Wizard drill results pics ( Where’s yours?)

Just got back from PHA, and it was a good day. I only ran the wizard today, and although I failed the first try (had a clean run, but a 2.55 on time), I then cleared it in time 4 out of nine tries. I'm gonna keep on practicing it until I get it.

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Wanted to say thanks to Billy for the shirt. I wore it today and after getting home from town I got the old lady to film me shooting the wizard. Here’s a picture she sent me afterward, it’s as right as the 2nd round hit the target on the last stage.

Gott’em

edited to add: for some reason this picture isn’t as clear as it is on my phone. In the original you could see a little muzzle flash and the target clearly.
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G17 from concealment and OWB holster
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Tried something different this afternoon also. Old Bianchi Ranger fanny pack (1991), condition 3 (chamber empty). Pistol is also upside down in fanny pack, using reverse cavalry draw (slide down)



This time with a round in the chamber from fanny pack



CD
 
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G17 from concealment and OWB holster
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Tried something different this afternoon also. Old Bianchi Ranger fanny pack (1991), condition 3 (chamber empty). Pistol is also upside down in fanny pack, using reverse cavalry draw (slide down)



This time with a round in the chamber from fanny pack



CD

Extremely efficient movement.
 
Looking good man. Nice and smooth when you clear your shirt. It never fails, when I try to use one hand to clear my shirt I always have it (shirt) catch on the butt of the gun.
I may be the last one that needs to be giving advice, and this is the first time I’ve wandered into this thread...

But, I took some 1:1 training with Apex ~6 months ago and this came up. The discussion centered around not try to be fancy with some little hook of the thumb or other motion. Grab a handful of the shirt like you mean it, and get all that material out of the way. It’s basically the same motion, but worry about function over form.

That might help, might not, but figured I’d pass it along.
 
All shots should be in a 4” circle
Shots 4 and 5 in a 8” circle
Forgive me if this has been covered, but I read the first page and didn’t see it.

My only experience with the Wizard was with Billy before he got his current setup. It was more of a rectangular silhouette. Found this pic of my son attempting it.

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It just seems that was bigger than 4” and 8”? And definitely the rectangles give more area. There’s an article in this month’s Shooting Illustrated discussing it, and all it says is “a single silhouette or Option target”.

Is 4” circle for the head and 8” circle for the body what everyone is using? Or are rectangular and/or oval targets also being used?
 
Forgive me if this has been covered, but I read the first page and didn’t see it.

My only experience with the Wizard was with Billy before he got his current setup. It was more of a rectangular silhouette. Found this pic of my son attempting it.

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It just seems that was bigger than 4” and 8”? And definitely the rectangles give more area. There’s an article in this month’s Shooting Illustrated discussing it, and all it says is “a single silhouette or Option target”.

Is 4” circle for the head and 8” circle for the body what everyone is using? Or are rectangular and/or oval targets also being used?


 
Billys Wizard target is about 15-20% harder than Ken's... His first 3 plates are 6" diameter. He also has regulation legal USPSA AND IDPA "A "zones.....

Ken requires one out of two of the last string to be in the "A" zone in 2.5 sec or less.. Billy requires BOTH of the shots of the last string to be in the "A" zone in 2.5 sec or less..
 
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Billys Wizard target is about 15-20% harder than Ken's... His first 3 plates are 6" diameter. He also has regulation legal USPSA AND IDPA "A "zones.....

Ken requires one out of two of the last string to be in the "A" zone in 2.5 sec or less.. Billy requires BOTH of the shots of the last string to be in the "A" zone in 2.5 sec or less..
Maybe I didn’t ask my question right, or I don’t fully understand your answer. I do understand the drill itself and have walked people through it using whatever targets we had around.

the post I quoted said 4” circle, and your answer said his is harder with 6” diameter for the first three...

I’m just trying to figure out exactly what I need to set up to start attempting it on my own. When I do a search for USPSA targets, I’m seeing rectangular target areas on some.

Just looking for the “wizard for dummies” explanation clarifying what’s acceptable. :D
 
I agree 100% with just getting the shirt out of the way. That’s why I use both hands. I try the one handed draw just for practice but it’s just never 100% for me like the 2 handed.


I think the targets are 4 and 8 inch circles. I’m using a 3 inch square just because that’s what I have here at the house though.
 
Maybe I didn’t ask my question right, or I don’t fully understand your answer. I do understand the drill itself and have walked people through it using whatever targets we had around.

the post I quoted said 4” circle, and your answer said his is harder with 6” diameter for the first three...

I’m just trying to figure out exactly what I need to set up to start attempting it on my own. When I do a search for USPSA targets, I’m seeing rectangular target areas on some.

Just looking for the “wizard for dummies” explanation clarifying what’s acceptable. :D


I have a new roll of paster tape and it measures almost 6" in diameter. Ken uses a roll of paster tape in his video that is somewhere in the 5-6" dia range. Not sure where the 4" number is coming from.... (???)

Billys Wizard uses three 6"dia AR550 plates for the first 3 shots.

Billy's is harder because he requires BOTH hits at 10 yards to be "A" zone hits -vs- Ken allowing the dropping one of the 10 yard shots out of the "A" zone.

ALL in 2.5 secs per string. The time is a BIG deal on this one. If you di*k around wasting 2 or more seconds on draw and presentation before engagement, you ain't gonna make it.


Check out some USPSA and IDPA scoring as well.
 
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I got the wizard this morning. Used a Ruger lc9s. Must be some leftover Magic from Father's Day.View attachment 224227
Left out a few details on my wizard kill last week. Got him cold, first shots of the day. Used Ruger LC9S in a Remora pocket holster , right front. I usually shoot alone so no film. Circles are homemade and this time the proper diameter. # 1 shot not a great hit but about halfway on paper. All times are sub 2.5 seconds. I hope this is an official kil20200623_110426.jpg 20200623_110526.jpg l.
 
G17 from concealment and OWB holster
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Tried something different this afternoon also. Old Bianchi Ranger fanny pack (1991), condition 3 (chamber empty). Pistol is also upside down in fanny pack, using reverse cavalry draw (slide down)



This time with a round in the chamber from fanny pack



CD

Damn fine shootin!!!
 
Left out a few details on my wizard kill last week. Got him cold, first shots of the day. Used Ruger LC9S in a Remora pocket holster , right front. I usually shoot alone so no film. Circles are homemade and this time the proper diameter. # 1 shot not a great hit but about halfway on paper. All times are sub 2.5 seconds. I hope this is an official kilView attachment 225857 View attachment 225858 l.
@Bahamadon , my view is that CFFrs are Not capable of a lie. Especially something this important. Your shirt awaits you on your next visit. Your name will be added and you are #9 out of 2,300+ attempts. Congratulations from @RS and me!!!
 
@Bahamadon , my view is that CFFrs are Not capable of a lie. Especially something this important. Your shirt awaits you on your next visit. Your name will be added and you are #9 out of 2,300+ attempts. Congratulations from @RS and me!!!
Thank you very much @BatteryOaksBilly and @RS. I've been chasing that guy for a while and enjoyed every minute of it, maybe even learned a thing or two. Please stick a XXL shirt in a hidey hole and I'll be down to get it as soon as I can. Proud to be #9.
 
Ran the Wizard Drill today with my Model 60. String times were 1.73, 1.83, 1.92, and 2.11. It's a 3" model, shot from appendix under a t-shirt and a button-down. Not pushing the times; just wanted confirmation that I could run the drill with a J Frame after shooting and dry-firing a 1911 exclusively for a week.

The range was out of IDPA targets, so I threw a 3x5 card and a B8 on an IALEFI target that I had already perforated with my Commander. I circled the .38 shots to avoid confusion with the 9mm holes. High shot at 7 yards almost missed the card.

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Ran the Wizard Drill today with my Model 60. String times were 1.73, 1.83, 1.92, and 2.11. It's a 3" model, shot from appendix under a t-shirt and a button-down. Not pushing the times; just wanted confirmation that I could run the drill with a J Frame after shooting and dry-firing a 1911 exclusively for a week.

The range was out of IDPA targets, so I threw a 3x5 card and a B8 on an IALEFI target that I had already perforated with my Commander. I circled the .38 shots to avoid confusion with the 9mm holes. High shot at 7 yards almost missed the card.

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Was this your First exercise of the outing. Meaning absolutely Cold?
 
Damn!!!! When it's done right it look so Easy. Did mine this morning with the G26....Done! @Combat Diver great work!!


@JRV fine shooting...I have Not been able to do it yet with a double action revolver. That is my new goal.
I've got an I frame Regulation Police in .38 S&W that i want to try.
 
Was this your First exercise of the outing. Meaning absolutely Cold?

No, I shot my Commander beforehand, hence the chewed up target. It was the first cylinder out of the 60 after I took my strongside 1911 gear off and went back to my appendix rig.

Going a week without dry-firing the revolver absolutely showed, too. First shot on the 10 yard string was faster than the 3x5 at 3 yards. I realized after the 5 yard stage that I wasn’t prepping the trigger going into full extension (thanks, 1911s...), which is really important for making the par at 10 with a DA gun of any kind.
 
No, I shot my Commander beforehand, hence the chewed up target. It was the first cylinder out of the 60 after I took my strongside 1911 gear off and went back to my appendix rig.

Going a week without dry-firing the revolver absolutely showed, too. First shot on the 10 yard string was faster than the 3x5 at 3 yards. I realized after the 5 yard stage that I wasn’t prepping the trigger going into full extension (thanks, 1911s...), which is really important for making the par at 10 with a DA gun of any kind.
I predict you will be there in short order. I feel an accomplished feeling when I do it right. The first 3 stages are usually a Gimme..the 10 yarder is where the proof meets the pudding.
 
I predict you will be there in short order. I feel an accomplished feeling when I do it right. The first 3 stages are usually a Gimme..the 10 yarder is where the proof meets the pudding.

It depends a lot on the gun for me, as well as the gun or guns that I have been dry-firing most recently. I tend to spend a .20-.25 longer on the 7 yard headshot draw than the draw on the 10 yard stage. A 4” circle and a 3X5 card are 12.57 and 15 square inches of target zone at 7 yards. The 10 yarder is an easier shot from the draw. Your target is about 42% further than the 7 yarder, but the target area of an 8” circle is 50.27 square inches.

That’s about 300% bigger of a target less than half the distance away. Even with a short sight radius, you are guaranteed a full value hit so long as you have front sight anywhere in the rear notch somewhat centered in the circle.

A controlled 1.8 second draw and a .5 second split gets you in at the 10 yarder with two clean sight pictures and time to spare.
 
It depends a lot on the gun for me, as well as the gun or guns that I have been dry-firing most recently. I tend to spend a .20-.25 longer on the 7 yard headshot draw than the draw on the 10 yard stage. A 4” circle and a 3X5 card are 12.57 and 15 square inches of target zone at 7 yards. The 10 yarder is an easier shot from the draw. Your target is about 42% further than the 7 yarder, but the target area of an 8” circle is 50.27 square inches.

That’s about 300% bigger of a target less than half the distance away. Even with a short sight radius, you are guaranteed a full value hit so long as you have front sight anywhere in the rear notch somewhat centered in the circle.

A controlled 1.8 second draw and a .5 second split gets you in at the 10 yarder with two clean sight pictures and time to spare.
Welllll, sounds like you got the math figured out...now to the shooting.
 
Welllll, sounds like you got the math figured out...now to the shooting.

Yes, the math is only relevant if (a) the trigger goes to the rear without the sights going somewhere they shouldn’t and (b) the shooter gets the gun up in front of their eyes quickly and consistently!
 
Yes, the math is only relevant if (a) the trigger goes to the rear without the sights going somewhere they shouldn’t and (b) the shooter gets the gun up in front of their eyes quickly and consistently!
HOLY COW ! ! Never even considered all that stuff. I've just been draw , press , bang . I guess the devil IS in the details.
 
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Somebody told me the NRA Rifleman had a write up about the Wizard Drill...Anybody see that? I no longer receive this magazine...It will return here when Wayne disappears there.
 
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