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If you don't know Curtis Stone, you should get to know him. He is a Canadian who started out urban farming, putting small plots on front yards and vacant lots, and built it into a valuable business supplying mostly microgreens to restaurants.

He has morphed into a full blown survivalist and is a very very thoughtful person. He listens to all the people I listen to (Casey, Berwick, Celente, etc), but has a multilayered approach to "survival," which is reasonable and rational (he is actually a believer in global COOLING, and has good scientific basis for doing so).

I love listening to him, as he has his fingers in rural living, community, etc etc etc. He is definitely worth listening to.

 
Sorry... I listened for almost 8 minutes, and heard nothing new or original.

Yes, skills will be more valuable than gold. We know that.

SOME of us do. I am astounded by this forum, which should be one of the better educated better informed clique of pro-prepper groups, who seem to be one dimensional here. To me, stockpiling weapons and ammo is as silly as thinking that gold is the only precaution one would need to take.

I am trying hard not to be in "prep panic" here, but there is so much to be done. You would think I would be happy, with my silver miner stocks up over 250%, but I frankly wish things would slow down a bit.

I don't guess I would ever be "ready" though, and even if I were, I would probably die from a fall, or a wreck or some crazy unrelated event just as things came unwound. You cast a lot into the lap but the big decisions about how things unfold are not dependent on my plans nor do they even consider them! lol (Prov 16.33)

Anyway, I wish I knew more about: Preserving meat, Preserving any food, slaughtering beef/pork, trapping animals, generating my own electricity, diesel repair, tractors, animal husbandry, mushroom growing, welding, electrical and electronics repair, ham radio, outdoor survival, seed collection and storage, heat exchangers, auto mechanics, tailoring, cobbling, basic first aid, salves and ointments found in nature, and about 8 million other items that escape my focus right now.
 
Anyway, I wish I knew more about: Preserving meat, Preserving any food, slaughtering beef/pork, trapping animals, generating my own electricity, diesel repair, tractors...
www.PrepperCamp.com

I'll be teaching about knots, rabbits and geothermal.
 
...Preserving meat, Preserving any food, slaughtering beef/pork, trapping animals, generating my own electricity, diesel repair, tractors, animal husbandry, mushroom growing, welding, electrical and electronics repair, ham radio, outdoor survival, seed collection and storage, heat exchangers, auto mechanics, tailoring, cobbling, basic first aid, salves and ointments found in nature, and about 8 million other items that escape my focus right now.

Sounds like a good title for a Book.
 
Anyway, I wish I knew more about: Preserving meat, Preserving any food, slaughtering beef/pork, trapping animals, generating my own electricity, diesel repair, tractors, animal husbandry, mushroom growing, welding, electrical and electronics repair, ham radio, outdoor survival, seed collection and storage, heat exchangers, auto mechanics, tailoring, cobbling, basic first aid, salves and ointments found in nature, and about 8 million other items that escape my focus right now.
That’s why you cant go it alone. That is part of why communities form.
 
...Yes, skills will be more valuable than gold. We know that.

That’s why you cant go it alone. That is part of why communities form.


Yes. In the event of a "total collapse", I think collectives will spontaneously form. Knowing "everything" to survive alone seems handy, but I think will be unlikely a necessity. Social skills and bringing something unique and valuable to the collective might be key. Firearms expertise could likely be a personal imperative and basic gunsmithing skills might be a unique and valuable thing to the group. OTOH, owning and having the ability to operate and maintain the biggest front-end loader or backhoe in the collective might be the "thing" you bring to the survival effort that's just as valuable, for example. Being in decent mental and physical health will be helpful too, so y'all take care of yo-seffesses. :)
 
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SOME of us do. I am astounded by this forum, which should be one of the better educated better informed clique of pro-prepper groups, who seem to be one dimensional here.

Just a quick point...this is a Firearms forum...of course its going to seem one dimensional. This isnt BushCraft USA. I would like to see where you get the impression that anyone here has been "gunz is all dat matters" when it comes to preparation in such volumes as to "astound" you.
 
Just a quick point...this is a Firearms forum...of course its going to seem one dimensional. This isnt BushCraft USA. I would like to see where you get the impression that anyone here has been "gunz is all dat matters" when it comes to preparation in such volumes as to "astound" you.
I guess I am astounded because little minds like mine are easily overwhelmed and I miss the big picture.
Be that as it may, I am increasingly nervous about the imminent future and the fragile state of complete unpreparedness for the majority of folk. I am completely overwhelmed myself and I think "what is going to happen to all the poor people whose plans are utterly dependent on things not going off the rails?" Frankly, I worry more about my own emotional stability as much as anything else if a Darfur type situation arose in the west. I am not a good person to be around real suffering. I suppose that is a legit self condemnation, as a selfless person FORGETS him/herself and just rolls up the sleeves and gets to work. I am more paralyzed, or at least think I would be. My wife, who is one of the most "feeling" types I have ever met (seriously, she is off the charts!) is amazing, as she just puts all that aside and pours out mercy in the most amazing fashion. I fear I will sit down and blubber and do nothing.

People who say "quit being delusionally paranoid, that can never happen here" only confirm my sense of unease.

I hope to God I am UTTERLY wrong, but there are clearly clouds on the horizon.
 
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This happened to a lot of folks pre-Y2K, then post 9/11. Groups formed, groups dissolved. Friendships formed, friendships died with a few exceptions. Folks learned what normalcy bias was, then they went right back to the I don't care mode. A lot of 'stuff' was bought and never unboxed, good values were to be had within 6 months after the dirt settled. Shrinks and IT people made a fortune. Rookie survivalists bemoaned the fact that nothing happened during Y2K, many of us were damn glad it didn't. You need to realize that no matter how smart, rich, strong or psychologically grounded you think you are you generally can do little to control destiny, but you can control how you handle what comes down the pike.

Knowledge is power..................o_O Reading and listening are your best avenues for gaining power. Then practice what you read and process what you hear. Learn to sift the useful information from the general BS. Most survivalist books are filled with drama, but they generally have useful information in them. Sitting around listening to older folks and folks that have been through really bad times is the best time you can spend.

Chance favors the prepared mind..............:cool: If you are not prepared as well as you can be, based on your personal situation, you will not be able to take advantage of good stuff that comes your way, or will not be able to avoid the bad stuff.

It is easy to get overwhelmed.................:eek: Many of us in the 80's and 90's finally learned it ain't the stuff you have its how and if you can use it. I had a 1 year hiatus myself. Don't let worry and fretting control you. Take a break from it.

Gidgits and gadgets..........:rolleyes: They aren't worth a hoot if you wait and pull them out of the box when the alligators are snapping at your ass. Its better to have less and know every use for it then to have more and have it collect dust. I mean honestly how many ways do you need to start a frickin fire unless you are living in the woods? I know people that that have trunks full of fire starting stuff and they live in a house without a fire place.:confused:

Do you actually think you will live in a grid-down, bio-warfare or true global pandemic that actually kills people rather than make them sick? I have read that there may be as much as a 75% die-off rate in the first year. What will be left is people that have prepared and found people with like minds to form bonds with. and people that want to kill you and or take your stuff. If you think you can do it alone you are already dead. All it would take is a group of mutant zombie gangs and you are dead. You have to sleep sometime. Overwhelming force will win.

With all that said you can only do what you can do. Do the best you can with what you have. It doesn't cost to read, study and listen. I keep coming back to several books that I have recommended for many years. There are hundreds other than these. Buy the damn books, it will be useless to have a thumb drive when there ain't no power.

One Second After
Lights Out by David Crawford (probably the best overall)
Lights Out by Ted Koppel
The A. American series
LDS Preparedness Manual
The Fox Fire series
Patriots the Coming Collapse (not the best IMHO)
Grid Down series by Buckshot Hemming (Many of you older folks that have been in this a while will remember Buckshot. Bought my first set of traps from him in 1999.)
Country Wisdom and Know How
Back to Basics Handbook
When There is No Doctor
When There is No Dentist (I personally hate this thought)
and finally The Prepper's Blueprint by Tess Pennington (an outstanding piece of work)

That's it folks, take it for what it's worth. You can either be in the 75% :( or do the best you can to be in the 25%:p.
 
I tend to be conservative on numbers, safe to say it will be a lot.
 
the ONE good thing (that i can think of right now) which came out of the virus,
is it finally got my wife to understand and agree to prepping like we mean it.
she's gone a little "nuts" with it so far, but i'm letting it play out.
example: we have +40 lbs. of salt.
 
www.PrepperCamp.com

I'll be teaching about knots, rabbits and geothermal.
Prepper Camp! Haven't been since the first one. I usually go to network. Maybe I should run up this year.

The best way to tackle a giant job us to just start somewhere and nibble away. Reeldoc had some great book recommendations. I generally recommend the LDS manual first, because it's free to download (at least it used to be) and you can get an idea of scope and methodology. You'll eventually get a hard copy. Just chip away at it. But, the single most significant thing you can do, that changes everything, is move to the country. Instead of things you have to prepare for, it becomes more of a way of life.
I used to sweat what it would take to bug out of the city and get to wherever it was I was going with what I needed. Then I had to think about the rest of the family and loved ones, mother, adult kids, in-laws, etc. Then it occurred to me that the answer was to already be be bugged out. To be the place the others came to. I find a major flaw in preparedness thinking is thinking too small. Instead of just preparing for yourself, prepare also for others. Think of being able to scale up for those you will take in or can assist. This might be family. It might friends you know. It might be a stranger. It will change you way of thinking.
I once attended a prepcon in SC at a church that was surprisingly prepping focused. When I asked them about it, they said that was their ministry, to provide for those that didn't or couldn't prepare when bad times came.
 
my 2 cents is lack of refrigeration, physical training/condition, and footwear will be 3 major areas to consider-strangely, i always come back to the footwear item
 
Prepper Camp! Haven't been since the first one. I usually go to network. Maybe I should run up this year.

The best way to tackle a giant job us to just start somewhere and nibble away. Reeldoc had some great book recommendations. I generally recommend the LDS manual first, because it's free to download (at least it used to be) and you can get an idea of scope and methodology. You'll eventually get a hard copy. Just chip away at it. But, the single most significant thing you can do, that changes everything, is move to the country. Instead of things you have to prepare for, it becomes more of a way of life.
I used to sweat what it would take to bug out of the city and get to wherever it was I was going with what I needed. Then I had to think about the rest of the family and loved ones, mother, adult kids, in-laws, etc. Then it occurred to me that the answer was to already be be bugged out. To be the place the others came to. I find a major flaw in preparedness thinking is thinking too small. Instead of just preparing for yourself, prepare also for others. Think of being able to scale up for those you will take in or can assist. This might be family. It might friends you know. It might be a stranger. It will change you way of thinking.
I once attended a prepcon in SC at a church that was surprisingly prepping focused. When I asked them about it, they said that was their ministry, to provide for those that didn't or couldn't prepare when bad times came.
totally agrees to prep for multiples-never know who will pop up and need assistance-when you turn folks away, more likely they will be back to force help-is LDS manual the Morman manual?
 
totally agrees to prep for multiples-never know who will pop up and need assistance-when you turn folks away, more likely they will be back to force help-is LDS manual the Morman manual?
Yes. It's worth getting the hard copy.
 
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