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If you have ever read any of my wild ululating rants, you know I am a huge silver bug. It is the PERFECT speculative play. Manipulated like crazy, historical (over 6,000 years) of having a monetary basis, crazy industrial applications, drying up in mining sources, insanely out of sync with its monetary big brother (gold), and having a history of skyrocketing eyepopping runs that way eclipse gold when gold surges.

But I don't trust it. I am like the guy who married a super hot, amazingly beautiful talented woman and then finds out she has been sleeping around (happened to a friend of mine.... after 30 years of marriage!). You can't trust it. It oughta go up, and you see it screaming skyward (like right now) and you think "NOW is the time to borrow everything I have access to and throw it all onto COMEX futures, and I will retire a gazillionaire"..... but you don't. And you don't because silver is an unfaithful slut. Just when you think the stars have all aligned and the big boys have run out of manipulative gunpowder (they naked short the stuff with paper silver backed by NOTHING, so that if people called for delivery of what they have "sold" them, there are around 30x more silver "sold" than actually exists), the ratios have gotten totally out of hand (the ratio of gold to silver in the "real world" is about 15:1, at which ratio, the price for silver "SHOULD" be about $125 dollars per ounce. Instead, after an amazing run in the past few days, it has gone from 125:1 to 83:1 and is about 22 dollars an ounce.

22 bucks is an AMAZING run. Less than six months ago, we were down around 13 or 14 dollars an ounce. Almost a 100% gain. Confidence in the dollar is collapsing and the Chinese are attempting to engineer the Yuan as an alt currency and EVERY COUNTRY AROUND THE WORLD DESPISES THE STUPID ARROGANCE of the US central bankers and wall street in abusing our privlileges as the world's reserve currency. We are tottering on a mountain of overinflated debt, ruining the very reason the world took the dollar as that currency, stupidly assuming we can continue to coast along while cutting the ground from under our feet, and the world economy is actively harmed... and we are fat dumb and happy, thinking things will go on like this forever....because " 'Murica."

All this and much more point to an impending collapse of the USD, and silver is the PERFECT hedge here, because when gold runs, silver goes into hyperdrive.......... All this I understand. I do. But I am cautious. Because it has been like this for about 40 years (I first started learning about this in the 70s, though I did nothing about it). Silver has tantalized, beckoned, and "come hither"ed so many times and I have thought "THIS IS IT!" ..... and then watched it collapse faster than it went up! lol.

So is the current crazy mess finally "it?" Is silver finally going to $100 or even spectacularly higher, if gold continues to run and goes to 4 or 5 thousand dollars an ounce? One day, it will, of that I’m sure. Maybe that is where it’s going on this move. Silver to $100 will just be another episode in the insane year that is 2020.

But when you play silver, just remember this: it is utterly unreliable. It lies. It ALWAYS lies. It is like your buddy the alcoholic. He has unbelievable potential.... smart, charming, witty, good looking and you think, "this guy/gal should have it all....." if s/he could only kick.... and s/he is sober and clean! They’re off the booze, they tell you; they’ve got their life back on track – they’ve got a fantastic new job, they’ve re-married. Then they show up at your important job function totally sh*t faced, insult your boss, pick a fight with someone, and the next thing you know they’re wandering round the grounds with a plastic bag shouting at trees gathering sticks and weeping about them, or some other incomprehesible and sad actvity.

Silver’s going up. It has further to run.... but today it is down a quarter. It is fickle. Enjoy the ride. When it goes parabolic, I feel like Michael Douglas describing the first big money he ever made, when he said "it is better than sex." Exactly. When this thing rockets there’s no feeling like it, and you think "this is never going to end... YIPPEE!!!!" But I am telling you, they can also stop and reverse on a dime.

I hold physical silver (a good bit by most standards) and I hold it as a hedge against the dollar. I won't sell it until we are seeing headlines of all the world's banks refusing to do business in dollar denominated swaps, because the dollar is in hyperinflation. However, I also have a lot of junior mining stocks that are making me happy right now. But this time, I ain't going to be skeert to take money off the table. She has stayed out late too many times for me to believe her anymore.

Happy trading.
 
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the ratio of gold to silver in the "real world" is about 15:1
Do you mean based on the estimated amount in the world or based on commercial demand or historical pricing or something else?


at which ratio, the price for silver "SHOULD" be about $125 dollars per ounce
Assuming that the ratio of one bubble to another bubble means anything, and I’m skeptical, could this mean instead that gold should be closer to $600/toz?
 
Do you mean based on the estimated amount in the world or based on commercial demand or historical pricing or something else?



Assuming that the ratio of one bubble to another bubble means anything, and I’m skeptical, could this mean instead that gold should be closer to $600/toz?
One could make that assumption, if silver were the lynchpin, and gold price "followed" silver. Historically, that is not the case.
 
Do you mean based on the estimated amount in the world or based on commercial demand or historical pricing or something else?

Good question. Based on the amount available in the world. Of course, we know that demand, not supply, is the driving force in price, but the assumption here is that demand is a function of a mistaken set of beliefs, and that when "demand" wakes up, then the supply will become more clear.
Assuming that the ratio of one bubble to another bubble means anything, and I’m skeptical, could this mean instead that gold should be closer to $600/toz?
This would make sense if you also ignore the bubble of US debt inflated dollars, which is the common assumption of most of the Cramer types.
It is always amusing to me to watch people just buried in their necks in the assumption that the US economy is rooted in a confidence in the US dollar which will just go on forever and is immune to everything we are doing to destroy the basis for that confidence. Those folks are totally oblivious to the fact that dollar reliance and the US debt are the biggest bubbles in the history of mankind.

It will be a sad awakening, for sure
 
One could make that assumption, if silver were the lynchpin, and gold price "followed" silver. Historically, that is not the case.
Agreed, but what if that’s changed because of the relative wealth of the people and changes in technology? It used to be that you had to be pretty damn wealthy to speculate in gold, but the common man could speculate in silver. Now that almost all the trades are virtual and people feel, perhaps unwisely, more secure in their financial future, are more folks speculating in gold and driving the price?

Serious question by the way, I hold both silver and gold, have for a long time, but I don’t actively manage the investment and have no real sense of why they are behaving as they have. I do know that I’m not buying silver above $22 any more than I’m buying Tesla above $1,600. Actually, I gotta go short Tesla, I’m not ready to short PMs because there is too much uncertainty in the market and it’s only going to drive up prices.

Kinda thinking out loud, with the uncertainty of an election and all the corona second wave talk we will see a pullback in the market later this year. If Biden wins we’ll see a huge drop as folks take gains in 2020 because of his ill-advised thoughts on taxing capital gains. All that uncertainty will likely drive PMs up. Heck maybe silver at $22, which seems high maybe just because I’m old and everything seems high, isn’t a bad but. Or maybe the smart people have already made that play and they are waiting for us dumb folks to follow so they can dump at the peak.
 
Gold is a terrible investment. Also, you lose a ton when you try to convert it to cash. The company you bought it from will want to buy it back at a price lower than the market of course but not as bad as someone you didn't buy the gold from. If you try to sell it to a dealer you didn't buy it from they will rape you. You can try and sell it privately but if things are really bad, no one will be able to afford it and gold is the last thing I really need when the going gets tough. I can only imagine that silver is worse. If you aren't buying physical silver and gold and instead a fund or some such, better. Bullets are a better hedge.
 
I just want to feel like a pirate by having gold and silver. It doesn’t take much to accomplish that.
 
Lest anyone lurking here not remember, precious metals are a hedge, not an investment. Not in my view anyway.

...and I’m just glad silver is worth what I paid for it sometime back. :)
 
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The guys I learned how to process gold scrap from dabble quite a bit in all precious metals. By dabble I mean they earn a fair chunk of change doing it, but it's more of a paying hobby for them, they all have day jobs. Every single one of them is anticipating silver to spike hard. I don't know why, it's just word on their street so to speak.
 
If it all goes south, the ones that can make the smoothest likker, grow the best weed, and have the most ammo and tobacco will have the run of things.
 
My motto is buy it high and sell it low.................
 
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I was just wondering, once the price of silver goes up, where would someone go to sell/sale/sail/cell their silver and get the most out if it?

Also, say it hits $50 an ounce. Would you expect to get $50 per ounce when cashing out?

I figure is anyone’s guess but any speculation on how high it might go?
 
@tanstaafl72555 or anyone else with answers

I was just wondering, once the price of silver goes up, where would someone go to sell/sale/sail/cell their silver and get the most out if it?

Also, say it hits $50 an ounce. Would you expect to get $50 per ounce when cashing out?

I figure is anyone’s guess but any speculation on how high it might go?

if you are talking about when I will sell physical silver, the target price is more like $500 an oz :). What that means is I am not buying silver to "invest" but rather as insurance. When I dump my physical silver, I expect there to be no meaningful offers in terms of dollars for profitable businesses, commercial real estate, producing farmland, etc.

If I want to get more dollars for silver as it moves, I will buy junior silver and gold mining stocks. Right now I am fairly big into GPL, which I have owned since it was $0.37. I sold some at 2, bot it back at 1 sold at 98 and bot again at 90 (more shares). I also bot some more at .42 and some more at .52. I may sell some of that around 2. I am not a good stock trader like that, though.
 
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Seems to me like Rural Acerage would be the thing to be investing in.
It’s getting damn expensive, unless you are really far away from EVERYTHING. And I do mean far.
 
well, our physical gold and silver (not ETFs, etc.) pays for itself with peace of mind.
i tried playing the trading game. i was (still) not good at it and got out.

i do sell some every once in a while
just to keep in practice, and buy
when i have some extra cash.

right now, my opinion on PM and ammo/guns
is about the same. one day soon, we may look
back on 2020 as when they were "cheap".
 
$1 us dollar = 236,914 Ves Venezuelan dollars.

Price of gold in us dollars is $1900
Price of gold in Ves is 472,558,707

Price of silver in us dollars is $22.97
Price of silver in Ves is 5,659,181
 
if you are talking about when I will sell physical silver, the target price is more like $500 an oz :). What that means is I am not buying silver to "invest" but rather as insurance. When I dump my physical silver, I expect there to be no meaningful offers in terms of dollars for profitable businesses, commercial real estate, producing farmland, etc.

If I want to get more dollars for silver as it moves, I will buy junior silver and gold mining stocks. Right now I am fairly big into GPL, which I have owned since it was $0.37. I sold some at 2, bot it back at 1 sold at 98 and bot again at 90 (more shares). I also bot some more at .42 and some more at .52. I may sell some of that around 2. I am not a good stock trader like that, though.

I would never buy stocks in gold or silver, only the real deal that you can hold in your hand. If the SHTF, what do you think is better? Having several pounds of Silver that you can use to barter or trade, or a piece of paper that says you own several pounds of silver that you can use to barter or trade. I'll pick metal over paper.
 
I would never buy stocks in gold or silver, only the real deal that you can hold in your hand. If the SHTF, what do you think is better? Having several pounds of Silver that you can use to barter or trade, or a piece of paper that says you own several pounds of silver that you can use to barter or trade. I'll pick metal over paper.

I understand. I am just not wealthy enough to have all the stuff in my hand that I want, so I play with miners, etfs (I short puts) and some futures.
You can't leverage solid bullion the way you can paper investments. Believe me, if I had enough for a thousand ounces of gold and 10 thousand ounces of silver, I would never play paper...., but I don't.... so I do. :) YMMV
 
Y'all are making silver an' gold more complicated than it should be. Forget about selling it, don't worry about ratios, ignore the ups and the downs and fear not the short supply. Just buy it when you can, and keep buyin' it.

You should have some silver and some gold, so that when Schumer Hits The Fan, you will have some silver and some gold. In order to have it then, you have to purchase it now.

20% of your wealth in gold or silver will hedge against inflation, sure... but you can think about it totally independent of fiat currencies. The fiat currencies will all eventually reach their intrinsic value of Zero. Then, you will be left with your gold and silver. It's that simple.

I am not wealthy now. I have a small amount of silver and gold, but when Schumer hits, in whatever form, I will be wealthy then. What I mean is, when the dollar is toast, and all of my net worth follows it into a handbasket headed for hell, and all the money I have left is a small, heavy box of silver and gold... my net worth will be higher than it ever was when it was measured in US Dollars.

And, of course, you cannot eat silver or gold, so you must have a few other things as well. Guns, ammo, stored food and the ability to grow food...
 
Rural acerage is great but is fairly hard to hide. A piece of paper saying that you own it and another saying that you have paid the taxes on it will be scant protection against someone who wants to occupy it against your wishes.
 
$29.32/oz
8/10/20 @ 10:19a/est
 
And it was under $13/oz in mid-March ... if you could find any to buy.
 
And it was under $13/oz in mid-March ... if you could find any to buy.

It wasn’t for sale at spot anywhere. Even now the big metals dealers have a big premium on silver. APMEX wants 4.50 over spot for junk 90% silver bags. It was worse when the price dipped earlier this year.

So the only place silver was on sale was commodities futures. Physical metal didn’t dip much.
 
It wasn’t for sale at spot anywhere. Even now the big metals dealers have a big premium on silver. APMEX wants 4.50 over spot for junk 90% silver bags. It was worse when the price dipped earlier this year.

So the only place silver was on sale was commodities futures. Physical metal didn’t dip much.
Yep, somewhere around 75¢ over spot pre-COVID scare to $3 plus over spot after on bullion ...
 
At least people are still buying gold. I sold my old wedding band on fleabay last week. 7.5g of 14k. Gold was around $2050/oz during the auction , so for the sake of easy maths lets call it an even $65/g.

7.5g X $65 = $487.50 X .583 (14K) = $284 melt value. Sold for $350 plus shipping.
 
I shoulda bought more last week. I have just recently gotten into having tangible metals, meaning silver bullion and junk silver because that's what I can justify in cash outlay. It's definitely more of a peace of mind/insurance thing than investment. I'll probably continue buying until I don't feel the price is "reasonable ".
 
NCFubar...same thing for me.
i have offered, but no one
is selling...to me, anyway.
 
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