Did Rush reference if these are national or international numbers?View attachment 201026 Source Rush Limbaugh show. I take it that they researched pretty well. I’m not downplaying the Corona virus by any means because we haven’t seen the worse. Just putting things into perspective.
Did Rush reference if these are national or international numbers?
Rush’s site says those are international stats.Did Rush reference if these are national or international numbers?
Just a guess....It could be that a lot of the third world countries don’t even report seasonal flu deaths.Rush’s site says those are international stats.
Good call.
I just deleted my post above. But it makes me wonder why the worldwide seasonal flu deaths would only be four times our deaths in the US. Our population isn’t that big comparatively speaking.
Rush’s site says those are international stats.
Good call.
I just deleted my post above. But it makes me wonder why the worldwide seasonal flu deaths would only be four times our deaths in the US. Our population isn’t that big comparatively speaking.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1968-pandemic.html
Who remembers this? I don't but I had other stuff on my mind at the time.
Just a guess....It could be that a lot of the third world countries don’t even report seasonal flu deaths.
Well the first few might unhook gram from the ventilator to get her out, but I think folks will learn pretty fast that it’s not a great idea.We'll see if that happens here when someone can't visit grandma
A lot of people are blowing off the stay at home orders because "it doesn't seem that bad". That's just the thing. Its staying at home, and not spreading the disease that keeps it from getting bad.
The better staying at home works, the more people will think it isn't worth it. Human nature, I guess.
JBoyette is right. Its easy to just look at the numbers until it starts to affect people you know. I personally want to keep this outbreak as as small and slow as possible.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1968-pandemic.html
Who remembers this? I don't but I had other stuff on my mind at the time.
I think that this is worse than the seasonal flu. With everything we”re doing we had over 1,000 deaths yesterday in the US, that’s gotta be more than we had from the seasonal flu, and we’re still ramping up.
Is the attempted fix worse than the disease, probably, but we are an emotional species and becoming more so every year.
Let's see some data backing up your opinion.
That doesn't jive with what the CDC has actually published.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html
I assume they're talking about the 2017-2018 season due to the fact the article was published during 2018. Flu deaths that season are estimated at 61,000, not 80,000.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm
Heck, maybe they really mean 2016-2017? Nope. 38,000 deaths.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2016-2017.html
Biblical proportions? Hardly. See the 1918 pandemic. As you'll recall from history, back then the federal government did nothing with stellar results.
But if you think this is the same thing as the flu, suggest you look into incubation periods, virus particle size, airborne vs droplet spread, persistence on surfaces and in air for starters.
I am also to the point of not trusting any "numbers" as the government is never truthful about a damn thing
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm
Only the Government would call that an Average and not a spread...On average, 12,000 to 56,000 people die from the flu every year in the US.
Only the Government would call that an Average and not a spread...
The issue isn't cold and calculating vs close and personal. The issue isn't a pandemic. As many of us have said and continue to say, the issue is the overreaction of the government and the lunacy of the masses.
This virus is, at worst, as deadly and as contagious as the flu. All year long, not just during flu season, I wash my hands before touching my face and before I eat. If I have to sneeze I do so away from others if, at all possible, and if not I make sure to contain it and then wash my hands.
If I have a fever I stay home. If it doesn't go away with self treatment or runs high I go to the Dr. I sleep in the spare bedroom so I don't get my wife sick. I most assuredly stay away from the elderly and children if I have a fever.
And I would suggest that most people behave in the same fashion.
Simply practicing good hygiene is just as effective at preventing this illness as any other cold, flu or virus. Will people catch it and die? Sure. Could one of them be one of my family members? Sure. Do they run that same risk every single flu season? Absolutely. Are they statistically more likely to die in a car crash on the way to the Dr? Yes they are
So why the government crackdown and stay at home orders etc? Why are they shutting down businesses that remained open every single flu season in the past?
The issue is, quite simply, the greatest expansion of government power in history, in the guise of public safety, which is literally destroying what was a vibrant economy. And the fix to the issue that they caused is to print more money which will only serve to increase inflation and hurt out economy further in the long run.
One thing I think some are missing is that Covid didn’t replace the regular flu, it’s in addition to the regular flu. So now healthcare is having to deal with two “flus” that are both deadly, both contagious, and both putting pressure on the healthcare system.
So I agree that this is becoming a major government power grab, I also think it is far more deadly of an issue than many want to believe it is because it hasn’t directly impacted them physically.
Very good first point. I had not thought of the impact of both the flu and this at the same time as an issue on the health care system.
As to the second point, it may turn out to be a much bigger deal than it appears so far. There seems to be some emerging evidence that the death rate may be higher than first reported. That in itself would make this a larger threat than the flu which has a relatively low death rate percentage wise.
But no matter the level of the threat, I can not be in support of the government violating the very first amendment. Not to mention absolutely destroying almost every non essential small business in the country. All in the guise of safety.
This is not directed at you, I just cannot believe that people on this forum that utter the quote regularly that those that would sacrifice liberty for........etc when the second is under attack have no issue with what is going on right now.
We are sacrificing liberty for the "public good" en masse.
The issue isn't cold and calculating vs close and personal. The issue isn't a pandemic. As many of us have said and continue to say, the issue is the overreaction of the government and the lunacy of the masses.
This virus is, at worst, as deadly and as contagious as the flu. All year long, not just during flu season, I wash my hands before touching my face and before I eat. If I have to sneeze I do so away from others if, at all possible, and if not I make sure to contain it and then wash my hands.
If I have a fever I stay home. If it doesn't go away with self treatment or runs high I go to the Dr. I sleep in the spare bedroom so I don't get my wife sick. I most assuredly stay away from the elderly and children if I have a fever.
And I would suggest that most people behave in the same fashion.
Simply practicing good hygiene is just as effective at preventing this illness as any other cold, flu or virus. Will people catch it and die? Sure. Could one of them be one of my family members? Sure. Do they run that same risk every single flu season? Absolutely. Are they statistically more likely to die in a car crash on the way to the Dr? Yes they are
So why the government crackdown and stay at home orders etc? Why are they shutting down businesses that remained open every single flu season in the past?
The issue is, quite simply, the greatest expansion of government power in history, in the guise of public safety, which is literally destroying what was a vibrant economy. And the fix to the issue that they caused is to print more money which will only serve to increase inflation and hurt out economy further in the long run.
Very good first point. I had not thought of the impact of both the flu and this at the same time as an issue on the health care system.
As to the second point, it may turn out to be a much bigger deal than it appears so far. There seems to be some emerging evidence that the death rate may be higher than first reported. That in itself would make this a larger threat than the flu which has a relatively low death rate percentage wise.
But no matter the level of the threat, I can not be in support of the government violating the very first amendment. Not to mention absolutely destroying almost every non essential small business in the country. All in the guise of safety.
This is not directed at you, I just cannot believe that people on this forum that utter the quote regularly that those that would sacrifice liberty for........etc when the second is under attack have no issue with what is going on right now.
We are sacrificing liberty for the "public good" en masse.
Very good first point. I had not thought of the impact of both the flu and this at the same time as an issue on the health care system.
As to the second point, it may turn out to be a much bigger deal than it appears so far. There seems to be some emerging evidence that the death rate may be higher than first reported. That in itself would make this a larger threat than the flu which has a relatively low death rate percentage wise.
But no matter the level of the threat, I can not be in support of the government violating the very first amendment. Not to mention absolutely destroying almost every non essential small business in the country. All in the guise of safety.
This is not directed at you, I just cannot believe that people on this forum that utter the quote regularly that those that would sacrifice liberty for........etc when the second is under attack have no issue with what is going on right now.
We are sacrificing liberty for the "public good" en masse.
Amen. And 10,000,000 fellow americans have applied for unemployment in just the last two weeks. We have another miserable 30 days ahead of us.....and beyond that.....
Just this hour got a letter from the Gubmint. They gonna pay me to do Nothing. What a country!!!i was just thinking this morning that unemployment is at least partially funded through insurance premiums collected from employers. Each company’s rate is based on their claim history. So are any surviving small businesses going to get hammered with a huge cost increase next year? Haven’t seen this addressed yet.
Have you considered that the economic damage from controlled destruction might be less than from a natural destruction. Think about restaurants, you hit say 500,000 cases and 20,000 deaths in NYC, exactly who is going to be eating out? Surely not enough people, so the businesses start to fail in a way that makes recovery a lot harder. You end up in the same place, but with folk having wasted resources trying to hang on through the thing, people choosing to work while sick and spreading the thing, and no path for economic recovery. It’s a textbook case of the prisoner’s dilema.
All that said, and making the HUGE assumption that the government is making the best possible decisions, I’m still not happy about the level of control they are taking.