scientist who discovered hiv says covid is man made

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I stumbled on an article that says luc antoine montagnier, the man who discovered hiv, claims covid is man made in a lab. Not only that but that the virus contains hiv particles in it. This guy has a Nobel prize for his work with hiv that he recieved in 08 during obama's term. The first thing i thought when i read this was i remember when covid first hit and they said some doctors were having success treating it with hiv meds. I thought it was strange that they would try to treat a respiratory illness with hiv meds. Im def no doctor but he seems to know why, interesting read. What do you guys think?

https://communalnews.com/french-nobel-prize-winner-coronavirus-indeed-designed-in-chinese-lab/
 
Jerzsubbie said:
Was/is there really any doubt that it’s man-made? I assumed so almost from the beginning.
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I have thought it was tinkered with in a lab from what I have read. But now I am starting to wonder. If this was a bio-engineered weapon either the scientists really suck or they failed. I’ve made wing sauces that have done more harm. :p

Now if. It kills Keith Richards I’ll re-evaluate my stance.
 
Interesting to say the least....

DS
 
CZfool68 said:
I have thought it was tinkered with in a lab from what I have read. But now I am starting to wonder. If this was a bio-engineered weapon either the scientists really suck or they failed. I’ve made wing sauces that have done more harm. :p

Now if. It kills Keith Richards I’ll re-evaluate my stance.
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So many things including the country of origin, make it seem like a viral warfare test, and in that regard I’d say it’s been quite successful. The only bad part about doing a test like this is that now the world will be better prepared next time, so that next one better be realllly good (or bad).
 
Jerzsubbie said:
So many things including the country of origin, make it seem like a viral warfare test, and in that regard I’d say it’s been quite successful. The only bad part about doing a test like this is that now the world will be better prepared next time, so that next one better be realllly good (or bad).
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If you really wanted to damage China releasing a virus like this in their country would be a really slick way to do it huh?

Who benefits?
 
That's not the first time I've read that this was HIV vaccine research, and yes, of course it was "manipulated". The idea that it's "not manipulated" defies the nature of what these researchers do for a living. I'd as soon believe @CZfool68 does not "manipulate" his hot sauce.
 
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rdinatal said:
Agreed, now that we have some history and are able to look back. You must admit that the virus was the trigger.
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Almost anything could have been the trigger. The virus appears to have been used to trigger other actions. Or we just have the largest case of panic driven group think ever. That could be.
 
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I think Trump did it. We’d pushed the economy as far as we could and needed a way to bring it down that’s not his fault, and while we’re at it we’ll devalue the currency making it cheaper to repay our debt. If he puts out enough cash now he can actually reduce the deficit in his second term. ATT and VZ found out about this and were going to leak his plans, but he agreed to lock everyone up for a month so the carriers could more easily deploy their 5g death ray equipment. For their part the Chinese didn’t care about a few deaths, but they did get assurances that the 2021 happy meal toys will come from China.
 
JimB said:
I think Trump did it. We’d pushed the economy as far as we could and needed a way to bring it down that’s not his fault, and while we’re at it we’ll devalue the currency making it cheaper to repay our debt. If he puts out enough cash now he can actually reduce the deficit in his second term. ATT and VZ found out about this and were going to leak his plans, but he agreed to lock everyone up for a month so the carriers could more easily deploy their 5g death ray equipment. For their part the Chinese didn’t care about a few deaths, but they did get assurances that the 2021 happy meal toys will come from China.
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You have a distinct knack for dry online sarcasm based on how far into this paragraph I got before I detected it.
 
It is absolutely laboratory created. By the Chinese. In a level 4 "research" lab (read military biological weapons research facility) in Wuhan.

The virus doesn't exhibit traits associated by a normal virus that mutates, it exhibits traits that indicate it was engineered to do something specific.

The big question is was this released accidentally or intentionally? Was this a trial run for the great Chinese equalizer?
 
I wonder if there is any long term effects from the virus. Yes it’s bad when old folks get it and young folks don’t realize they have it but once you do catch it is there anything that might happen 5/10 years down the road?
 
CZfool68 said:
No it didn’t. The media and political class did that. The deaths from this virus would not have altered the economy at all. The hospitals are not overwhelmed.
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The Wuhan enabled the press to do the dems bidding. Without it the people wouldn’t have pissed their pants.
 
Looks like a totally solid web site you have there... Here is another that says it is not man made. Guys they have the virus, they can look at the genome. Every University involved in medical research and any major genome lab can do it. There is no need for everything to be a conspiracy. SARS, Bird flue, Ebola, were all naturally forming diseases that kill you. Don't be gullible. What is different here is that it is highly contagious and then we may or may not have had an overreaction.

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html
 
Slowly the truth is coming out. The media is suppressing the truth and so is the government. The Chinese Communist Party with the People’s Army have been doing this type research for decades. Obama set up pandemic response after intelligence showed what they were doing and the Chinese even published papers on their research.

The government, media, and even Trump are not giving us the full picture but eventually it will surface. Media fears people targeting Chinese. Government fears panic globally. Trump fears economic disaster and further problems from the Communist Party. Nobody knows if it was intentional or an accident and being it was in China never will. All information and scientific papers have been scrubbed. Wuhan Institute of Virology has always been the suspect. This ain’t no wet market mutation.
 
Reports that UV_C light kills the virus, TV add for light kits for your HVAC, no money down, six months to pay.
 
The next one will take months not weeks to incubate. Army got hospitals up fast, they train for that under bio and nuclear scenarios. We're all collateral damage. :(
 
I think many are getting too hung up on what the "intent" of the research is and misunderstanding what "research" actually consists of. Researchers aren't just observing and taking notes. From what I have read, in this particular case with this particular virus, among a number of things the "Spike Protein" was being manipulated to get it to "jump species" faster in order to get this particular bat-corona to jump -species to laboratory ferrets and civets (type of mongoose) more readily and quickly. Without this, the virus will not/ or may not/ or take years to make the zoonotic jump. This manipulation and many many more is what they do in a virology lab to learn more and learn it more quickly.
 
Button Pusher said:
The next one will take months not weeks to incubate. Army got hospitals up fast, they train for that under bio and nuclear scenarios. We're all collateral damage. :(
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The ONE thing that makes me suspicious (whether this release was purposeful or accidental), is that the Chinese shut down travel from Wuhan to THE REST OF China, but not to the rest of the outside world... Which makes for a good spread and reaction test. Or perhaps they just wanted to "share" the economic misery with the rest of the world so as not to put China in the hole alone.
 
I heard they discovered an identifying tag on the virus...


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Luc Montagnier is 87 and lives and works in Shanghai, so we can assume anything he publishes is subject to censorship by the CCP.

In 2009, Montagnier published a study entitled "Electromagnetic Signals Are Produced by Aqueous Nanostructures Derived from Bacterial DNA Sequences." So, he might be the source of the idea for Iran's IRGC bipolar magnetic-field virus detection device.
 
I do believe it was a “designer” virus (gene splicing of some kind) but for what cause? Only a few reasons for doing something like that and none of them really for good. By who? The original strains that may have been monkeyed with could have originated for many medical research facilities who stored and used them for researchers to study for actual good but the gene manipulation I believe was by researchers in the Wuhan labs. How/who did is get out? That is the real enigma ... I’m leaning toward it being an accident but with the CCP it could have possibly been a “test run” that got loose.

Now, if I were in charge (especially in a CCP type government) I’d sure have vaccine/treatment before I’d “test run” something like it ... and be real quiet on the data concerning rates of infection, recovery, mortality, etc just in case another country(s) had scientists smart enough to be able to prove it was man made.
 
Brian K said:
It is absolutely laboratory created. By the Chinese. In a level 4 "research" lab (read military biological weapons research facility) in Wuhan.
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Duke and UNC-CH have level 4 labs. So does CDC, the NIH, and many other universities. Not every level 4 lab is into engineering biologics for weapons.

@Jerzsubbie , if it's a bio weapon, it's a bad one. If they asked me to invent a bio weapon, I would not invent one where the target audience is non-MAPs who are old and sick.

We know that this virus is prevalent in nature. We know they dicked with it in a lab (for whatever reason...we dick with viruses all the time, for all sorts of reasons). And we know it got out.

@Mr. Bggs , all viruses have the same foundation, so it's not unheard of that you would/could an HIV med on a different virus. Now the key is using the right med for the right genomic pattern, which is fundamentally different than how we used to give medications, especially cancer meds.
 
Variable said:
Looks like a totally solid web site you have there... Here is another that says it is not man made. Guys they have the virus, they can look at the genome. Every University involved in medical research and any major genome lab can do it. There is no need for everything to be a conspiracy. SARS, Bird flue, Ebola, were all naturally forming diseases that kill you. Don't be gullible. What is different here is that it is highly contagious and then we may or may not have had an overreaction.

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html
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Going to be honest. It's an interesting article. But one sentence in their really bothers me. Because it exposes a bias in the writers opinion.

"Another nail in the "escaped from evil lab" theory?"

Personally, I'm of the opinion that this most likely did escape a lab. And I see no reason why a virus can't escape a lab but not be manipulated. And was likely because of piss poor safety standards that were documented in those labs. And it seems possible that patient 1 and 2 had associations with a lab tech and that lab tech dealt with the wet market. IMO, you gotta question science when they tell you one theory is absolutely off the table without any facts to back that up. They are using an opinion as a fact. It's not a fact yet. Because we don't yet know exactly where it came from. it's all still speculation. Meaning nothing should be off the table until we can rule it off the table with facts. But if you are removing a possibility from the scientific method before testing it, you have a reason to do that. And those reasons and those actions can cast a shadow on the rest of your claims.
 
@Mr. Bggs , all viruses have the same foundation, so it's not unheard of that you would/could an HIV med on a different virus. Now the key is using the right med for the right genomic pattern, which is fundamentally different than how we used to give medications, especially cancer meds.[/QUOTE]

I truly appreciate the information. I can not claim to understand most of what was said but just thought the article was interesting. I like to hear smarter takes than mine... which isn't hard at all to do.
 
Chuckman said:
Duke and UNC-CH have level 4 labs. So does CDC, the NIH, and many other universities. Not every level 4 lab is into engineering biologics for weapons.

@Jerzsubbie , if it's a bio weapon, it's a bad one. If they asked me to invent a bio weapon, I would not invent one where the target audience is non-MAPs who are old and sick.
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Not saying this is what it is, but if it was a bioweapon in progress that escaped before being "finished," it could explain its limited efficacy.
 
Brian K said:
It is absolutely laboratory created. By the Chinese. In a level 4 "research" lab (read military biological weapons research facility) in Wuhan.

The virus doesn't exhibit traits associated by a normal virus that mutates, it exhibits traits that indicate it was engineered to do something specific.

The big question is was this released accidentally or intentionally? Was this a trial run for the great Chinese equalizer?
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Or was it created in the US and released in Wuhan?
 
BlackGun said:
Slowly the truth is coming out. The media is suppressing the truth and so is the government. The Chinese Communist Party with the People’s Army have been doing this type research for decades. Obama set up pandemic response after intelligence showed what they were doing and the Chinese even published papers on their research.

The government, media, and even Trump are not giving us the full picture but eventually it will surface. Media fears people targeting Chinese. Government fears panic globally. Trump fears economic disaster and further problems from the Communist Party. Nobody knows if it was intentional or an accident and being it was in China never will. All information and scientific papers have been scrubbed. Wuhan Institute of Virology has always been the suspect. This ain’t no wet market mutation.
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Doing this for decades with grants from the NIH. Lots of dirty hands involved.
 
CZfool68 said:
Or was it created in the US and released in Wuhan?
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I have heard that the type of research on these types of virii was pretty much banned in the US circa 2014-2015 and thus they had to find a new place to do it in surrogate. Seimans, et al have their fingerprints all in this.
 
Ikarus1 said:
I have heard that the type of research on these types of virii was pretty much banned in the US circa 2014-2015 and thus they had to find a new place to do it in surrogate. Seimans, et al have their fingerprints all in this.
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There's a lot federal law won't allow us to do so private corporations go elsewhere; off-shore, Asia, etc.
 
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