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Every time I’m near a location that sells reloading components I stop in just to see what’s on the self. I was in Cary this morning and decided to stop in at Academy Sports. I arrived at 8:50 to realize they don’t open until 9:00. I also found a line from the front door all the way to the end of the building, of people waiting in line to buy ammo. I did not ask how long they had been waiting but it must have been a long time as one gentlemen broke out a lawn chair and sat down while he waited. As they opened the doors the line was guided by the store manager to the service desk where they had the ammo waiting. It did not take long for all the handgun ammo to disappear. I don’t understand why people weren’t prepared and are now waiting God knows how long for one box of ammo.


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Not surprised. Most people aren’t thinking ahead. They assume there will always be ammo on the shelves despite having seen these type of scares multiple times in the past 10-15yr.

I’ve seen it with friends who thought “1k rounds is A LOT!” Then see the empty shelves and realize it makes a lot of sense to buy ahead.
 
And like the last time, bunch of old farts buying it all up. For what end game? To fondle, look at, brag about, have something to give them purpose in life?


I have kept a plentiful supply on hand since Clinton was elected and have never needed to stand in line for unavailable supplies during a crisis. Most past crises have been about not being able to get ammo in the future because of feared legislation. That is true to a certain extent this time, but there is the added fear of the several radical commie groups bringing organized armed violence to people. This was not a great fear before but is an absolute reality now. This violence seems to be acceptable to the left wing politicians and to the media who do more to promote it than to stop it. There is a real threat that these old farts have not seen previously. These old farts also realize that the government is not protecting them and that their safety rests in their own hands. These old farts are too old to run or fight with their hands so they must have an equalizer when a white female terrorist dressed in black, wearing a mask, and carrying a fire bomb tries to destroy them. These old farts hope never to have to use that one box of ammo but realize that several rounds out of that one box may actually save their lives and the lives of their families. I do not think they really want that ammo but rather feel that they might actually need it. They very well might actually need it if things continue as they are.
 
And like the last time, bunch of old farts buying it all up. For what end game? To fondle, look at, brag about, have something to give them purpose in life?
Your ammo stash doesn't give you purpose in life? I must be doing something wrong... :D
 
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Aside from recreation and resale, has there ever been a reason for a private US citizen to own 10,000+ rounds of loaded ammo?

I’m not saying I don’t. I’m also not saying anyone shouldn’t. But the reality is, no one has ever needed to.
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And like the last time, bunch of old farts buying it all up. For what end game? To fondle, look at, brag about, have something to give them purpose in life?
This is the majority of buyers.
No matter what the 'rush' is for, they gotta have it. I've seen it all over the years-
Beanie babies, Cabbage patch dolls, classic coke, twinkies, and recently... ammo, toilet paper, masks, hand sanitizer etc...whatever. Just say everyone is buying it and the wallets fly open with no thought. Bunch of hyper ventilating half-wit twits in a frenzy.

The ultimate destiny for all this stuff? After the buyer of all things ridiculous dies, the kids are left trying to figure out how to get rid of all this crap.
 
Every time I’m near a location that sells reloading components I stop in just to see what’s on the self. I was in Cary this morning and decided to stop in at Academy Sports. I arrived at 8:50 to realize they don’t open until 9:00. I also found a line from the front door all the way to the end of the building, of people waiting in line to buy ammo. I did not ask how long they had been waiting but it must have been a long time as one gentlemen broke out a lawn chair and sat down while he waited. As they opened the doors the line was guided by the store manager to the service desk where they had the ammo waiting. It did not take long for all the handgun ammo to disappear. I don’t understand why people weren’t prepared and are now waiting God knows how long for one box of ammo.


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I think a lot of these people are new buyers. They just bought a gun but could not get ammo. Read a couple of boards and everyone tells them they are stupid for not have 10K rounds on hand to beat back the liberal hordes waiting to kill them, their family and their dog. So the fears that drove them to buy a gun are now driving them to get more ammo. On top of that you have people who are out of work with time on their hands. Their time no longer has a monetary value. Standing in line to get some ammo and resell it. This is a source of income. I am sure there are groups of people doing this. You can see a lot of Browning 150 round boxes on GB and those are only sold at Academy IIRC.

Others are causal shooters who do not see shooting and using a gun for personal protection as a primary part of their lives. They now realize they don't have any ammo and need to get some. My father in law a is a perfect example. I saw him about a month ago. He lives over in Wilmington. He is a former Marine. He shoots every now and then. Owns a Colt 1911, M14 and maybe a Glock. It was his birthday and knowing what I know gave him a few boxes of 45 ACP. I asked him if he was having trouble getting ammo. He said no and asked me if I had heard of a store call Academy. He just goes there and they have whatever he needs on the shelf. I just smiled and chuckled to myself knowing that the local Academy was empty because I has checked its inventory on the way down. LOL I am sure he will be shocked the next time he goes to get ammo and it looks like a Russian grocery store in there.

Most people who own guns in this country do not live an breathe guns like many of the people on this board do. The overwhelming majority of gun owners never shoot or shoot a couple times a year. They don't spend most of the free time doing gun related stuff. We live in a sort of bubble because we do. We talk to like minded people and in a way become insulated. We start to see our habits as the majority not the minority. When in reality vs the gun owning population at large we are a small minority. IMHO YMMV
 
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So if I can summarize this thread?

My hording is ok; prudent; visionary even.
Anyone else's hording is bad, half-witted; neurotic.

Is that about it?

Then you read the thread wrong, for some reason...this thread is about those who were unprepared for another run on ammo after multiple examples in recent history where ammo became scarce to unavailable. It also mentions those who take advantage of these situations to earn a buck off of other peoples lack of preparedness.
 
The same can be said of people who stock up, can it not? EDIT: @zuerjoha beat me to it! :)

Aside from recreation and resale, has there ever been a reason for a private US citizen to own 10,000+ rounds of loaded ammo?

I’m not saying I don’t. I’m also not saying anyone shouldn’t. But the reality is, no one has ever needed to.
Because it's cheaper in bulk.
I don't want to pay small quantity prices at a gun range, especially during a panic.
Not long ago you could do brass 9mm for 16c after discounts and rebates if you bought 500+ at a time.
Now prices are getting near 40-50c per, for ammo of lesser quality.

This is something I often tell people - if you're paying $16 per 50box at a range, why not pay $16 for 2 50boxes ahead of time, shoot your 50, and keep 50 for "the next time"? Why would you limit that to only 2 boxes?
 
Then you read the thread wrong, for some reason...this thread is about those who were unprepared for another run on ammo after multiple examples in recent history where ammo became scarce to unavailable. It also mentions those who take advantage of these situations to earn a buck off of other peoples lack of preparedness.

Perhaps. I think a lot of this is "I was prepared back in year X" whilst someone else is getting prepared in year X+n and the year X's are just being smug. Whatever.

PS

Self-disclosure ... I'm probably in the middle-ground. I only came "into" firearms about 4-5 years ago. Did reasonable due diligence on stockpiling 5.56/9mm as my initial interest was in the CC/SD side. But I'm having to collect/horde up a bit here now with hunting calibers thinking ahead to learning in older age what I wasn't raised to.
 
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And like the last time, bunch of old farts buying it all up. For what end game? To fondle, look at, brag about, have something to give them purpose in life?

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QUOTE="Friday, post: 1194355, member: 366"]This is the majority of buyers.
No matter what the 'rush' is for, they gotta have it. I've seen it all over the years-
Beanie babies, Cabbage patch dolls, classic coke, twinkies, and recently... ammo, toilet paper, masks, hand sanitizer etc...whatever. Just say everyone is buying it and the wallets fly open with no thought. Bunch of hyper ventilating half-wit twits in a frenzy.

The ultimate destiny for all this stuff? After the buyer of all things ridiculous dies, the kids are left trying to figure out how to get rid of all this crap.[/QUOTE]

If it wasn't for us old farts you young farts wouldn't have been born. You might be there one day if you are lucky.

Everything I buy is with thought. I worked my ass off for over 50 years and if I can afford it I'll buy it. Right now I can't, so I don't.

I gave up hyperventilating a long time ago about anything except good looking women, a 50 pound king mackerel or a 12 point buck.

Us old farts don't worry about this stuff cause we were smart enough to get what we needed and maintain a stock before most of you were out of diapers. I have given away more crap than I should have but I believe in helping out when I can afford to, especially for folks that are appreciative of it.

I really don't give a damn what they do with my stuff, I'll be dead. They can back a dumpster in here and toss it all for all I care. What is ridiculous to you don't mean shit to me.

Have a nice day.
 
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Then you read the thread wrong, for some reason...this thread is about those who were unprepared for another run on ammo after multiple examples in recent history where ammo became scarce to unavailable. It also mentions those who take advantage of these situations to earn a buck off of other peoples lack of preparedness.

Personally, I have no intention of taking advantage of a fellow gun owner. My stash is generally not for sale. I did however sell a couple hundred mini-mags recently to a close friend for roughly what I paid for them.
 
And like the last time, bunch of old farts buying it all up. For what end game? To fondle, look at, brag about, have something to give them purpose in life?

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QUOTE="Friday, post: 1194355, member: 366"]This is the majority of buyers.
No matter what the 'rush' is for, they gotta have it. I've seen it all over the years-
Beanie babies, Cabbage patch dolls, classic coke, twinkies, and recently... ammo, toilet paper, masks, hand sanitizer etc...whatever. Just say everyone is buying it and the wallets fly open with no thought. Bunch of hyper ventilating half-wit twits in a frenzy.

The ultimate destiny for all this stuff? After the buyer of all things ridiculous dies, the kids are left trying to figure out how to get rid of all this crap.

If it wasn't for us old farts you young farts wouldn't have been born. You might be there one day if you are lucky.

Everything I buy is with thought. I worked my ass off for over 50 years and if I can afford it I'll buy it. Right now I can't, so I don't.

I gave up hyperventilating a long time ago about anything except good looking women, a 50 pound king mackerel or a 12 point buck.

Us old farts don't worry about this stuff cause we were smart enough to get what we needed and maintain a stock before most of you were out of diapers. I have given away more crap than I should have but I believe in helping out when I can afford to, especially for folks that are appreciative of it.

I really don't give a damn what they do with my stuff, I'll be dead. They can back a dumpster in here and toss it all for all I care. What is ridiculous to you don't mean shit to me.

Have a nice day.

You for got to tell us to get off your lawn..... LMAO Maybe its time for a nap.

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I have kept a plentiful supply on hand since Clinton was elected and have never needed to stand in line for unavailable supplies during a crisis. Most past crises have been about not being able to get ammo in the future because of feared legislation. That is true to a certain extent this time, but there is the added fear of the several radical commie groups bringing organized armed violence to people. This was not a great fear before but is an absolute reality now. This violence seems to be acceptable to the left wing politicians and to the media who do more to promote it than to stop it. There is a real threat that these old farts have not seen previously. These old farts also realize that the government is not protecting them and that their safety rests in their own hands. These old farts are too old to run or fight with their hands so they must have an equalizer when a white female terrorist dressed in black, wearing a mask, and carrying a fire bomb tries to destroy them. These old farts hope never to have to use that one box of ammo but realize that several rounds out of that one box may actually save their lives and the lives of their families. I do not think they really want that ammo but rather feel that they might actually need it. They very well might actually need it if things continue as they are.

These old farts are not that honorable. :p
They are just tired of sitting home and want to get out and do something.
 
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I think a lot of these people are new buyers. They just bought a gun but could not get ammo. Read a couple of boards and everyone tells them they are stupid for not have 10K rounds on hand to beat back the liberal hordes waiting to kill them, their family and their dog. So the fears that drove them to buy a gun are now driving them to get more ammo. On top of that you have people who are out of work with time on their hands. Their time no longer has a monetary value. Standing in line to get some ammo a resell it on is a source of income. I am sure there are groups of people doing this.

Others are causal shooters who do not see shooting and using a gun for personal protection as a primary part of their lives. They now realize they don't have any ammo and need to get some. My father in law a is a perfect example. I saw him about a month ago. He lives over in Wilmington. He is a former Marine. He shoots every now and then. Owns a Colt 1911, M14 and maybe a Glock. It was his birthday and knowing what I know gave him a few boxes of 45 ACP. I asked him if he was having trouble getting ammo. He said no and asked me if I had heard of a store call Academy. He just goes there and they have whatever he needs on the shelf. I just smiled and chuckled to myself knowing that the local Academy was empty because I has checked its inventory on the way down. LOL I am sure he will be shocked the next time he goes to get ammo and it looks like a Russian grocery store in there.

Most people who own guns in this country do not live an breathe guns like many of the people on this board do. The overwhelming majority of gun owners never shoot or shoot a couple times a year. They don't spend most of the free time doing gun related stuff. We live in a sort of bubble because we do. We talk to like minded people and in a way become insulated. We start to see our habits as the majority not the minority. When in reality vs the gun owning population at large we are a small minority. IMHO YMMV

Your point regarding new gun owners has merit, thanks for being that to my attention. Can’t argue that at all, many of the large box stores and local gun shops are wiped out of firearms as well. In fact one gentlemen was asking the firearms guy if they had any Remington 870s back in stock, the answer was no and wasn’t sure when they would get a shipment. Nor can I argue your point regarding gun people doing gun things like stocking ammo, magazines, and etc. I agree everyone sees things through their personal values and priorities.

My main point was just being prepared in general. Depending on the season, I always have water, food, chain saw, and gear specific to what Mother Nature will bring. In general I like being prepared. Typically, these events aren’t to difficult to predict (except the toilet paper shortage caught me off guard, fortunately I always buy it in bulk lol). I’m not saying everyone should have 10K rounds of ammo like some of us. However, I feel if you own a firearm, you should maintain a some level of preparedness. I shouldn’t be surprised people aren’t prepared for much of anything. Americans are so used to running down the store and grabbing the needed item off the shelf.


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I only buy ammo in bulk, when the price is right.
I see no advantage of buying over priced 20/50 round boxes.
I’ve seen the old men in line salivating over the last box of .22 or 9mm or .223.
Its a game to them, who can find it and win the prize. They have no intention of shooting it, they resell.
All so they can tell their buddy's at the Hardees in the morning, over there 6th cup of senior coffee, what they do every morning when the stores open.

I hope that I never am so bored with life ...

ps... like the old man next door that mows his lawn 4 times a week because he is just a dead man walking, well ridding.

and before all you codgers get your depends in a bunch, I’m telling myself to make sure I remember to follow a different path. Dear Lord, please.
 
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Perhaps. I think a lot of this is "I was prepared back in year X" whilst someone else is getting prepared in year X+n and the year X's are just being smug. Whatever.

PS

Self-disclosure ... I'm probably in the middle-ground. I only came "into" firearms about 4-5 years ago. Did reasonable due diligence on stockpiling 5.56/9mm as my initial interest was in the CC/SD side. But I'm having to collect/horde up a bit here now with hunting calibers thinking ahead to learning in older age what I wasn't raised to.

There may be, in fact, some "smugness" involved. But it is well justified. For me, personally, its like watching a kid reaching to touch a stove and me saying "No, its hot!" and they get burned a little...but 10 minutes later they are reaching again and I yell "No, its hot!" and they continue to insist on touching the stove. At some point (aside from poor parenting having the stove on and not personally stopping them, but you get the jist of my analogy) it becomes the childs own fault for getting burned. You, as a newer shooter fall into the next group Ill discuss, but its the "shoulda known better but failed to pay attention" crowd we take issue with.

As for newer shooters like yourself, and others who have recently come into the fold, the smugness isnt towards you...if anything, its on your behalf. There are those who will line up, buy all they can, and then turn and flip it for a hefty profit. This keeps it out of the hands of newer shooters who are just now trying to catch up. Yes, capitalist society. Yes, they have a right to do it. Doesnt mean its not kinda a jerk move.
 
Your point regarding new gun owners has merit, thanks for being that to my attention. Can’t argue that at all, many of the large box stores and local gun shops are wiped out of firearms as well. In fact one gentlemen was asking the firearms guy if they had any Remington 870s back in stock, the answer was no and wasn’t sure when they would get a shipment. Nor can I argue your point regarding gun people doing gun things like stocking ammo, magazines, and etc. I agree everyone sees things through their personal values and priorities.

My main point was just being prepared in general. Depending on the season, I always have water, food, chain saw, and gear specific to what Mother Nature will bring. In general I like being prepared. Typically, these events aren’t to difficult to predict (except the toilet paper shortage caught me off guard, fortunately I always buy it in bulk lol). I’m not saying everyone should have 10K rounds of ammo like some of us. However, I feel if you own a firearm, you should maintain a some level of preparedness. I shouldn’t be surprised people aren’t prepared for much of anything. Americans are so used to running down the store and grabbing the needed item off the shelf.


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I agree with you on a lot of points. I am a bulk buyer when it comes to stuff not just ammo and gun stuff. We have become a just in time society. Look at Amazon and 2 day Prime. People are losing their mind that they cannot get their crap in 2 days as if it is going to make or break their world. People can't deal with eating what is available vs what they want. In the end this is yet another lesson in psychology. People see scarcity and they panic. They think what am I missing out on. If I everyone is buying it like crazy then it must have value. I can't miss out. So they they jump right in and buy with the rest of them too often without really thinking it through. I think this happens even more when the thing you are purchasing is new to you. You don't have a good frame of reference.

I only have more ammo than usual because in the last year I have seen prices I had not seen in a longtime. I was stocking up more than usual because I assumed that the overproduction and surplus in the market was going to disspear and we would see price increases in 2020. I got lucky and it was much worse than I expected and it happened much faster than I thought it would.
 
The same can be said of people who stock up, can it not? EDIT: @zuerjoha beat me to it! :)

Aside from recreation and resale, has there ever been a reason for a private US citizen to own 10,000+ rounds of loaded ammo?

I’m not saying I don’t. I’m also not saying anyone shouldn’t. But the reality is, no one has ever needed to.

You dropped a zero.
 
and before all you codgers get your depends in a bunch, I’m telling myself to make sure I remember to follow a different path. Dear Lord, please.
If you have a good cause, I'll donate a loaded mag or two so you can go out on a pile of smoking brass :)
 
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but ...

you don't choose that path.
Which path being so bored you sit around doing nothing or the one were you actually have a goal/purpose/ or even freaking reason for waking up.
 
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