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Atlanta Cop Shooting
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I feel badly for the people of color that aren’t thugs, it seems like they are all getting lumped together in an overtly racist way by the media, by BLM, actually by everyone that makes money from these situations.
The same sh*t applies to the WHITE people..... Look around it's everywhere...
It applies to almost every group of people, period.
Gun owners catch it each time some A-hole shoots up a place
Muslims catch it each time some A-hole terrorize a place
White people catch it each time some A-hole kills a non white
Black people catch it each time some A-hole burns down a business
etc etc
Hell, when I was about 21/22 years old I had to explain to my grandmother that me and my friends werent thugs beating up people because she saw a report on 20/20 or something that was about how Straight Edge folks (dont drink, smoke, or drugs) were beating up folks out in SLC, UT and in Florida. Again, some A-holes hurting people for fun put a label on many
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If your attorney is admitting guilt, you need a better attorney.
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Can any LEO explain why two officers failed to control one man that was so drunk he passed out in his car?
Why they were so slow that they couldn't chase down said drunk man?
Is it a failure of training?
Failure to maintain physical fitness standards?
It seems to me that most execrable force and questionable officer involved shootings are by LEO'S that appear to be overweight and or of shape.
This particular case is certainly questionable. I understand the arguments on both sides.
I don't understand burning things down in response.
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Why they were so slow that they couldn't chase down said drunk man?
Is it a failure of training?
Failure to maintain physical fitness standards?
It seems to me that most execrable force and questionable officer involved shootings are by LEO'S that appear to be overweight and or of shape.
This particular case is certainly questionable. I understand the arguments on both sides.
I don't understand burning things down in response.
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One reason that they may be a little slower and look over weight is that they are carrying around 40 lbs of equipment. Not all cops are invincible MMA submission artists. They are humans and no matter how bad one is, there's always someone else out there badder than you are. Some have been on the force for years and a 40+ year old officer kitted out is rarely going to outrun a 27 year old in a t-shirt and tennis shoes.
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if you don’t believe that the lawyer is a spirit animal channel guide medium thing that talks to the souls of his dead clients, well, then your a racist a-hole.
Have you ever had to handcuff a combative person? I haven't but I've seen it a bunch and it's not easy.
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Years ago I was speaking with a huge SC Trooper. He was telling a similar story as this one. He was a big guy, probably 6'3" or better and about 250lbs.
He was called to check on a man sleeping in a car under an overpass. This was back when they had to flip a switch in the cruiser to activate their handheld when they left the car. He forgot.
He went up to the car and woke the guy up. He said the guy was no more than 5'5" and 130 soaking wet. He gave him a sobriety test and the guy failed. He told him he would have to impound the car and take him in. He said it was on then!
Suddenly the guy was all over him and was all he could handle. He tried to call for backup but his radio wasn't tied to the car. He thought the guy was going to get his gun and kill him.
Finally, he got a hold of him and body slammed him on his back on the guardrail knocking him out.
I asked what kind of sentence the guy got when he went to court. The Trooper said that he got off! I asked why? The Trooper said that he didn't show up to testify because he didn't want all his buddies to know that that little drunk guy was whooping his ass!
He was called to check on a man sleeping in a car under an overpass. This was back when they had to flip a switch in the cruiser to activate their handheld when they left the car. He forgot.
He went up to the car and woke the guy up. He said the guy was no more than 5'5" and 130 soaking wet. He gave him a sobriety test and the guy failed. He told him he would have to impound the car and take him in. He said it was on then!
Suddenly the guy was all over him and was all he could handle. He tried to call for backup but his radio wasn't tied to the car. He thought the guy was going to get his gun and kill him.
Finally, he got a hold of him and body slammed him on his back on the guardrail knocking him out.
I asked what kind of sentence the guy got when he went to court. The Trooper said that he got off! I asked why? The Trooper said that he didn't show up to testify because he didn't want all his buddies to know that that little drunk guy was whooping his ass!
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Indeed. Those "attorneys" said a lot of stupid stuff that's going to undermine their case. Just dumb.
Wellllll, it is A reason.
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Just for clarification from experience and yes, it's first hand, most people that fall asleep in a drive through, at a stop light, really any place that makes no sense to the average citizen like that are usually, again from past experience, high on heroin or a combination of narcotics. Used to see it all the time and it's not usually that they "fell asleep", they were usually headed to overdose land and death's front door and "being awoken" changed that path. Seen every reaction from complete passiveness to fighting like the third monkey trying to get on the ark. There is no "standard". The ones who know what that reaction was were the officers on scene, but their voice won't be heard as the public will cry for crucifixion without a trial, but the "suspect" getting a taser, which is in a positive retention holster, says that he was fighting and intentionally trying to harm the officers. But that narrative will never matter to the public.
There a thing, it's called "excited delirium" ....the public would be wise to educate themselves about it prior to judging.
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Burn Baby Burn............H. "Rap" Brown 1968.....let's get it ON!
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Is there a definate way for the officer to know that was just a taser being pointed at him in that split second? Could it have been a concealed pistol?
Racissssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've been asking why they seem to pick the worst cases to push for a while now. That's as good a reason as I can think of. Because there are any number of cases out there that are solidly bad uses of force. But hey, let's burn down Furgeson over a lie instead!
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"You better stop your hidin' or your country will burn"
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That’d be a good start.
It sucks for those who aren’t involved in this mess and aren’t able to defend themselves should something bad happen where they actually need police... such as an elderly person with no family nearby.
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Very good question.
I do believe, only briefly reading the headline as I'm sick of this whole "hate on blue" crap, there was more than one officer that responded.
So....let's play a possible situation out just for hypothetical craps and giggles:
Two officers respond, one goes to drivers door other to passenger side. Officer "awakens" suspect, suspect impaired by whatever (possibly seeing dragons or umpalumpahs) in his merry high state begins to fight as the dragons or umpahlumpas are attacking (remember, when high on narcotics, not proven yet here) the person DOES NOT HAVE the same reality of what's going on as a sober person.
Well, dam it, it's a DRAGON or umpalumpa and the fight must be approached with swiftness and aggression as dragons and umpahlumpas are quite the opponent so the suspect really goes into the fight hard.
The suspect grabs the first weapon he sees, any weapon from the closest officer, begins his flight to freedom. The other officer wasn't able to get in the fight before the suspect grabbed a weapon and fled, all he saw was a weapon and now.....now it's pointed at him.
BANG!
You ever been shot at? At close range? As in within about 20'? Multiple times? By a deranged person who could care less about you, your family....only about themselves?
I have. So yes, before you say I'm just rambling, I have first hand experience, heard the rounds buzz by me, experience.
I think in most of these cases, facts don't matter. All that they are fed is a po-po killed a black person. The cop's race usually doesn't matter. However, if said cop is white then it is an added bonus. People fail to educate themselves before going off on a tangent. George Floyd, abosultely people (all people) should be upset. This case, fight with cops, take a weapon, and possibly point weapon at cop. Let's wait and see what cameras show. We have seen it before how eyewitness accounts are highly inaccurate. Police chief, resigns her position but stays on the force, officer fired, all In a matter of hours??? Either this is really, really, bad shooting or their is total lack of letting the evidence work it way to an conclusion.
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No, it's now, "evidence doesn't matter" as no matter what the outcome, is over, in every way, for those officers once the media spins the public into its usual frenzy by reporting what they want to be believed. THAT'S FACT.
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Everybody knows we are a country of law and order, everybody. Resisting arrest is not a wise way to go about life when one understands the escalation of force can result in ones death. It’s as simple as going along with the LEO’s, having your day in court and living to see another day.The way media glorifies these idiots that resist should be criminal in itself; every time the evening news shows another black being wasted most whites are reinforced with another shot of supremacy.
Seems like you don’t have to be a brain surgeon to realize that:
1. you fight the cops. 2. you steal a taser. 3. you fire said taser at the cops.
You’re gunna get shot.
1. you fight the cops. 2. you steal a taser. 3. you fire said taser at the cops.
You’re gunna get shot.
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I can also tell you I have personally witnessed a 30 something, white female crackhead that weighed about 110 pounds soaking wet actually fight AND lift three police officers, weighing about 230 apiece (minus gear so add about 25 pounds to those weights) off the ground as she was lying on the ground on her stomach.
You guessed it, excited delirium, bad crack (cocaine) hit.
They were able to dose her with Narcan and within minutes she returned to this planet....
Excited delirium is a real thing. The body goes into serious overdrive, strength is multiplied many times over, judgement is non existent and the body will continue like that until the heart actually stops from over work and the resulting cardiac event.
If I'm not mistaken, Floyd showed many of these signs.
You guessed it, excited delirium, bad crack (cocaine) hit.
They were able to dose her with Narcan and within minutes she returned to this planet....
Excited delirium is a real thing. The body goes into serious overdrive, strength is multiplied many times over, judgement is non existent and the body will continue like that until the heart actually stops from over work and the resulting cardiac event.
If I'm not mistaken, Floyd showed many of these signs.
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People get the leadership for which they vote.
The fact that the mayor made a public statement condemning the officer’s actions—to shoot someone that had already gone hands-on with active resistance and stole an incapacitating weapon with demonstrated on-camera intent to use that weapon on the officer—tells me that Atlanta is getting the fires and social unrest for which they voted.
That mayor is a weak-souled reactionary viewing the world through victim-tinted glasses, promulgating social unrest and an untrue narrative to solidify a powerful voting bloc.
Cops should be held responsible for every use of force, and they should be prosecuted for civil rights violations. They should not be fired and publicly excoriated by their local leadership for responding appropriately to active aggression in a late-night fight, all caught on camera.
The fact that the mayor made a public statement condemning the officer’s actions—to shoot someone that had already gone hands-on with active resistance and stole an incapacitating weapon with demonstrated on-camera intent to use that weapon on the officer—tells me that Atlanta is getting the fires and social unrest for which they voted.
That mayor is a weak-souled reactionary viewing the world through victim-tinted glasses, promulgating social unrest and an untrue narrative to solidify a powerful voting bloc.
Cops should be held responsible for every use of force, and they should be prosecuted for civil rights violations. They should not be fired and publicly excoriated by their local leadership for responding appropriately to active aggression in a late-night fight, all caught on camera.
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What people don't think about is that when an altercation becomes physical with police there is ALWAYS a weapon involved, the officers. Many "bad people" know how to defeat a level three holster and will attempt to do so. If that officer had been tased that weapon may have been used on him and/or any and all bystanders present. Officers remember this when in an altercation, the public NEVER even considers this fact.
In that video I do believe he was able to contact stun the officer. The officer chasing him appears to have been able to make contact with his teaser but some people are immune to a taser, I have seen people pull the leads out and keep fighting, apparently it had no effect.
In that video I do believe he was able to contact stun the officer. The officer chasing him appears to have been able to make contact with his teaser but some people are immune to a taser, I have seen people pull the leads out and keep fighting, apparently it had no effect.
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