for just a minute.

The police stop breaking the law only because some citizen makes them stop breaking the law. They certainly didn't do it of their own volition or initiative.

I think it's fair to assume that anyone who chooses a profession within the criminal justice system is either, a) a strong proponent of consequences for breaking the law, or b) they are personally ambivalent about it but accept it in exchange for a decent salary, great benefits package and the ability to work for twenty years and collect a retirement check for forty.

And then some commoner comes along and ruins it all by making them stop breaking the law.

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Maybe their parents were good hard working folks maybe one an appliance repair man and the other a social worker making 13 dollars and hour. Maybe they wanted to find a profession that they could help people and help themselves do better than their parents. Maybe by being in some of the positions they have had over the many years that they have done more for the people of our state in so many various ways that someone that doesn't understand, could never understand because its not front page news.

I wouldn't assume anything for you are probably wrong.
 
@Cowboy there may be some well intentioned people, but it doesn’t change the fact that they’re a cog in a system people are losing faith in and rejecting. More and more I’m seeing people who are ready to tell govt. as a whole to go pound sand. Seeing an increasing number of abusive instances and realizing that it was like this from the get go is turning a lot of people off to what they represent as an institution.
 
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@Cowboy there may be some well intentioned people, but it doesn’t change the fact that they’re a cog in a system people are losing faith in and rejecting. More and more I’m seeing people who are ready to tell govt. as a whole to go pound sand. Seeing an increasing number of abusive instances and realizing that it was like this from the get go is turning a lot of people off to what they represent as an institution.
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I completely agree. But if we paint everyone as nazi's, bootlickers, power hungry tyrants out for a paycheck your simply wrong. If you are repeating it to every weak minded or impressionable person within your bubble your bubble then becomes 100's or 1000's of misinformed people. I have seen more good officers leave because of this very reason continuing the negative circle and piss poor police work. I have personally been doxed and threatened to a degree because of my job when I followed every policy in place. All because everyone in the CJ system are bad and we shouldn't have a job. I have grown to expect that from other social media outlets but not this forum. I always try to help people understand situations from a less objective stand point. You know from our extensive PM messages where I stand on this stuff. But when people continue to paint everyone they include all the good people that are honest and hard working driving them to the point of saying F it and going into other jobs. We will get the system we back and instead of helping to empower the good officers,judges,correctional workers we are just running them off.
 
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Howland said:
Think about this for just a minute.

The police stop breaking the law only because some citizen makes them stop breaking the law. They certainly didn't do it of their own volition or initiative.

I think it's fair to assume that anyone who chooses a profession within the criminal justice system is either, a) a strong proponent of consequences for breaking the law, or b) they are personally ambivalent about it but accept it in exchange for a decent salary, great benefits package and the ability to work for twenty years and collect a retirement check for forty.

And then some commoner comes along and ruins it all by making them stop breaking the law.

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What "Citizen" ever brought a cop to justice? Did they make a citizens arrest or was it another cop that made the charges?
 
Police are a cross section of society just like everyone else. They all are not knights in shining armour and they are not all jerks. He was demoted and it was handled within the department. I am sure the department had a process that had to play out. I think two years is too long, but I don't know their process. A lot of factors go into an employee decision like this, such as what was his employee record prior to this screw up. Do you fire him or demote him? Now that he has been demoted, it is a signal to others what is acceptable behavior and what is not.

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J R Green said:
What "Citizen" ever brought a cop to justice? Did they make a citizens arrest or was it another cop that made the charges?
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Without getting too inflammatory... there have been a couple peeps who have shot/killed cops during poorly executed raids or raids on the wrong addresses. And then been cleared of wrongdoing. One could make an argument there.
 
B00ger said:
Ok, got it. All cops are garbage and never get punished.
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B00ger said:
So...we are going to do the “police never police themselves” on a case where the officer was punished by his department...
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I would just like to point out that BOOger, you are the one that started the generalizations and "painting with a broad brush"
Everything had been about this specific case.
Your "all cops are garbage" comment is where this train left the tracks.
 
Rob said:
I would just like to point out that BOOger, you are the one that started the generalizations and "painting with a broad brush"
Everything had been about this specific case.
Your "all cops are garbage" comment is where this train left the tracks.
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Two things:

So this is important enough to argue after all? My points are at your soul enough over the last day that you had to come back and make one last attempt? Sad.

And:

My all cops are garbage post was sarcasm. My perspective on these threads come from years of watching the exact same people argue the exact same thing using the exact same massive brush to paint police as horrid evil enemies of free men everywhere. Not from one thread about one specific case.

Sorry that me not believing that a story in which the police officer >is< in fact punished is a solid basis for “police never get punished”.

Now, enjoy your evening. Enjoy your family and friends. Try to let my perspective being different than yours not drive you so crazy you just can’t let it go.


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Rob said:
I would just like to point out that BOOger, you are the one that started the generalizations and "painting with a broad brush"
Everything had been about this specific case.
Your "all cops are garbage" comment is where this train left the tracks.
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Id say it started as a generalization with the first reply of 'The King's Men,' but that's just, like, my opinion, man.
 
HMP said:
Id say it started as a generalization with the first reply of 'The King's Men,' but that's just, like, my opinion, man.
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Nah bro...totally my fault. I disagreed that this was a great mountain to plant the “ALL cops are garbage” flag. I should just go lockstep with the anti-Kings men brigade and assume every man with a badge is chomping at the bit to crush my liberties.


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B00ger said:
Nah bro...totally my fault. I disagreed that this was a great mountain to plant the “ALL cops are garbage” flag. I should just go lockstep with the anti-Kings men brigade and assume every man with a badge is chomping at the bit to crush my liberties.
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You really need to get it together, man.
 
HMP said:
You really need to get it together, man.
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I removed the “thin blue line” sticker that I didn’t have on my car in the first place...it’s a start.


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B00ger said:
Nah bro...totally my fault. I disagreed that this was a great mountain to plant the “ALL cops are garbage” flag. I should just go lockstep with the anti-Kings men brigade and assume every man with a badge is chomping at the bit to crush my liberties.


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And don't forget to shoot your dog.
 
J R Green said:
And don't forget to shoot your dog.
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Wouldn’t want my boy to be shot by one of them evil Kings men that roam my neighborhood frothing at the mouth to keel.


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