It just keeps getting stupider and stupider.

Masks have never been proven to reduce transmission of upper respiratory infection in non-healthcare settings.
There have been dozens of real studies (randomized trials, controls, etc... real science) none that I have been able to find have shown a statistical difference between wearing and not wearing of masks.
The mask Karen's point to "studies" that may have shown that one area that used them had less covid than one that didn't, or will say masks, in conjunction with... can or may reduce transmission, far from science.
https://evidenceaid.org/resource/no...on-healthcare-settings-effects-are-uncertain/
 
Wait, is it Karen or Caren, I really thought the later, and it feelz gooder to me.
 
Trump will win 4 more years because Joe's running mate will scare the silent majority too badly to allow it!

We'll survive 2024 with guns too!
 
Masks have never been proven to reduce transmission of upper respiratory infection in non-healthcare settings.
There have been dozens of real studies (randomized trials, controls, etc... real science) none that I have been able to find have shown a statistical difference between wearing and not wearing of masks.
The mask Karen's point to "studies" that may have shown that one area that used them had less covid than one that didn't, or will say masks, in conjunction with... can or may reduce transmission, far from science.
https://evidenceaid.org/resource/no...on-healthcare-settings-effects-are-uncertain/

I have to wear the masks because my clients require them. My clients are some of the most learned people in the world. Even though I'm not a medical professional, I differ to my clients knowledge on the subject because they are the pros.

I dont like the masks but I do admit that they can reduce the amount of droplets and aerosolized particles that leave your mouth and enter the air, especially when you speak.

The masks that I have been given are not N95, they are the surgical masks. I can feel the air venting out the sides when I breath or speak. So you know that there is some splash happening and that not everything is being contained by the mask. Same for inhaling, not all the air is filtered.

I guess the powers that be consider that something is better than nothing.
 
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I don't know who is writing the script, but I really have no idea what is going to happen next in the series we are currently starring in. It is crazier than the GoT. One thing we can be sure of is people are not happy, not happy people rarely reelect the incumbent. The die hards will vote left or right, but the almighty "swing" voters are a fickle lot. Throw in the voting machine skullduggery and you have the makings of a fine mess.
Only a moron would vote for Joe, not left, not right, not the no conviction voters just plain morons.
 
Dear Lord... "something bad happens" he says.... are you talking about a super volcano or aliens landing because it is pretty bad now. I think it will have to greatly improve in the next 4 months or he has no chance of getting elected again. The saving grace may be that Dem's can't seem to go to the polls for Uncle Creepy.
The American people can not be that ignorant.
 
I have to wear the masks because my clients require them. My clients are some of the most learned people in the world. Even though I'm not a medical professional, I differ to my clients knowledge on the subject because they are the pros.

I dont like the masks but I do admit that they can reduce the amount of droplets and aerosolized particles that leave your mouth and enter the air, especially when you speak.

The masks that I have been given are not N95, they are the surgical masks. I can feel the air venting out the sides when I breath or speak. So you know that there is some splash happening and that not everything is being contained by the mask. Same for inhaling, not all the air is filtered.

I guess the powers that be consider that something is better than nothing.
I agree, they should work, seems logical. But you cannot prove it. Many learned people have tried. I am really tired of people deferring to opinions and feelings. Facts matter and the facts are no legitimate scientific study (OK, none that I can find, and I have read about a dozen) have found a statistical difference.
 
I agree, they should work, seems logical. But you cannot prove it. Many learned people have tried. I am really tired of people deferring to opinions and feelings. Facts matter and the facts are no legitimate scientific study (OK, none that I can find, and I have read about a dozen) have found a statistical difference.

Dont get me wrong, I agree with you.

It pisses me off that the same people that tell me that if I dont wear a mask I am not protecting other people are the same ones that tell me I dont need to carry a gun to protect myself.
 
I have to wear the masks because my clients require them. My clients are some of the most learned people in the world. Even though I'm not a medical professional, I differ to my clients knowledge on the subject because they are the pros.

I dont like the masks but I do admit that they can reduce the amount of droplets and aerosolized particles that leave your mouth and enter the air, especially when you speak.

The masks that I have been given are not N95, they are the surgical masks. I can feel the air venting out the sides when I breath or speak. So you know that there is some splash happening and that not everything is being contained by the mask. Same for inhaling, not all the air is filtered.

I guess the powers that be consider that something is better than nothing.


They are complicit in this disaster. If they are so learned then they should let the world know that Covid-19 is not a virus but a disease and most of these positive cases are from exposure to SAR-COV-2 or another of the corona type viruses. They should be telling people that absent symptoms, you do NOT have covid-19. All of these "a symptomatic covid-19 carriers" are simply walking around with a flu virus or were. If you have a flu virus but you don't get sick, did you have the flu?
 
I'll clarify my position with maliciousness not being my intent here. Tone in text is something people frequently make up themselves based on their own bias of the post, as well as use of punctuation and word choice of course. Sounds like you didn't like the post content and just assumed it was malicious and therefore rude. I see that a lot online and I promise it's not me trying to insult you here. It's genuinely hard to convey intended tone without vocal inflections and facial cues. This probably would've gone better/cleaner in person.



I made a post/claim and defended it while trying to keep the debate on topic. That's a key element to using formal logic in a debate, which I assumed was relevant here. It almost immediately broke down into insults and kept getting derailed by people not answering my (what I thought was specific but maybe wasn't) question that I also tried (unsuccessfully) to share context for. I guess I expected more formality in debate considering how much I see talk of "reason and logic" in other parts of the forum.

I apologize for putting words in your mouth which is why I asked you for clarification of what you meant, since it's not my place to assume.

Dude, relax. Deep breath & chill.

Couple of things. Pointing out reading comprehension errors is not an insult. You not knowing something is not my fault, but your not at least googling it prior to the "yeah but" routine is, however, your fault. Grow thicker skin, they're just words FFS.

I'm not interested in the finer nuances of debate & logic. I'm not trying to argue with anybody, 'cos I do not care what you think & not gonna waste the time trying to change your mind. I state my observations or opinion & move out smartly. Like it or don't, I do not give AF either way.

You really come across as the wheedling, yeah-but kinda guy, that after a meeting runs late, raises their hand when the boss asks if there are any other questions. If that's just how you are, cool. Whatever. Just recognise that it's gonna rub some folks the wrong way.

Remember, they're just words & harsh or critical words do not an insult make.

Breathe deeply. Chill. Work on that thicker skin thing.
 
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I agree, they should work, seems logical. But you cannot prove it. Many learned people have tried. I am really tired of people deferring to opinions and feelings. Facts matter and the facts are no legitimate scientific study (OK, none that I can find, and I have read about a dozen) have found a statistical difference.

Yea, i am tired of options and feelings represented as facts as well. here are some facts you can digest. Your post is really funny.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/4...s-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent
 
Yea, i am tired of options and feelings represented as facts as well.

Medical literature on the effectiveness of mask use § Masks Don't Work: A review of science relevant to COVID-19 social policy https://www.researchgate.net/public...of_science_relevant_to_COVID-19_social_policy Summary / Abstract “Masks and respirators do not work. There have been extensive randomized controlled trial (RCT) studies, and meta-analysis reviews of RCT studies, which all show that masks and respirators do not work to prevent respiratory influenza-like illnesses, or respiratory illnesses believed to be transmitted by droplets and aerosol particles. Furthermore, the relevant known physics and biology, which I review, are such that masks and respirators should not work. It would be a paradox if masks and respirators worked, given what we know about viral respiratory diseases: The main transmission path is long-residence-time aerosol particles (< 2.5 μm), which are too fine to be blocked, and the minimum-infective-dose is smaller than one aerosol particle. The present paper about masks illustrates the degree to which governments, the mainstream media, and institutional propagandists can decide to operate in a science vacuum, or select only incomplete science that serves their interests. Such recklessness is also certainly the case with the current global lockdown of over 1 billion people, an unprecedented experiment in medical and political history.” § Use of Surgical Face Masks to Reduce the Incidence of the Common Cold Among Health Care Workers in Japan: A Randomized Controlled Trial https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19216002/ § Face masks to prevent transmission of influenza virus: a systematic review https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...matic-review/64D368496EBDE0AFCC6639CCC9D8BC05 § The use of masks and respirators to prevent transition of influenza: a systemic review of scientific evidence https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/j.1750-2659.2011.00307.x § Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks in protecting health care workers from acute respiratory infection: a systematic review and meta-analysis https://www.cmaj.ca/content/188/8/567 § Effectiveness of Masks and Respirators Against Respiratory Infections in Healthcare Workers: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/65/11/1934/4068747 § N95 Respirators vs Medical Masks for Preventing Influenza Among Health Care Personnel A Randomized Clinical Trial https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214 § The effectiveness of N95 respirators virus surgical masks against influenza: A systemic review and meta-analysis https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/jebm.12381
 
I just got my medical clearance renewed so I can wear a PAPR :p
 
Research gate is not a scientific journal. It allows blog posts...

I like how you ignore the fact that studies show they do work and post some off the wall clip that says they do not. No scientist would say putting a mask on would not reduce droplets. Your in fairy land. Read the article i linked it it recent and refutes all your lunacy.
 
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Research gate is not a scientific journal. It allows blog posts...

I like how you ignore the fact that studies show they do work and post some off the wall clip that says they do not. No scientist would say putting a mask on would not reduce droplets. Your in fairy land. Read the article i linked it it recent and refutes are all your lunacy.


I don;t think anyone said it doesn't reduce droplets did they? So cough on a sleeve. The virus isn't airborne. When I say virus I mean SARS-VOC-2 since diseases like Covid-19 are not physical things.
 
Here is some more:

https://www.foxnews.com/health/wearing-mask-cuts-own-risk-novel-coronavirus-65-percent-experts-say

Here is a quote:

The pair highlighted two primary methods of transmission. The first being visible droplets a carrier expels, which are roughly one-third the size of a human hair. They said masks create an effective barrier against those types of droplets.

“Everyone should wear a mask,” Blumberg said. “People who say, ‘I don’t believe masks work,’ are ignoring scientific evidence. It’s not a belief system. It’s like saying, ‘I don’t believe in gravity.’"
 
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