Covid19 - what they're not telling you

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I've been asking myself since this started "What are they not telling us?"
The reaction seemed out of proportion with what the news was telling us about the disease.

Another member posted a video in one of the Covid threads and finally I am hearing credible info and it's startling.

Dr. Vuong tells it straight. Take the time to watch his videos - you need this information and you're stuck at home anyhow!

 
shit

The coronavirus is going to overrun the hospital systems

If you have to be put on a ventilator, you still have a 70-80% mortality (death) rate.
 
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What is it that they are not telling us? Can it be sumed up in a few sentences instead of 1/2 hour video?

The1/2 hour video IS the summary. I'm still watching but here are my takeaways. Remember, I'm not a credible source any more than the jerkwagons on the news. watch the Dr. explain it

- it's SARS version 2.
- Nobody has any immunity to this. none. If this virus enters your body you will get infected.
- People are not taking this seriously enough and are not doing the things needed to prevent contact and spread.
- The death rate is increasing over time.
- Our medical systems, both infrastructure and personnel, will be completely overwhelmed by this waaaay before it even peaks. Which will drive the death rate higher

Plus he talks about some factual medical stuff.. how it works, how it kills, why certain folks are at risk, why it's a big deal, etc etc.
 
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Just like at work, when someone starts a conversation with their credentials, I tune out.

Sorry.
He did this because of his previous videos he got a lot of pushback, people saying that he didn’t know what the hell he was talking about.
 
Well the thing is, once you get it you are immune to it. It will burn itself out. We will have to go back to work and the people most vulnerable will need to adjust their lives until there is a vaccine.
 
Remember the phrase “cytokine storm”. Coming soon to a MSM near you.
 
Just like at work, when someone starts a conversation with their credentials, I tune out.

Sorry.

In issues like this one credibility is everything. Without it you're just another chicken little.
 
Well the thing is, once you get it you are immune to it. It will burn itself out. We will have to go back to work and the people most vulnerable will need to adjust their lives until there is a vaccine.

China and Taiwan are reporting up to a 14% reinfection rate. The fact is they do not know if we develop immunities to it after infection. If we did the cure would be easier to replicate. They are not finding the moniker in the blood that is developed after infection.
 
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On a positive note... my kids work at UNC in the hospital and labs. I was told today to look at the graphs for North Carolina as New York was skewing the numbers for the whole country. I won't interpret these graphs, you can draw your own conclusions as to where we are now in NC. Worth a look. Especially the cases over time graphs.
https://www.ncdhhs.gov/covid-19-case-count-nc#cases-over-time
 
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Got a source for that? I haven't heard that before.

To my knowledge this does not behave differently than any other infection for which your acquired immune system develops an adequate response to eliminate the disease burden. I will let someone else gather all the refs for you because def too lazy right now and have some work calls soon. The only technical flaw im aware of regarding the comment is you could potentially come down with it again if exposed again in future with a compromised immune system, but again that is consistent with other infection diseases.

of note:
-scientists do not believe this to have high mutation rate (and if did would likely behave like flu where immune system has buffered categorically against the molecular markers)
-plans are in the work to use currently recovered people blood (the high specificity antibodies developed during course of disease) to potentially boost infected
 
Remember the phrase “cytokine storm”. Coming soon to a MSM near you.
Heard about it early on when this was still large a Wuhan issue. It was alarming then and what I remember as a take away was that recovering from the virus doesn't mean you're immune and good to go, but instead reinfection is even more deadly.

Bottom line from the video, this is a nasty virus, that is at least an order magnitude more deadly than the flu. It is going to kill a lot of people, including people in the medical field and as that happens and as this drags on the death rate is going to increase. His warning is to not be so cavalier about it.
 
On a positive note... my kids work at UNC in the hospital and labs. I was told today to look at the graphs for North Carolina as New York was skewing the numbers for the whole country. I won't interpret these graphs, you can draw your own conclusions as to where we are now in NC. Worth a look. Especially the cases over time graphs.
https://www.ncdhhs.gov/covid-19-case-count-nc#cases-over-time

That data is even outdated, even though it was released today. NYC is definitely skewing the national data. That said, NC is starting to rise, and we are nowhere near the peak.
 
An interesting article on Bardot, the health dept commissioner was probably at the root of NYC problems. More concerned with diversity and identity politics than the approaching pandemic.


"As the coronavirus bore down on New York City, Barbot and the Health Department were busy operationalizing social justice while remaining oblivious to the scientific realities of the pandemic. The department’s focus on health equity required it to discourage recent arrivals from Wuhan from going into self-quarantine or avoiding large public gatherings like the Lunar New Year celebrations.

“We are very clear: We wish New Yorkers a Happy Lunar New Year and we encourage people to spend time with their families and go about their celebration,” Barbot insisted.

A week later, Barbot appeared at a press event promoting Lunar New Year celebrations in Chinatown.

"As we gear up to celebrate the #LunarNewYear in NYC, I want to assure New Yorkers that there is no reason for anyone to change their holiday plans, avoid the subway, or certain parts of the city because of #coronavirus," she insisted."

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/04/identity-politics-lied-new-yorkers-died-daniel-greenfield/
 
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I've been asking myself since this started "What are they not telling us?"
The reaction seemed out of proportion with what the news was telling us about the disease.

Another member posted a video in one of the Covid threads and finally I am hearing credible info and it's startling.

Dr. Vuong tells it straight. Take the time to watch his videos - you need this information and you're stuck at home anyhow!


Catfish....

Here is the only person that I listen to and follow....other than Drs. Fauci and Birx. If someone does not know WHO those two doctors are, then time to stop reloading and bellyachining and google and catch up. I read a lot daily on another site and we have medical and emergency management and a lot of WELL LEARNED individuals....who happen to be, like me, an alumni of a local university....and we have some alumni from another local university that are part of their medical school.



He also does (and has been since late January) a daily update that has one of the highest followings around.

Now, I would ALSO tell you to look at the following. This came from about 4 sources to me this morning. All with the same opinion.

https://www.ncdhhs.gov/covid-19-case-count-nc#cases-over-time

To translate.....NC is ahead of the curve....despite all the whining and bellyaching and bitchin' about lock down and social distancing and such. DO NOT BE MISLEAD by the crafty politicians that want to run for office or such or just whine and complain. You can NOT use the National Data for any real compairison. Read the individual State sites....which I posted.

Also....If you get your Medical Advice from a Politician, then you might want to turn in your firearms now. Likewise....my GP does not tell me what to think....politically.

Masks...... If there IS a change of heart....then we are doomed. I know many front line medical folks and lab researchers and so forth. The RELUCTANCE....or what they are not tell us....is that IF they say....Yes, Masks will help....it will be read. Wear a Mask and you will NOT get the Virus. So ahead and sign in to Match.Com and have dinner. Go ahead to the Ball Games.....go back to the bars (drink through a straw). The mask protects the folks that the medical community are treating. It DOES not protect the Medical community..... Wear a scarf. That keeps you from picking your nose, putting your hand around your mouth or whatever. A Surgical Mask protects the patient in the OR. It does NOT protect the OR folks from catching whatever he might have....

End of Rant....

BTW... I KNOW that you are well versed on this and many subjects...so my remarks were not at you....just a venue to distribute them.

Hang in there.....go shoot my old Ruger....I am going out tomorrow and bang away in a REMOTE setting...
 
This data could be useful if it was collected and used to track the infected as done in South Korea but all western nations are too little too late in actions for the first wave, hopefully they get their thoughts going in the right direction by the second wave.
 
https://www.ncdhhs.gov/covid-19-case-count-nc#cases-over-time

To translate.....NC is ahead of the curve....despite all the whining and bellyaching and bitchin' about lock down and social distancing and such. DO NOT BE MISLEAD by the crafty politicians that want to run for office or such or just whine and complain. You can NOT use the National Data for any real compairison. Read the individual State sites....which I posted..

That link had been posted above. Today's data was outdated by 11 am. That link has a built-in lag from pending test results. NC is ahead of the curve compared to some states; behind some others. The numbers of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths will continue to rise for a couple more weeks, at least.
 
In issues like this one credibility is everything. Without it you're just another chicken little.
True--however in my experience, people's actions speak far more loudly than credentials. Those that want to see that experience will, those that don't, won't.

I can tell an engineer who's been drawing sites for 20+ years a lot faster if I can just see their work than I can one who promises me they have the experience. If their work needs to come with a preface, then something's up.

If I were this smart surgeon fella, I'd just post my videos for people's consumption--if they want to call me out for whatever reason, that's their prerogative. I wouldn't lower myself to the level of a guy caught between that of a rookie and someone who's landed a position of respect, which is where I see the most of this action.
 
On a positive note... my kids work at UNC in the hospital and labs. I was told today to look at the graphs for North Carolina as New York was skewing the numbers for the whole country. I won't interpret these graphs, you can draw your own conclusions as to where we are now in NC. Worth a look. Especially the cases over time graphs.
https://www.ncdhhs.gov/covid-19-case-count-nc#cases-over-time
This will be good data to view LATER. That qualifier of "specimens collected during this time may not yet be reported" is huge.
 
Man doesn't preface his statements with qualifications: "Who's this guy to tell me anything I should do!?"

Man does preface his statements with qualifications: "If this guys gotta tell me who is is, then I aint gonna listen!"
 
If their work needs to come with a preface, then something's up.
Taking a few seconds out of a half hour video to state that you're a bariatric surgeon would hardly classify their work coming with a preface or starting with their credentials. Knowing this actually made some of what he had to say later in the video make more sense, such as how they're putting off gall bladder patients by draining them as a temporary work around or as in why a guy whose focus is on gastroenterology would be worrying about this. A large part of the reason is that he thinks you very well could wind up with a podiatrist or a proctologist being the guy with very little experience whose trying to intubate you and save your life because there is no one else left. He also said that if you get to that point, 7-8 times out of 10 you're going to die.
 
Man doesn't preface his statements with qualifications: "Who's this guy to tell me anything I should do!?"

Man does preface his statements with qualifications: "If this guys gotta tell me who is is, then I aint gonna listen!"
I'd have been happy with "I'm a doctor/surgeon and know my stuff." Most people will not change their mind after that--if they're gonna believe him, they'll do it. If not, doesn't matter what type of sheepskin he produces.

If I'm ever in a meeting/situation where I have to show my degree, I'm probably not going to want to be part of that group and/or will leave.
 
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Taking a few seconds out of a half hour video to state that you're a bariatric surgeon would hardly classify their work coming with a preface or starting with their credentials.
Then say it--don't show me your actual sheepskin. That's a bit theatric.

It's cool that others wanted to see it. Not knocking the viewers.

Like I said: my experience is the person has something odd, wants to hide something, or doesn't have the level of experience they're claiming to have when they do that.
 
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Man, drop it. Did you even look at the vid?
If you didn’t you should. All 25 minutes
Kinda nullifies the message for me when it comes across as pandering to the general YouTube population.
 
Catfish....

Here is the only person that I listen to and follow....other than Drs. Fauci and Birx. If someone does not know WHO those two doctors are, then time to stop reloading and bellyachining and google and catch up. I read a lot daily on another site and we have medical and emergency management and a lot of WELL LEARNED individuals....who happen to be, like me, an alumni of a local university....and we have some alumni from another local university that are part of their medical school.



He also does (and has been since late January) a daily update that has one of the highest followings around.

Now, I would ALSO tell you to look at the following. This came from about 4 sources to me this morning. All with the same opinion.

https://www.ncdhhs.gov/covid-19-case-count-nc#cases-over-time

To translate.....NC is ahead of the curve....despite all the whining and bellyaching and bitchin' about lock down and social distancing and such. DO NOT BE MISLEAD by the crafty politicians that want to run for office or such or just whine and complain. You can NOT use the National Data for any real compairison. Read the individual State sites....which I posted.

Also....If you get your Medical Advice from a Politician, then you might want to turn in your firearms now. Likewise....my GP does not tell me what to think....politically.

Masks...... If there IS a change of heart....then we are doomed. I know many front line medical folks and lab researchers and so forth. The RELUCTANCE....or what they are not tell us....is that IF they say....Yes, Masks will help....it will be read. Wear a Mask and you will NOT get the Virus. So ahead and sign in to Match.Com and have dinner. Go ahead to the Ball Games.....go back to the bars (drink through a straw). The mask protects the folks that the medical community are treating. It DOES not protect the Medical community..... Wear a scarf. That keeps you from picking your nose, putting your hand around your mouth or whatever. A Surgical Mask protects the patient in the OR. It does NOT protect the OR folks from catching whatever he might have....

End of Rant....

BTW... I KNOW that you are well versed on this and many subjects...so my remarks were not at you....just a venue to distribute them.

Hang in there.....go shoot my old Ruger....I am going out tomorrow and bang away in a REMOTE setting...

I’ve been thinking along the same lines although I am not even close to be as eloquent as the Brit Dr.
Simple engineer thinking: in the numerator we know the number of who died from the Chinese virus, however in the denominator we do not know who has caught the virus either with mild symptoms or sometimes no symptoms at all.
Once the Elisa tests (I think Elisa tests were mentioned by Dr. Birx on several occasions) are conducted on the larger population, we will have the denominator and the surprise maybe that the % of death to the infected is in line with the flu but meanwhile the government handlers ruined the economy and increased our debt by 10 Trillions.
 
Once the Elisa tests (I think Elisa tests were mentioned by Dr. Birx on several occasions) are conducted on the larger population, we will have the denominator and the surprise maybe that the % of death to the infected is in line with the flu but meanwhile the government handlers ruined the economy and increased our debt by 10 Trillions.
I don't think that even with such a test that they'll find that there has been a high degree of infection. S. Korea tested nearly everyone in their population and found something like 9% infection rate.
 
I'd have been happy with "I'm a doctor/surgeon and know my stuff." Most people will not change their mind after that--if they're gonna believe him, they'll do it. If not, doesn't matter what type of sheepskin he produces.

If I'm ever in a meeting/situation where I have to show my degree, I'm probably not going to want to be part of that group and/or will leave.

I feel ya, but the guy is trying to appeal to all who either want little or a lot of information...may as well take a few seconds and get that all out of the way. There are going to be those who want to see his grades in college and testimony from at least 3 professors and 50 patients he has seen as well as character references from high school. Then there will be those that will listen to anything anyone on the internet says because they feel like it.
 
I don't think that even with such a test that they'll find that there has been a high degree of infection. S. Korea tested nearly everyone in their population and found something like 9% infection rate.
By all means I am NOT a medical testing expert and maybe some of CFF medical dudes can opine but from what I read the Elisa (enzyme linked immunosorbent assay) is designed to detect substances such as proteins and antibodies (way more accurate) whereas the tests currently used is to confirm a clinical disease.
 
I don't think that even with such a test that they'll find that there has been a high degree of infection. S. Korea tested nearly everyone in their population and found something like 9% infection rate.
You should recalibrate your thoughts on South Korea's degree of infection.

South Korea has a population of 51,258,567.
431,743 South Koreans have been tested for COVID-19. (0.84% of population)
9,976 South Koreans have tested positive for COVID-19. (2.31% of those tested) (0.02% of population)

And some information on testing by different countries.

tests-for-covid-19.jpg
 
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Here’s the takeaways, for those who didn’t watch, or who struggle with the fact he had to introduce himself to the audience as an actual subject matter expert.

The death rate is much higher than seasonal flu. MUCH higher.

And if you have to be put on a ventilator, assuming you can get in a hospital if you are sick several weeks from now, then you can expect to be on the ventilator for two weeks, and still have a 70-80% chance of dying at the end of that.

His point was, to take this shit seriously.
That. was. all.

And I do hope some of these novel treatments will bear out.
 
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Here’s the takeaways, for those who didn’t watch, or who struggle with the fact he had to introduce himself to the audience as an actual subject matter expert.

The death rate is much higher than seasonal flu. MUCH higher.

And if you have to be put on a ventilator, assuming you can get in a hospital if you are sick several weeks from now, then you can expect to be on the ventilator for two weeks, and still have a 70-80% chance of dying at the end of that.

His point was, to take this shit seriously.
That. was. all.

And I do hope some of these novel treatments will bear out.

Thank you.
 
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