Covid19 School Kids and No Contact

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Forsyth County have not had any contact with over 5 thousand kids since schools closed. I was unofficially told that number is around 10 thousand for Charlotte- Meck. Those numbers are way out of line with more rural schools. That’s some damn good parenting right there.
 
I see it.
Consider 80% of students in my school didnt do any work during this entire period.
You can call, email etc and nothing changes.
Well, I shouldnt say that, a few have done some work once the parents found out. Or they've started doing work once they realized they could boost their grade a bit. But few. Very few.
 
Let me rant a bit more, please.
This whole thing was such a crock of crap.
"accountability" was not a word ever truly considered, I believe. At least not on the state or county superintendent level.
Kids who did nothing - no consequences whatsoever.
My county made calls, emails, posted on social media. The schools each called, sent emails, and posted on social media. The information was out there, but nothing changed, just a bunch of kids hanging out and getting an additional 2 months to their summer vacation.

They're even making it EASIER to pass the courses, even for the kids who did nothing during any of this, ANOTHER opportunity to pass.

My school is wonderful, my principal is fantastic and thinks much like I do. But these things came from higher up
 
Let me rant a bit more, please.
This whole thing was such a crock of crap.
"accountability" was not a word ever truly considered, I believe. At least not on the state or county superintendent level.
Kids who did nothing - no consequences whatsoever.
My county made calls, emails, posted on social media. The schools each called, sent emails, and posted on social media. The information was out there, but nothing changed, just a bunch of kids hanging out and getting an additional 2 months to their summer vacation.

They're even making it EASIER to pass the courses, even for the kids who did nothing during any of this, ANOTHER opportunity to pass.

My school is wonderful, my principal is fantastic and thinks much like I do. But these things came from higher up
Too many people are soft on kids. When you announce the first week “don’t worry if the kids get behind” then it’s a losing battle. The school work was lessened across the state for distance learning. There was no reason it could not be achieved in half a school day or less. I assume the pass/fail or numerical grade selection option is still on the table. Is that still happening @HMP?
 
We never announced "dont worry..."
It was "here is your assigned work, we'll offer it online and paper copies, let us know if you need paper copies"
I had a kid today email me (keeping in mind, it's been 2 months) asking for ALL the work on paper, I told him no. He had months to get the stuff, Im not, and no one else in my school is, going back to print everything because he now sees he's close to an A and if he does some work he'll get it. Nope, Im not going back and printing all that stuff for that kid when he hasnt done squat in two months.

Anyway, you had parents who didnt check on kids, took their word on things when their kids lied to them etc
"Nope, my teachers didnt assign anything"...

It was a mess. And if this comes back up then I really hope that our state will get their crap together and hold kids accountable
 
And, Dr. Fauci testified today that schools shouldn't open in the fall.

Meanwhile, in homeschool land, our kids are chugging right along, with the exception of one son's machining class at the local community college. Slave driver mommy isn't cutting any slack.
 
And, Dr. Fauci testified today that schools shouldn't open in the fall.

Meanwhile, in homeschool land, our kids are chugging right along, with the exception of one son's machining class at the local community college. Slave driver mommy isn't cutting any slack.
I’ve seen the light during this damnpanic. Homeschooling can be better than public school if the parent is the enforcer. Too much “noise” before, during, and after school in a public school setting.
 
And, Dr. Fauci testified today that schools shouldn't open in the fall.

Meanwhile, in homeschool land, our kids are chugging right along, with the exception of one son's machining class at the local community college. Slave driver mommy isn't cutting any slack.
Most in NC believe January 2021 is the new target date.
 
I’ve seen the light during this damnpanic. Homeschooling can be better than public school if the parent is the enforcer. Too much “noise” before, during, and after school in a public school setting.

Down here in title 1 Pender County, about the only parenting some of these kids get is from teachers and admin during the school day.

In my wife's online classes, she was at about 40% -50% attendance and that was after hounding the parents of all the kids several times a week. After cooper announced school was effectively done for the year, 10% attended, instantly. Sad part is her numbers are still the best at her school. She has made paper copies of all assignments for the kids with no internet, 1/2 of those have not been picked up even after repeated calls.

I'm a huge advocate for home schooling, some people just cannot be taught, some dont give a crap. My friends that home school have the smartest, most well adjusted, socially advanced children and their parents are the ones that hold them accountable.
Funny thing, if children are raised to be responsible from an early age, it doesn't take a lot of effort to keep them on that path.
 
I had two guys who helped me on Saturdays andI taught them the trade as I went. Then came online teaching. Both slept in the truck on the way to and from. Watched TV if it was on in homes or leaned on equipment. Moaned about going to the truck for tools. I informed them to put there phones in the truck while working. Never got anything out of them when school routines went away. I told them I would not baby them like a teacher and we will be parting ways. One said he would do better. I told him too late, the world will not wait on you to shape up.
 
Down here in title 1 Pender County, about the only parenting some of these kids get is from teachers and admin during the school day.

In my wife's online classes, she was at about 40% -50% attendance and that was after hounding the parents of all the kids several times a week. After cooper announced school was effectively done for the year, 10% attended, instantly. Sad part is her numbers are still the best at her school. She has made paper copies of all assignments for the kids with no internet, 1/2 of those have not been picked up even after repeated calls.

I'm a huge advocate for home schooling, some people just cannot be taught, some dont give a crap. My friends that home school have the smartest, most well adjusted, socially advanced children and their parents are the ones that hold them accountable.
Funny thing, if children are raised to be responsible from an early age, it doesn't take a lot of effort to keep them on that path.

I am so thankful we stayed on Marshall in the early years. I am so busy with work right now that I have very little time to check on him. But he gets on all his live classes and does his work on his own. He asks questions when he needs to but otherwise he just gets it done. We came up with a few extra things for him to do like keyboarding, silent reading, and of course, playing outside. And he just kind of does them. Really grateful for that right now!
 
I am so thankful we stayed on Marshall in the early years. I am so busy with work right now that I have very little time to check on him. But he gets on all his live classes and does his work on his own. He asks questions when he needs to but otherwise he just gets it done. We came up with a few extra things for him to do like keyboarding, silent reading, and of course, playing outside. And he just kind of does them. Really grateful for that right now!


One of the secrets to good parenting is firm, loving, consistent discipline and teaching in the first 3-5 years. Makes everything after that SO much easier.

Unfortunately, what I see a lot of parents doing during the first 3-5 years is capitulating, cajoling, bargaining, counting, and reasoning with their kids. They are in a world of hurt down the road, as it is really hard to regain the ground lost during that age range.
 
One of the secrets to good parenting is firm, loving, consistent discipline and teaching in the first 3-5 years. Makes everything after that SO much easier.

Unfortunately, what I see a lot of parents doing during the first 3-5 years is capitulating, cajoling, bargaining, counting, and reasoning with their kids. They are in a world of hurt down the road, as it is really hard to regain the ground lost during that age range.

The same is true when you’re raising a wife. Heh heh.
 
Parenting is key, very few students are just naturally driven. Very few.

Even great students under normal circumstances have not been good during this.
It's too much freedom (gasp!)*
These kids are lacking the structure and discipline and so they dont do anything. And I get it. Trust me, I do. But, at the same time, when I have deadlines/things to do I damn do them

*Think of college freshmen - 18 years old and on their own for the first time, something like 50% dont come back the next year. Ok, now dial that back a few years and it's way worse. If these kids were in a college setting (as in the class structure) they'd be screwed.


@BlackGun brought up something good. Those boys messed up and got fired.
We, educators, are supposed to be preparing these kids for life. Teaching responsibility, accountability, respect, how to act in society etc
But, while we might do a fantastic job during the 'normal' year, we (ahem, the higher powers) have dropped the ball.

My assistant principal has personally driven work to students. Ive hand delivered work to students (while on the food buses, not me driving to their house). It was online and made available in paper form - just had to ask for it.
And then kids AND PARENTS front like we're targeting their little babies because NOW we wont go back and get them stuff from round one (round 4 is Thursday) because they were slack. It's still online for them to do, but, no, thats too much.

Sorry, Im a bit bitter.
Again, I love my job, I love my school, and I LOVE my administration. But its the higher powers which make some choices that I dont fully agree with. And that's mostly the state Im speaking of.
 
But these things came from higher up

It came from higher up than the Superintendents here in SC...I’ve known one all my life! I’ve heard a few frustration fueled rants. Quick decisions were made...one size fits all without any or little input from local school systems. Richer school districts could do on-line without much trouble while poorer and rural districts were left to “figure it out” on the fly. No matter the situation, it all comes down to the parents and as we know they are a problem for many kids now a days! Most parents look at the schools as a day care and free lunch provider and nothing else so this is really just a headache many don’t want to deal with!

My wife has loved relearning 8th grade algebra/geometry! :eek: My fifth grader is teaching herself and she’s about ready to graduate college and get to work! o_O
 
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I have one friend who helps his daughter every morning before he leaves for work. They work on school assignments from 7:30 to 10:00 then he goes to work. According to him the work load is not much at all. His daughter is 10 I believe. He has continuously made sure all each days lesson plan is complete while attending to a wife who has had two breast cancer surgeries in April and helps her recover. If they can go thru all they are facing and still manage to make sure there kid is learning what are these other parents not doing?

I saw on Facebook two weeks ago where a teacher was trying to encourage other teachers to revolt against Forsyth County Schools and the state so they could only be required to make a lesson and never leave the house to meet or deliver any work. She didn’t like the idea that the students don’t have to leave for anything so she doesn’t want to either. One of her comments was the school should have shut down in March because nobody is going to fail anyway.
 
I had a kid today email me (keeping in mind, it's been 2 months) asking for ALL the work on paper, I told him no. He had months to get the stuff, Im not, and no one else in my school is, going back to print everything because he now sees he's close to an A and if he does some work he'll get it. Nope, Im not going back and printing all that stuff for that kid when he hasnt done squat in two months.

Anyway, you had parents who didnt check on kids, took their word on things when their kids lied to them etc
"Nope, my teachers didnt assign anything"...

It was a mess. And if this comes back up then I really hope that our state will get their crap together and hold kids accountable
Hey now, I resemble that remark!
In my senior year, I just plain hated first period. I can't even remember what the class was, just that I showed up late every day, ate my breakfast, then slept until the bell rang to send me to 2nd period.
A couple weeks before the end of the semester, the teacher politely pulled me aside and said "Hey, you're failing right now. Here's all the work you slept through. You have until DDMMYYYY to get it done."
"Okay, I will."
I got an A in that class.

I also got suspended, kicked out of a few classes, and had to write an essay on how (regardless of the fact that i slept half the day and played gameboy for the rest of it and was still at the top of most of my classes) my constant poor behavior and disruptions were a problem for the other students and kept them from learning the course material. "Oh HELL no, turn around and keep walking the other way" was how I was greeted by the teacher when I walked into AP bio the first day of senior year.

My parents also didn't check up on me... You know those kids that got $50-$100 per A on their report card, or who got a new car if they got all Bs or better? I wasn't one of those kids at all. My parents demanded to see my report cards and gave me grief if i got A-, because nothing in the high school curriculum was hard enough that I should be doing any thing less than A. Mind you, my parents are not well-educated and literally couldn't have helped me with my homework if I asked them to...
 
My daughter is getting the grade she had when they left. The only options they were given were.

1-re do or make up assignments to improve their grade.

2- re take tests to improve their grade. As many times as needed.

There was no new work given. Only old assignments to re do. The super does not think kids can learn like that. Not much to do for kids that left with A’s.

We had to enroll her in an online college class for pre Calq so she would learn something. The rest we are not as concerned about.


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According to him the work load is not much at all.

When we (me and the other who teach this course) put together work for each round we really only did a couple hours worth of work.
So I was having kids submit their work to me THE NEXT DAY with all of the work for two weeks.
Maybe 3 hours of work per 2 weeks or so, light loads for sure
 
Don’t have kids, but a coworker says his son completes the full days course load in a couple of hours. Formal school has a lot of overhead waste built in and as we’ve discussed in other threads, the smart kids get left behind and the dumb and unmotivated don’t get anywhere. It just focuses on the middle.
 
And, Dr. Fauci testified today that schools shouldn't open in the fall.

Meanwhile, in homeschool land, our kids are chugging right along, with the exception of one son's machining class at the local community college. Slave driver mommy isn't cutting any slack.
Same at my house, if anything my kids are getting further ahead. My wife finally got on board with continuing all through summer and not having a break.
 
Don’t have kids, but a coworker says his son completes the full days course load in a couple of hours. Formal school has a lot of overhead waste built in and as we’ve discussed in other threads, the smart kids get left behind and the dumb and unmotivated don’t get anywhere. It just focuses on the middle.
yep. I don't have kids, but if I did I feel like I would try my hand at homeschooling. or at least home-supplementing.
Maybe at home I'd give them work to do at school in their spare time...
I remember when I was a kid, I'd get home from school and my dad would have written up a sheet of math problems for me to QUIETLY do while he watched tv... I'm still trying to decide which one of us benefited from that arrangement. But i did wind up in the advanced math...
 
And the minority of students working hard during this time, like my kiddo .... probably doing better than he would have in class? When regular school starts back up certain people will be quite unhappy at who made progress during this time.

Prediction: They will then be stifled, somehow.

Let me think up a good rant about the schools I work at. You guys just wouldn't believe it.

EDIT: Oh for example, sort of in the vein of Cooper's announcement and then instant attendance drop, one school changed the criteria for "compassionate withdraw" and immediately most classes I'm familiar with had that number of students double.
 
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Prediction: They will then be stifled, somehow.

Of course. They had preexisting standards. Once kids come in unable to meet those standards, the % of kids not meeting the standards does up and it makes the school look bad. The kids who are doing well will have to wait until the other kids catch up to the minimum acceptable levels.
Not like they're going to let the kids ahead into advanced or accelerated programs - that would make the other kids feel bad.
 
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Nineteen children, ages 9 to 16, have been accused of stealing more than $1.1 million in vehicles from Winston-Salem car dealerships.
Saw on Nextdoor yesterday a report of a group of teens roaming through a local neighborhood at 2:30am wearing dark hoodies with the hood up. The internet Karen was complaining that they weren’t “social distancing”. :rolleyes:
 
That is just ridiculous.

It’s just getting silly at this point. Makes it hard to take things seriously. I’m over it. My kids back in daycare. I’ll eat at whatever restaurant is willing to open. I’ll gather in any group that interests me. Once we start talking about shutting down education to an entire generation for over a year, shutting down economies for over a year...I’m out..games not fun anymore. Don’t want to play.

this all begs the question “WTF are we going to do when we get hit with a REAL pandemic?”. Not some b!t($ virus w/ 2% mortality rate mostly affecting the old and weak...but an actual species level threat....
 
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After retiring from another career I went to work in the school system teaching handicapped kids, we print out work that they usually can not read without help. A lot if the time their parents can't help them either because as they say, the apple does not fall from the tree. We do have some that try, but with the kids I work with this deal we have now is not a viable option. It is not the teachers fault. The guidelines for this "school at home" come from from the state and the schools are doing what they are told.

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I dont recall if I mentioned it before:
For the kids who did the work assigned they CAN boost their grade, and some are taking advantage of that.
I dont know if all districts allowed/offered it, but ours did.

Again, the state should have set some STANDARDS with all of this
 
Spoke to a customer this morning. Due to the lack of school work assigned during this damnpanic she is making inquiries into enrolling in the districts online school or a home school program. She and her friends are evaluating which would be the best option.

The online public school option is free and does not take away public funding from the system. It was started to combat the losses associated with home schooling. She said she is not having her kids get further behind without a decision on when school goes back to normal. We may see many more opt for different methods due to the inept public school leadership. Those BS of protecting the schools image is disgusting. Teachers hands are tied by the leaders in Raleigh.
 
Teachers hands are tied by the leaders in Raleigh.

PREACH IT!

Brother, tehy should have had a dang plan when they shut us down.
And, as stated, we did EVERYTHING possible to get kids their work. Can you do it online? Cool, here it is.
Cant do it online? Just ask, we'll print it out and you can pick it up on X Day.
Cant come pick it up? WE'LL DELIVER IT TO YOU.

And this was made aware to the folks by phone, email, and social media. Not even counting the fact that kids and parents talk.
But, no, kids didnt work and then the state is all like, "well we cant fail them..." And we cant 'punish' for not doing the work etc.
We're supposed to teach them, but they dont want to be taught and NC wont allow us to teach them the lesson of doing what youre supposed to
 
Found the kids, they found something else to do.


WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. —

Nineteen children, ages 9 to 16, have been accused of stealing more than $1.1 million in vehicles from Winston-Salem car dealerships.

The thefts started March 17, according to Winston-Salem police.

https://www.wxii12.com/article/19-c...s-from-winston-salem-car-dealerships/32316111
I saw that. They will get no punishment. With the new law they cannot even at 16 be sentenced as adults for crimes. There records will also be sealed as juveniles. Again that goes back to the lack of having parents most of the time. I saw lots of comments on Facebook claiming it was not the kids fought but an unfair society which caused them to commit the crimes.
 
Saw on Nextdoor yesterday a report of a group of teens roaming through a local neighborhood at 2:30am wearing dark hoodies with the hood up. The internet Karen was complaining that they weren’t “social distancing”. :rolleyes:
Oh for Pete's sake. Those are just masks with ventilation ;)
 
PREACH IT!

Brother, tehy should have had a dang plan when they shut us down.
And, as stated, we did EVERYTHING possible to get kids their work. Can you do it online? Cool, here it is.
Cant do it online? Just ask, we'll print it out and you can pick it up on X Day.
Cant come pick it up? WE'LL DELIVER IT TO YOU.

And this was made aware to the folks by phone, email, and social media. Not even counting the fact that kids and parents talk.
But, no, kids didnt work and then the state is all like, "well we cant fail them..." And we cant 'punish' for not doing the work etc.
We're supposed to teach them, but they dont want to be taught and NC wont allow us to teach them the lesson of doing what youre supposed to
It’s sad. I have a lot of high school teacher and coach friends. Most are near retirement and have become bitter at the process. It was a great profession up until the 90’s when the family unit collapsed. The parents began this entitlement and disrespect for elders and educators.

I disagree with educators that it’s not a good paying job for 200 work days a year but I couldn’t do it due to the stress from lack of support from administrators. My teacher friends are doing stuff volunteers did in my era such as working football gates, fundraising, and extra hours to catch up one rotten ass kid after the school day should have ended.
 
Let me say this - Ive never complained about my salary.
Would I like more, sure! But I think its a decent wage. I own a house, I have toys (two cars, five motorcycles, guns...some very expensive (to me/many), and a growing record collection etc), I take a vacation each year for about a week to some city and explore, I do a lot during the year for fun. And it's just me. No wife/partner, just me.

Coach pay is a joke, but if youre doing that for the money youre not right for that. Im there for the boys. Hell, I dont even really like soccer..but I love those kids and Im there for them.

But, again, if they want to bump my pay - BRING IT! lol
 
These kids are lacking the structure and discipline
I could have used a lot more structure and parenting as I got to my senior year of high school.....parents have got to parent....lol.....
 
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Revisiting this thread about China Flu and schools. My friend told me he ultimately decided to go full online for his daughter who is 10. He said of her class of 24 students only eight children are doing the rotation of two days physically at the building which came to 4 kids each day.

He also is not happy as they did not continue on a path last year which lead to doubling up on the work this year to get students back on track. The parents have been communicating and are very upset because now they are doing school for 12 hours a day.

I would not be surprised to see many more private schools open in the next two years. Given the racial issues and the cluster Ole Roy Cooper has created I have spoken to many customers who are looking into charters and privates. Christian private and parochial schools should see applications increase next year dramatically.
 
We see about 80% returning to in-class education
 
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