Wuhan, nCV, germs....

charliesgrave said:
We're not there yet, but if this were as bad as the Spanish Flu, there would most certainly be mass graves. Not only are there not enough funeral homes, caskets, and graveplots, but there would also be the chance of making it worse by handling the body more than is necessary and bringing together a bunch of people for a funeral.
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Cremation would be more efficient then mass graves.
 
RedneckFur said:
Talked to my mother last night. I don't know my mom's doctor personally, but my mom told me, that her doctor told her, that based on how this virus works, and where it comes from, she's convinced that it is some sort of biological weapon, and not something that came from eating bats, dogs, cats, etc. The 2-week contagious incubation period, its resistance to some cleaners, the long time it lasts on surfaces, and how easily it infects people is just too much of a coincidence to her doc.
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My wife knows a doc who thinks 9/11 was a conspiracy...I wouldn't let human natures predilection to classify coincidence as cause at this point. If it were a bioweapon, we have the most capable scientists to ascertain such facts. That being said, it is unclear whether even the U would have an interest in wanting that information. public during this crisis.
 
charliesgrave said:
We're not there yet, but if this were as bad as the Spanish Flu, there would most certainly be mass graves. Not only are there not enough funeral homes, caskets, and graveplots, but there would also be the chance of making it worse by handling the body more than is necessary and bringing together a bunch of people for a funeral.
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I've already instructed my family to just throw me in the trash. I need to get that in my Will soon so its legally binding...
 
NCSU Nonwovens Institute ramps up to create mask filters – and masks – for health care workers.

The team created a new spunbond material that can serve as an effective filter without the need for a meltblown filtration layer.
The unique fabric is composed of two different polymer materials that are combined to make a single fiber with significant strength and bulk
and that shows effectiveness in filtration similar to current materials used.

https://news.ncsu.edu/2020/04/a-necessary-filter/?utm_source=Bulletin+April+List&utm
 
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3M not selling N95 masks to FL, their factory authorized distributors are not selling them either, they are being sold to 'people' who showed up with cash, they are going to foreign countries and other hoarders. Reported on Fox tonight. At virus briefing, Pres. Trump will sign orders that will stop exports of these N95 masks, ventilators, PPE and other needed items tomorrow.
 
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random said:
THAT RACIST wants to keep vital supplies away from black yellow and brown people so they'll all DIE!!! (just wait for it)
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Sen. Schumer on his Trump bashing, wants a military man in charge of distribution for supply chain. Why not a military woman? Fact is the man in charge is an Admiral and a medical doctor. Schumer is misogynistic.
 
Button Pusher said:
At virus briefing, Pres. Trump will sign orders that will stop exports of these N95 masks, ventilators, PPE and other needed items tomorrow.
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Funny, how that is basically what happened in Europe too when Italy asked for help. Come to think of it, India and China pulled the same thing with certain pharmaceutical compounds. Weird how that works. Globalization just simply breaks and stops in the face of danger.
 
Aside from the lives lost, getting Made in the USA back to business again is very important. No reason to buy from China or India.
As for the next infrastructure package, how many jobs will be going to citizens vs low wage workers who are not citizens?
 
RedneckFur said:
Talked to my mother last night. I don't know my mom's doctor personally, but my mom told me, that her doctor told her, that based on how this virus works, and where it comes from, she's convinced that it is some sort of biological weapon, and not something that came from eating bats, dogs, cats, etc. The 2-week contagious incubation period, its resistance to some cleaners, the long time it lasts on surfaces, and how easily it infects people is just too much of a coincidence to her doc.
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Johnny said:
Tucker Carlson has some very interesting info on the china virus.



"The coronavirus came from either the Wuhan CDC or Wuhan Institute of Virology. The study concluded the deadly virus came out of local laboratories in Hubei Province. The smoking gun in the study is the link to horseshoe bats which are not sold in local markets and not native to Wuhan."

Link to video of his segment,
https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/fantastic-segment-from-tucker/
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We've had pretty good details on this specific virus since at least 2007. I'm not saying that it could not have been used or perhaps even modified in a lab, but it is well known that it could be vectored by bats in that specific province of China.
 
Chuckman said:
could be vectored by bats in that specific province of China.
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Disclaimer: No Holiday Inn stays recently, nor do I have a single tinfoil hat. ( Several dunce caps in my size though..) I have read several very detailed papers that call out the probability of the origin. They all seem plausible and very persuasive- until I ponder whether a well-engineered virus would not also have its origins well masked by design. In other words, if you knew how to design it, would you leave knowingly fingerprints at the crime scene ?

So yes, it may have spontaneously arrived out of natural mutation. Or been pushed along. I doubt we will know for sure as the result is the same.

Must be the Russians.
 
Alfred said:
They all seem plausible and very persuasive- until I ponder whether a well-engineered virus would not also have its origins well masked by design.
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It’s awfully damned convenient in terms of deniability wouldn’t you say?
 
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Does anybody know if the deaths in the US are counted the same way as in Italy? Does every death, regardless of underlying medical health problems, get counted a a Covid-19 death no matter what?
 
grungewehr39 said:
Does anybody know if the deaths in the US are counted the same way as in Italy? Does every death, regardless of underlying medical health problems, get counted a a Covid-19 death no matter what?
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That's one of the big problems with the stats - how are they being counted?

I read last week that Italy was counting everyone who died and also had C19, whatever the underlying reason. Other countries are counting only those who have tested positive. And, of course, there are people dying from C19 who have never been tested, so they aren't counted either. Without everyone using the same methods of counting, the numbers from country to country can't be relied on.
 
random said:
That's one of the big problems with the stats - how are they being counted?

I read last week that Italy was counting everyone who died and also had C19, whatever the underlying reason. Other countries are counting only those who have tested positive. And, of course, there are people dying from C19 who have never been tested, so they aren't counted either. Without everyone using the same methods of counting, the numbers from country to country can't be relied on.
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And, in the sick map, there is the infected number, the death total and the "recovered". Do they follow up with every infected person and make sure they are actually recovered?
 
Some good news...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/n...-left-foster-latest-covid-19-related-shortage

There's been a "run on pets" in the city, according to Bloomberg, ostensibly as lonely New Yorkers realize they're going to be locked inside without anyone to monopolize the conversation with or boss around. So, many of them have adopted fostered animals.

Shelters in the city say they have received a surge in applications that is as much as "10-fold" their normal rates. New Yorkers apparently see owning pets as a way to calm their nerves during a difficult time. And this means that pets are finding new, and hopefully happy, homes at a record rate.

Anna Lai, the marketing director at Muddy Paws said:
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fieldgrade said:
I think what we are seeing is hospital staff needs changing so it tends to be an apples and oranges comparison that is hard for us laypeople to sort out. I know a certified nurse anesthetist laid off in Wilmington this week due to elective surgeries all being canceled.
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I have a friend in Richmond, VA who said they started layoffs at the general hospital there for lack of patients (non covid procedures delayed). His daughter at Med Univers SC (Charleston) was laid off.
 
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noway2 said:
It’s awfully damned convenient in terms of deniability wouldn’t you say?
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well, convenience is kind of a major selling point in doing genetic work...
I was at a very large conference once (~35,000 attendees) and the keynote speaker for one day took us through his career of working on genetic modifications. One of his major points was that if you figure out you can do something that's really cool, nature probably has already been using it for a long time and you can probably get funded for a long time just figuring that system out.
It is very hard to "create" a whole new idea - but you can take something that exits and modify it a little bit at a time until it works way better or more specific than nature has been able to... so far... maybe.

I say this as somebody who spent a few years giving mice and rats viral injections straight into their brains to make a specific type of neuron do a specific thing for a specific type of experiment... we didn't create it. We ordered a virus from a lab. that lab replicated the virus that somebody else designed. that other lab designed the virus using stuff that was already available in other viral systems. nobody created anything... everything was there all along and all any human did was smash natural things together.

And any yeast researcher will bore you to DEATH with all the different ways they can recombine genes to make their cultures do all sorts of interesting things that already exist somewhere else. (I did my first rotation in a yeast lab. it was very boring.)
 
Meckmeister said:
I have a friend in Richmond, VA who said they started layoffs at the general hospital there for lack of patients (non covid procedures delayed). His daughter at Med Univers SC (Charleston) was laid off.
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There’s a hospital in Cumberland County NC that has had two waves of lay offs. In the hundreds.
 
Re: hospital layoffs, stupid is as stupid does. People do not understand exponential functions. I’ve used the analogy before: If you have a pond with a lily pad that doubles every day and it takes 48 days to cover the pond. How long before it’s half covered? The answer is 47 days. Continuing that analogy less than a week prior it would have barely been noticeable that something was up.

A few weeks ago, the US was at 15 cases and we were told, “heading to zero”. Now the US is at 311,544 as of 10pm this evening and we’re doing a lousy job of testing.

So, how many of those people who the money mangers shaft are going to say “go pound sand” if, or when, it hits in their area and they try to recall them, oh and by the way the supply of PPE has been exhausted since we sent it to the hot spots, but we need you to charge in there anyway.

Laying off the healthcare staff in the face of what is coming has yo be both the most profoundly stupid thing I’ve ever seem and yet as the same time, the epitome of American cronyism.

Fourth turnings have a way of fixing things.
 
fieldgrade said:
There’s a hospital in Cumberland County NC that has had two waves of lay offs. In the hundreds.
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Cape Fear Valley has laid off 650+ in two weeks, and cut hours and pay for all others...but everyone keeps their health benefits, for now.
 
gc70 said:
I don't know what bothers me most - the 88 cases of the Chinese virus in my county or the fact that 3 of those infected are listed as "unknown" for gender.
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3% tranny infection rate? Must be a vulnerable population given the disproportionate rate of infection against their proportion of population.

...unless maybe you live in Carrboro. That’s a bizarre population of people
 
fieldgrade said:
There’s a hospital in Cumberland County NC that has had two waves of lay offs. In the hundreds.
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I will give you a simple to understand analogy. Hospitals make money off of elective and non-emergency life threatening surgeries. Its like a restaurant. They don't really make their money off the food. They make their money off the drinks. Coke, Sweet tea, bee, liquor etc.... Right now the hospitals have stopped all non life threaten surgeries. 6 months ago if you had a ruptured gall bladder you were in with a general surgeon within hours and it was removed. Today you are sent home with a drain. They are non longer serving drinks or they are serving limited take out food. They are going to be strapped for cash. This is happening from the biggest University Hospitals to the smallest critical access hospital. It is hitting them hard and there is no plan to bail them out. They are saving resources because if they get hit in the same % as places like Italy or NYC they are %ucked! They are ridding up the first hill on a giant roller coaster and do not know how may twists, hills and turns are over the horizon. Yet every community in this country expects them to save their lives once they are inside their doors.

In this country with our current system in areas of high infection. 1 in 20 will end up on a vent. 50% of the people put on a vent will come off the vent and go to the morgue. Think about those numbers. Not in the abstract. Think of it in terms of people you know. The hospital system in this country for good or for bad run on a cash flow margin based system. As the nuns at Bon Secours, which is a non profit always say. NO MARGIN NO MISSION! Healthcare is a business like any other. I can tell you 100% that the hospital systems are not getting paid to treat COVID 19. The State and Federal Govt are pushing the shit down the hill. The hospitals are laying off non-clinical people so they can keep their heads above water for the next 90 days because in that time frame they are going to see a wave of the sickest patients they have ever seen and they have no idea if not when they will ever get paid for that care. That does not even begin to account for the human mental toll that this will take on the providers who care for the sick.

I have friends who are Drs in high risk categories who are still going into work with direct contact with infected patients because they swore an oath to do no harm and protect the patient. Yes people are getting laid off in healthcare but it is so the clinical people who can save lives have the resources to do their job.
 
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fieldgrade said:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/coronavirus-model-ihme-worst-is-behind-us
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2108 died yesterday. That is the highest daily total to date. The number of new cases may go down but the death totals are going to skyrocket. There is about a 2 week cycle between when you are put on a vent and when people die or recover. This 2 week cycle repeats itself as someone gets off the vent and a new patient is put on.

The other key factor is to remember that that particular model is built on the assumption that we are practicing social distancing and quarantine practices modeled after China. The numbers only continue to go down if we continue social distancing. Once we stop we are backing into the wild wild west. We are just now seeing what happens when you open back up after a Pandemic lockdown. What happens in China in the next 2 weeks could greatly alter the data.
 
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