Posting another thread asking for opinions, .300 BLK AR pistol.

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More ramblings of a blithering idiot....:D

*background*
Currently have a 5.56 AR pistol in my bedroom for home defense. Has the tactical light and a pistol brace and a set of electronic ear muffs hanging on it so I don’t deafen myself if anything ever happens to go bump in the night.

*however*
I got a chance to shoot a .300blk saint with a silencerco can and can see (hear) the major difference between shooting that and a friends form 1’d (I think) wish . com can. He did it the proper way, I’m just not sure if I’m remembering the details correctly.

That kinda ignited a interest in converting my rifle to .300BLK and not have to worry about murdering my ears if I don’t put the earmuffs on in great haste for bump in the night type situations.

I’ll do the research on my own as far as converting my 5.56 AR to .300BLK but I’m more curious with the Covid stuff, what’s the easiest way to go with filing for a suppressor? I am assuming the wait time is still a couple months if they are even accepting current applications. Other questions include, would a AR pistol still be covered under my CCW if it’s a NFA item? (Or has a NFA item attached to it?) And anything weird I’d need to know about home defense with a NFA item? Lastly, any recommendations on a can? I see some new ones that don’t appear to gas your face according to their ads.

Appreciate not being burned at the stake. I’ve been out of the loop for ~6 months and I don’t know if anything major has changed. :oops:

- T.
 
CarolinaColtCollector said:
1. I got a chance to shoot a .300blk saint with a silencerco can and can see (hear) the major difference between shooting that and a friends form 1’d (I think) wish . com can. He did it the proper way, I’m just not sure if I’m remembering the details correctly.

That kinda ignited a interest in converting my rifle to .300BLK and not have to worry about murdering my ears if I don’t put the earmuffs on in great haste for bump in the night type situations.

2. I’ll do the research on my own as far as converting my 5.56 AR to .300BLK but I’m more curious with the Covid stuff, what’s the easiest way to go with filing for a suppressor? I am assuming the wait time is still a couple months if they are even accepting current applications.

3. Other questions include, would a AR pistol still be covered under my CCW if it’s a NFA item? (Or has a NFA item attached to it?)

4. And anything weird I’d need to know about home defense with a NFA item?

5. Lastly, any recommendations on a can? I see some new ones that don’t appear to gas your face according to their ads.

6. Appreciate not being burned at the stake. I’ve been out of the loop for ~6 months and I don’t know if anything major has changed. :oops:

- T.
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1. I’ll group the first two paragraphs above together. If you’re shooting supers out of the 300BLK, not a whole lot of reason to convert from 5.56. You can shoot 5.56 suppressed. It’s not going to be pleasant, but it’s waaaaaaaaaay better than unsuppressed.

2. If you want to make your own, file through EForms. If you want to buy one, find a dealer or use the Silencer Shop network. Covid has nothing to do with any of it, unless you’re trying to get fingerprints done at some PDs...which makes no difference because you can roll your own or use the SS kiosk. Wait time is ~30 days for an EForm 1, or 3-15 months (no, that’s not a typo) for a paper Form 4.

3. Technically, no. Your CHP (no such thing as a CCW) is a concealed handgun permit.

4. Not really. Some would tell you if others live with you and would have access to the NFA items for an HD situation, then you need to file as an entity and have them included as RPs.

5. Tons of options. Adjustable gas block and a good charging handle can help with the gas as much, if not more, than picking a different silencer.

6. It hasn’t.
 
I appreciate the rapid response. I’ll do a little more research on this page to get the eform stuff.

Touching on the subjects in numerical order:

1) I should have specified, I did mean subsonic but I didn’t say it. My bad, I should have elaborated a little.

2) Assuming the Form 1 is for making your own can? I wasn’t really after a wish can, but I have seen some cool stuff you guys have done with machining that I’m sure is better quality.

3) *Lowers dunce cap onto head* *CHP* I’m used to seeing them used synonymously and I should know better.

4) That is a good point. Does the RP ability mean they can use the firearm but not have to sign off if I do more NFA items? I remember talking over a trust with friends and AFAIK we all had to sign off/send prints in if one person wanted to purchase something.

5) Currently have an Odin adjustable block, maybe that can help dial it down a little if I switch barrels. (If .300 BLK barrels even use the same size block) :confused:

6) Schweet.
 
CarolinaColtCollector said:
2) Assuming the Form 1 is for making your own can? I wasn’t really after a wish can, but I have seen some cool stuff you guys have done with machining that I’m sure is better quality.

3) *Lowers dunce cap onto head* *CHP* I’m used to seeing them used synonymously and I should know better.

4) That is a good point. Does the RP ability mean they can use the firearm but not have to sign off if I do more NFA items? I remember talking over a trust with friends and AFAIK we all had to sign off/send prints in if one person wanted to purchase something.
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2. Yes...Form 1 to make an NFA item (from scratch, or by modifying an existing serialized firearm), Form 4 to transfer an existing NFA item.

3. CHP, CCW, CCP, etc...all get used. I point out what I did because NC issues CHPs, which only covers handguns. :p

4. RP = Responsible Person. It’s a term the ATF created when 41F went into effect 7/13/16. It allows others to be in possession of the firearms. Anybody that’s an RP at the time of submission has to submit fingerprints and photographs.
 
If you are keeping your pistol a pistol and not SBRing it then it should still be covered by your CHP.

Putting a can on a pistol does not make the pistol an NFA item. The can is the NFA item and is not a firearm, which is why you don't need a form to cross state lines.


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Derek8404 said:
wait...do you need to file forms to travel over state lines with cans? I was under the impression that you didn’t.
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No, you don’t. But it’s not because they’re not firearms. You also don’t have to file for AOWs, either.

NFA ‘34 defines them as Firearms
GCA ‘68 defines them as Firearms

Every form you need to manufacture, make and/or transfer one (Forms 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 4473) all call them Firearms.


I’m not going to say I agree with it, but by definition these chunks of metal are serialized Firearms.
 
Derek8404 said:
wait...do you need to file forms to travel over state lines with cans? I was under the impression that you didn’t.
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That's what I said, you don't need a form to cross state lines.

Why silencers were left out of the law which requires forms for interstate travel, I had always understood was because they were not Firearms.

Either way, the point stands. You do not need a form to cross state lines with a can or pistol. And your CHP still applies to an AR style pistol as long as you don't register it as an SBR.


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I went back and reread the original question and my answer. I know what I meant, but can see how it wouldn’t be clear to others. It was a 2-part question and I only answered the 2nd part :oops:

The CHP has nothing to do with crossing state lines or NFA items. Completely different situations.

An AR pistol can freely cross state lines. And would (or should) be covered under NC CHP laws while in NC.

What is questionable is whether or not a suppressed AR pistol is still covered by a CHP. The silencer is also a firearm, not a Handgun. I’ve never seen it officially asked/answered, and it’s never prevented me from carrying a suppressed AR pistol. But I don’t know how that would be handled during an interaction with LEO or if it made it to court.


And would my CHP cover my Maxim 9? It has two serial numbers, both considered to be firearms. (Listed twice on the 4473). Dunno.
 
I haven’t looking in the Form1 yet, but is there a $200 fee associated with that as well or is that just with the paper process...
 
Heatstroke18 said:
I haven’t looking in the Form1 yet, but is there a $200 fee associated with that as well or is that just with the paper process...
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Every Form 1 or Form 4 will cost you $200, with the one exception of a Form 4 used to transfer an AOW. It gets a $5 red stamp instead of a $200 green stamp.
 
Ive built several 300 BO pistols and SBR's over the years and they all functioned and fired just fine with subsonic ammo even at 7" and 8" barrel length. Never really noticed much of an issue with gas in the face when using a suppressor. Thats really more of a .223 issue with high pressure rounds.
 
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wired said:
Ive built several 300 BO pistols and SBR's over the years and they all functioned and fired just fine with subsonic ammo even at 7" and 8" barrel length. Never really noticed much of an issue with gas in the face when using a suppressor. Thats really more of a .223 issue with high pressure rounds.
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I second this .... exactly so.
 
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