Minneapolis To Disband Police Department

This is going to be the biggest part of the change.

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For those of you who don't know...

The real job of law enforcement is to keep you...from actually knowing how much bad there is right around you. What you see is probably a 1/3 or less of what actually happens in the criminal world every single day. Their efforts are the reason you can go to the concerts, shopping and see the world as a "not so bad" place.

I know, you guys will lash back on this comment but it is the truth.

For those who think just a sheriff can handle it....you are sadly mistaken. You are thinking of an old western movie. Population was WAY less, it's no longer a "one horse town" kinda world. Not to mention sheriff's in NC are elected "politicians" and wouldn't have a clue how to even begin.
 
For those of you who don't know...

The real job of law enforcement is to keep you...from actually knowing how much bad there is right around you. What you see is probably a 1/3 or less of what actually happens in the criminal world every single day. Their efforts are the reason you can go to the concerts, shopping and see the world as a "not so bad" place.

I know, you guys will lash back on this comment but it is the truth.

For those who think just a sheriff can handle it....you are sadly mistaken. You are thinking of an old western movie. Population was WAY less, it's no longer a "one horse town" kinda world. Not to mention sheriff's in NC are elected "politicians" and wouldn't have a clue how to even begin.
You don't see 5% of what really goes on.
 
Im really starting to believe this is going to usher in a National police force

That could be part of their master plan.

Does this also mean that everybody who guards elected officials, judges, and government buildings will also be eliminated? I suppose they will not have any car registration because there will be no one to haul you in if you do not pay for it. Might as well save money and take down all the speed limit signs. Sounds interesting.
 
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Who will be blamed if crime increase like I think it will ... certainly not the idiots who voted to disband the police I am betting they’ll find some way to blame some branch of law enforcement be it the neutered MPD (if anything remains), the Hennepin Co Sheriff, the State police ... hell even the Feds?

Well you see, police HAD TO BE disbanded because they're fascists. and everybody knows that conservatives are fascists because that's what antifa is screaming and the news is playing. So when the conservatives pull out and let crime skyrocket, it will disproportionately affect people of color in the cities that were left to fend on their own because all the good people were tired of being abused by the republican cops.
If it weren't for trump and all his deplorables, we wouldn't have this problem.
 
For those of you who don't know...

The real job of law enforcement is to keep you...from actually knowing how much bad there is right around you. What you see is probably a 1/3 or less of what actually happens in the criminal world every single day. Their efforts are the reason you can go to the concerts, shopping and see the world as a "not so bad" place.

I know, you guys will lash back on this comment but it is the truth.

For those who think just a sheriff can handle it....you are sadly mistaken. You are thinking of an old western movie. Population was WAY less, it's no longer a "one horse town" kinda world. Not to mention sheriff's in NC are elected "politicians" and wouldn't have a clue how to even begin.
You don't see 5% of what really goes on.
I've often said, that people should go sit and observe a typical day of criminal court. It would open their eyes.
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Once met an ex-sherriff that said, My job was to deal with the bad people of the world, so you don't have to.
 
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I volunteer at the county jail, there are an aweful lot of people hanging out in there for the police not to be doing anything.

I think we need to re-market the term, RETARD. These people are truly living in another plane of existence from me.
 
The bangers will be stealing the good stuff in the rich neighborhoods when there are no police to stop them. Just wait until that starts happening and see how quickly we get the PD back.
Well, currently the cops might make an ‘arrest’ and then the thug will be off the streets for a few hours before pledging to return to ‘court’ via an unsecured ‘bond’. Maybe, just maybe, after they’ve victimized multiple people, they might get a longer term incarceration paid for by the People via compulsory taken dollars, which in reality will be a thug finishing school where they can refine their craft.

Instead, a better option would be for their intended victim to make them dead right there and not have to worry about the govt. showing up to protect and serve the rights of the thug by trying to bring the victim before the legal system at their personal expense.
 
Well you see, police HAD TO BE disbanded because they're fascists. and everybody knows that conservatives are fascists because that's what antifa is screaming and the news is playing. So when the conservatives pull out and let crime skyrocket, it will disproportionately affect people of color in the cities that were left to fend on their own because all the good people were tired of being abused by the republican cops.
If it weren't for trump and all his deplorables, we wouldn't have this problem.
I thought most cops and their unions were dems. A repubican wasn't even an option during the last sherrif election here in Chatham Co.
 
I thought most cops and their unions were dems. A repubican wasn't even an option during the last sherrif election here in Chatham Co.

The point was that, if cops are fascists, and republicans are fascists, then that must mean all cops are republicans.


This is a logical fallacy, but still.
 
Well, currently the cops might make an ‘arrest’ and then the thug will be off the streets for a few hours before pledging to return to ‘court’ via an unsecured ‘bond’. Maybe, just maybe, after they’ve victimized multiple people, they might get a longer term incarceration paid for by the People via compulsory taken dollars, which in reality will be a thug finishing school where they can refine their craft.

Instead, a better option would be for their intended victim to make them dead right there and not have to worry about the govt. showing up to protect and serve the rights of the thug by trying to bring the victim before the legal system at their personal expense.

Yeah, because everyone in the world is Tactical Timmy and will kill them all. You don't really believe that innocent lives won't be lost due to the criminal element if the PD is disbanded do you? Sure, some will meet their maker but others won't. Criminals aren't stupid. They will target the easy ones first, like your grandmother going to the store, the disabled and mother's with young kids. But hey, that's all worth it to get rid of the big bad Poleeeece.
 
Protesters: 'Oh, goodie! We got what we wanted, lets protest for more changes'.

Let's see how this will turn out.
Exactly. They have won the battle and are supported by media. This is not the end. The injustice will be in other forms. Free this, free that. Free payoff to appease the masses. All paid for by White privilege. You will be taxed to fund it all or their will be buildings burning until cities look like Syria after revolt.
 
White flight. It has happened before. Can we say Detroit.
as soon as the first building went up in flames, I figured that's where minneapolis was heading.
I spent a lot of time living/driving from the suburbs (2 blocks north of 9 mile) and crossing over 8 mile into detroit. you wouldn't think a political boundary could make such a difference.
 
Remember when Wyatt Earp got let go by dodge city then Ed Masterson took over? I don't think it was long after that Ed Masterson was murdered and they were asking for Wyatt to come back to restore order. You remember Earp's words to Materson, "Ed your affable, maybe you should be a politician". I would expect much of the same if they totally disband all the police.
 
For those of you who don't know...

The real job of law enforcement is to keep you...from actually knowing how much bad there is right around you. What you see is probably a 1/3 or less of what actually happens in the criminal world every single day. Their efforts are the reason you can go to the concerts, shopping and see the world as a "not so bad" place.

I know, you guys will lash back on this comment but it is the truth.

For those who think just a sheriff can handle it....you are sadly mistaken. You are thinking of an old western movie. Population was WAY less, it's no longer a "one horse town" kinda world. Not to mention sheriff's in NC are elected "politicians" and wouldn't have a clue how to even begin.

First and foremost- I'm not lashing at this, I know it's true because you're not the first person I know that has (or had) firsthand experience.
But why? Why is this the real job of LE? People should know how bad it is, so they can:
1. protect themselves/be prepared
2. personally push for change in their neighborhoods
3. hold politicians (and police chiefs) accountable when they tie LEOs hands
4. hold judges/judiciary accountable when they turn them back out onto the streets

I know, most people are sheep and don't want to know how bad it is, but they should.
Is this "culture of secrecy" adding to why bad apples are allowed to continue to be bad apples?
Knowledge is power- to everyone, even if they really don't want that knowledge.
 
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First and foremost- I'm not lashing at this, I know it's true because you're not the first person I know that has (or had) firsthand experience.
But why? Why is this the real job of LE? People should know how bad it is, so they can:
1. protect themselves/be prepared
2. personally push for change in their neighborhoods
3. hold politicians (and police chiefs) accountable when they tie LEOs hands
4. hold judges/judiciary accountable when they turn them back out onto the streets

I know, most people are sheep and don't want to know how bad it is, but they should.
Is this "culture of secrecy" adding to why bad apples are allowed to continue to be bad apples?
Knowledge is power- to everyone, even if they really don't want that knowledge.

I think one issue we overlook is that, by and large, police function as a containment system. If you look at a crime map, and heck even these riot maps, they are all in small areas. The absolute vast majority of the country is pretty darn peaceful. But you get to inner cities therein lies the problem. I live in a small town next to Winston. We have some crime, but by and large the whole area is a "safe" place.

This is also, in some ways, where the "not in my backyard!" mentality comes from. We dont want shopping malls, business centers, apartment complexes, and so forth popping up because often times those things can bring in a "bad element".

For example...if you ask any cop where the worst part of town is, they will probably immediately tell you of a specific confined area where the majority of their resources are spent.
 
I think one issue we overlook is that, by and large, police function as a containment system. If you look at a crime map, and heck even these riot maps, they are all in small areas. The absolute vast majority of the country is pretty darn peaceful. But you get to inner cities therein lies the problem. I live in a small town next to Winston. We have some crime, but by and large the whole area is a "safe" place.

This is also, in some ways, where the "not in my backyard!" mentality comes from. We dont want shopping malls, business centers, apartment complexes, and so forth popping up because often times those things can bring in a "bad element".

For example...if you ask any cop where the worst part of town is, they will probably immediately tell you of a specific confined area where the majority of their resources are spent.

I don't disagree with this- but I still don't think it should be kept quiet about how bad it really is- to me personally, it's a disservice.
An additional point to the 4 above-
5. by knowing, people can advocate getting the LEOs what they need to effectively fight crime. Without knowing, people do assume they have everything they need (manpower, technology, whatever). But by the same token, people would know what the LEOs don't need.
 
I don't disagree with this- but I still don't think it should be kept quiet about how bad it really is- to me personally, it's a disservice.
An additional point to the 4 above-
5. by knowing, people can advocate getting the LEOs what they need to effectively fight crime. Without knowing, people do assume they have everything they need (manpower, technology, whatever). But by the same token, people would know what the LEOs don't need.

I also don't disagree, really, but is it >really< kept quiet? Police arrest records are public, there are sex offender registries we can look up, there are major TV shows that were based on COPS in real life. So I dont really think the issue is that it is kept secret how bad things are, but more an honest desire of most people to not want to know.

Again, i think the vast majority of Americans are perfectly happy with the police, the way they function, and with the legal system at large. But when dealing with a population of 320 million people, it is going to be easy to pinpoint specific examples of overreach, abuse, and wrong doing. The difference I mainly see is that when I was younger (which was only 20-30 years ago) the bad guys were bad guys, now bad guys are "under represented and disenfranchised elements of society who are a victim of white male privilege and kept held back by an overtly abusive police force".
 
First and foremost- I'm not lashing at this, I know it's true because you're not the first person I know that has (or had) firsthand experience.
But why? Why is this the real job of LE? People should know how bad it is, so they can:
1. protect themselves/be prepared
2. personally push for change in their neighborhoods
3. hold politicians (and police chiefs) accountable when they tie LEOs hands
4. hold judges/judiciary accountable when they turn them back out onto the streets

I know, most people are sheep and don't want to know how bad it is, but they should.
Is this "culture of secrecy" adding to why bad apples are allowed to continue to be bad apples?
Knowledge is power- to everyone, even if they really don't want that knowledge.

It's kinda like when you were raising your children. They don't need to be exposed to every evil in the world and that was your job, too protect them from that and allow them to have a happier life.

But, if anyone really wants to know, I'm sure the application process is open.
 
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I think one issue we overlook is that, by and large, police function as a containment system. If you look at a crime map, and heck even these riot maps, they are all in small areas. The absolute vast majority of the country is pretty darn peaceful. But you get to inner cities therein lies the problem. I live in a small town next to Winston. We have some crime, but by and large the whole area is a "safe" place.

This is also, in some ways, where the "not in my backyard!" mentality comes from. We dont want shopping malls, business centers, apartment complexes, and so forth popping up because often times those things can bring in a "bad element".

For example...if you ask any cop where the worst part of town is, they will probably immediately tell you of a specific confined area where the majority of their resources are spent.

I feel certain that there are parts of the country that can get by without police. The small town I grew up in didn't have police, and a Sheriff's deputy was a 25 minute drive away on a good day if you needed one, so most of the time there was no LE presence at all. That said, crime was low aside from people speeding on the country roads.

Seems the need for a police force goes up as the population goes up. I feel like big cities need some sort of LE to help maintain order. Its going to be interesting watching things in Minneapolis in the next year or so. See if those with the means to leave get out of dodge, or hire private security for their neighborhoods. See what the crime rate does (both "official" and reported by residents). You could very well end up with one of those situations you find in some European countries where the citizens tell you crime is out of control, while the govt says there's virtually no crime at all.
 
It's kinda like when you were raising your children. They don't need to be exposed to every evil in the world and that was your job, too protect them from that and allow them to have a happier life.

But, if anyone really wants to know, I'm sure the application process is open.
Haha, you know my crippled up old ass ain't going to apply- and if I did, they would laugh at me for trying.
 
Ive spent some time in MN/SP and out in the "country" an hour or two from metro. Two different worlds. The folks out in the "country" dont spend any time in the city. They didnt like it 20 yrs ago. The city has "gerbil tubes" and tunnels that connect all the buildings so you dont have to go outside in the winter. Its different there to be sure. Still I am stunned that the city council would even consider disbanding the Po Po much less actually doing it. I could see firing the chief and putting all the rank and file on double secret probation but not doing away with the whole department. If the whole force went on strike, I think the anarchists, thugs and looters would have a field day(s).
 
Once upon a time SPAM were pretty cool towns (and, incidentally, where the meat product 'spam' is from, hence the name). I enjoyed spending some time there in the late 80s and early 90s. But, man, they have become unglued and off the hinges. I have family in Hudson, Wisconsin (right across border) and Stillwater, MN (super close), and they all drive to Eau Claire if they need to go to "a city". None of them go to SPAM anymore.
 
They aren’t getting rid of the police. They are renaming them (rebranding them) as public safety, and they will be special purpose groups for different purposes, no doubt tailored to politicians being able to hand out favors and jobs, and also no doubt allowing sharia patrols as the local “public safety” at least in areas that want it, and probably more.

Watch and learn. They aren’t giving up any power or policing revenue. They are just going to make it more corrupt and enable public funding of religious police (but only certain kinds of course). All designed to build power for the left, and insulate it from accountability. Like body cam requirements for police won’t apply to “grass roots public safety teams”.

NEVER let a crisis go to waste.
 
This. This is a HUGE part of the problem, well in this country anyway.
This is also the hardest part to find information on. I can use websites like spot crime.com to find out what is going on in what parts of the city, but it’s difficult to find information on releases from jail and what crime events they had been associated with.
 
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