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Americans have been “blinded from science,” according to a recent research report about their understanding of COVID-19. And it’s not about the controversial aspects like treatments and lockdown policies. It’s about ignorance of fundamental, undisputed facts on who is at risk.

A leading financial firm, Franklin Templeton, figured that people’s behavioral response to the pandemic will play a crucial role in shaping the economic recovery, so they teamed up with Gallup, the polling outfit, to find out what people know and don’t know.

“These results are nothing short of stunning,” concluded the firm. “Six months into this pandemic, Americans still dramatically misunderstand the risk of dying from COVID-19.”

That’s no exaggeration, and the implications go far beyond the economic behavior Franklin Templeton was interested in.

Here is what they found:

First, the Franklin Templeton-Gallup survey found that the general population has little understanding how heavily the pandemic is focused on the older population. It is not broad-based. From the report:

  • On average, Americans believe that people aged 55 and older account for just over half of total COVID-19 deaths; the actual figure is 92%.
  • Americans believe that people aged 44 and younger account for about 30% of total deaths; the actual figure is 2.7%.
  • Americans overestimate the risk of death from COVID-19 for people aged 24 and younger by a factor of 50; and they think the risk for people aged 65 and older is half of what it actually is (40% vs 80%).
Here are the full results in chart form:

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Source: They Blinded Us from Science, Franklin Templeton Report
In Illinois, too, coronavirus deaths are very heavily concentrated in the older population. The Franklin-Gallup survey about perceptions is not broken down by state, but we do have the underlying facts for Illinois.

The state’s data say 82% of COVID-19 death victims are 60 or older. Most Illinoisans undoubtedly don’t know that because only broad averages are normally reported. Many critics of lockdown policies, including Wirepoints, have long argued against one-size-fits all policies. Efforts, instead, should be more focused on those truly at risk – the elderly and those with comorbidities. We update our coronavirus data report every day that includes deaths by age group.

The lower your age the greater the ignorance:

What’s perhaps most striking from the survey is the connection between age of the respondents and their misconception about the virus. The younger you are, the more likely it is that you don’t understand.

“The discrepancy with the actual mortality data is staggering: for people aged 18–24, the share of those worried about serious health consequences is 400 times higher than the share of total COVID deaths; for those age 25–34 it is 90 times higher,” says the report. “The chart below truly is worth a thousand words:”

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Source: They Blinded Us from Science, Franklin Templeton Report
The only good news there is that folks 65 and older are much more aware of the heightened risk for their own age group.

Social media and partisanship blamed:

The report blames the ignorance on two major culprits: the quality of information and the extreme politicization of the COVID-19 debate:

  • People who get their information predominantly from social media have the most erroneous and distorted perception of risk.
  • Those who identify as Democrats tend to mistakenly overstate the risk of death from COVID-19 for younger people much more than Republicans.
Sadly, that comes as no surprise, according to the report:

Fear and anger are the most reliable drivers of engagement; scary tales of young victims of the pandemic, intimating that we are all at risk of dying, quickly go viral; so do stories that blame everything on your political adversaries. Both social and traditional media have been churning out both types of narratives in order to generate more clicks and increase their audience.

The report found significant difference across partisan lines, though it did not include much neevidence:

According to our study, political affiliation is as powerful as age in predicting whether someone would be likely to eat at a restaurant indoors; Democrats have roughly the same willingness to eat in a restaurant at 25% capacity as Republicans do in a restaurant at full capacity. Individual risk from COVID-19 depends on age and health, but perceived risk depends on one’s politics— and it’s perceived risk that drives behavior. Conversely, previous Gallup research has found that Republicans have been less likely to accept public health guidelines like wearing a mask, regardless of the local rate of infection—again evidence that partisanship plays an important role.

Implications:

Whatever the causes, what’s clear from the study is that most Americans don’t understand COVID-19’s age discrimination. Risks are concentrated far more heavily on the older population than people think, especially young people.

One consequence for business people is that consumers are prepared to pay up for more security from the virus, according to the report. For example, it says, air travelers are willing to pay more to get an empty seat next to them.

But the implications go far beyond business considerations, as the report itself nicely concludes:

From a public interest perspective, we believe the top priority should be better information and a less partisan, more fact-based public debate. It is shocking that six months into the pandemic so many people still ignore the basic mortality statistics, with perceived risk driven by political leanings rather than individual age and health. Misperceptions of risk distort both individual behavior and policy decisions.

The fact that a large share of the population overestimates the COVID-19 danger to the young will make a targeted public health response more difficult to agree on. We think it is also likely to delay the recovery, causing a deeper and prolonged recession.

Amen to that.

*Mark Glennon is founder of Wirepoints.

Our additional articles and research on COVID-19 are here.
 
People have been hit with soooo many BS numbers and misinformation from all sides that most are now "number blind". They don't know what in hell to believe or who to believe it from. The "powers" have neutered themselves with misleading and outright false info.....
You could be talking about global warming/climate change, or race relations, or outside influence on elections, or hurricane warnings, or...
 
People have been hit with soooo many BS numbers and misinformation from all sides that most are now "number blind". They don't know what in hell to believe or who to believe it from. The "powers" have neutered themselves with misleading and outright false info.....
You’re 100% correct and I swear it’s by design, too.
 
People have been hit with soooo many BS numbers and misinformation from all sides that most are now "number blind". They don't know what in hell to believe or who to believe it from. The "powers" have neutered themselves with misleading and outright false info.....

Some of it is bad methodology. Some of it is dirty data. Some of it is bad science. Some of it is government malfeasance. People are indeed getting 'numbers fatigue', and are showing human nature: when two pieces of data are contradictory, you pick the one you like and drive on.
 
When hospitals get paid $5k extra for each Covid admission, numbers get exaggerated, pay them more for each Covid ICU admission, guess what you get, pay them more to intubate and ventilate a 'Covid Patient', hmmm, fire up the ventilators!, even more bucks to code it a Covid death, you start getting motorcycles in the mix.

If this "pandemic" wasn't 90% BS we'd be getting daily lectures from THE AUTHORITIES on proper use of PPE: no, a mask worn under your nose does no good. No facial hair. But we don't. We'd hear about the Cytokine Storm, but we don't.

It's too bad that getting Trump out and cementing world government is 90% of the purpose of the hysteria, so the information put out by THE AUTHORITIES and regurgitated by most sources is as bogus as the pedestal of our fentanyl ODing hero George Floyd.
 
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This is all just standard Democrat/Left wing/statist operating procedure. Whatever they claim is usually direct opposite. So if they accuse Trump of collaborating with foreigners to steal an election that means they used foreigners. If they tell you your healthcare costs will go down they will go up. If they accuse you of being a science or climate denier it’s because they have corrupted the science and thus are destroying science with their corruption. How can any group be taken seriously that tells us there is a virtual infinite number of genders?
 
Some of it is bad methodology. Some of it is dirty data. Some of it is bad science. Some of it is government malfeasance. People are indeed getting 'numbers fatigue', and are showing human nature: when two pieces of data are contradictory, you pick the one you like and drive on.
Why is it in the US the protocol is to send people who test positive home, tell them to eat chicken soup, and if you develop breathing trouble then go to the ER (and pray for a positive outcome) whereas most other countries are treating people early with both HC and Ivermectin, plus antibiotics (azithtromyacin and doxycycline) that interrupt the viral messenger RNA patterns, plus now adding zinc. These things were touted in Europe and other places since day one. There is growing, now in the thousands of cases, where early intervention is demonstrating near 100% recovery compared to failure to treat?
 
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When hospitals get paid $5k extra for each Covid admission, numbers get exaggerated, pay them more for each Covid ICU admission, guess what you get, pay them more to intubate and ventilate a 'Covid Patient', hmmm, fire up the ventilators.

Most hospitals are not doing this. Most COVID patients are sent home, not admitted; and most that are admitted, do not end up in critical care.

Why is it in the US the protocol is to send people who test positive home, tell them to eat chicken soup, and if you develop breathing trouble then go to the ER (and pray for a positive outcome) whereas most other countries are treating people early with both HC and Ivermectin, plus antibiotics (azithtromyacin and doxycycline) that interrupt the viral messenger RNA patterns, plus now adding zinc. These things were touted in Europe and other places since day one. There is growing, now in the thousands of cases, where early intervention is demonstrating near 100% recovery compared to failure to treat?

GREAT question.
 
I was once concerned greatly. I saw the great leader of the state of NC on television telling me of the horrid dangers we face if we don't shut it all down, isolate completely, wear masks, douse in hand sanitizer, and avoid any and all crowds. If you fail to do any of these then you are putting your life, and the life of all of those around you in mortal danger.

And then I saw him marching in the streets, in a large crowd, for something politically expedient, while not wearing a mask.
 
Of course, new information is coming out daily, adding to everyone's confusion:

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...ific/hong-kong-first-coronavirus-reinfection/


I'm not an immunologic and not fully aware of how the immune system works.

It seems to me that once you have the antibodies you are immune from catching the virus again. If the virus is still around then you are getting your "daily dose" of virus intruders. The body has a reason to produce more antibodies and keep you safe from reinfection. Provided the virus has mutated beyond your current antibodies capabilities.

But wait, we must stay masked and keep our distance. This effectively is reducing the exposure and reintroduction of the virus to the body. Hence, the body says there isn't a current threat so let's stop wasting resources to make these particular antibodies.

Was it back in the 90s early 2000s when the doctors finally figured out that keeping your kids in a pristine clean environment was reducing their immune system? Is that the same affect happening with the Wuhan flu?
 
I'm not an immunologic and not fully aware of how the immune system works.

It seems to me that once you have the antibodies you are immune from catching the virus again. If the virus is still around then you are getting your "daily dose" of virus intruders. The body has a reason to produce more antibodies and keep you safe from reinfection. Provided the virus has mutated beyond your current antibodies capabilities.

But wait, we must stay masked and keep our distance. This effectively is reducing the exposure and reintroduction of the virus to the body. Hence, the body says there isn't a current threat so let's stop wasting resources to make these particular antibodies.

Was it back in the 90s early 2000s when the doctors finally figured out that keeping your kids in a pristine clean environment was reducing their immune system? Is that the same affect happening with the Wuhan flu?

In theory, yes, once you have antibodies, you don't get the disease again. I say 'in theory' because there is evidence that with COVID antibodies decrease over time. We don't know if this is in some people or all people; and if people get reinfected, if the severity as bad.

Also, there is evidence that COVID can cause cardiac problems in young people who have not had cardiac disease. I bring this up here, because if you get COVID and get better and get reinfected, if you have COVID-induced cardiac disease, the severity could potentially be worse than the first bout of COVID.
 
Last night Biden said, "he would make mask wearing mandatory nationally while in a public place". He said that in a room with 2 other people who are not his immediate family members while none of them were wearing a mask!
 
@Chuckman is correct about C19 antibodies decreasing over time up to the point of reinfection.
The article below is from Medpage:
A 33-year-old man in Hong Kong may represent the first confirmed case of reinfection, researchers in Hong Kong said.
The man was diagnosed with COVID-19 on March 26, hospitalized, then recovered. He tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 again on August 15, and whole genome sequencing of viral isolates from the two episodes indicated they were from different clades, reported Kwok-Yung Yuen, MD, of the University of Hong Kong, and colleagues in a manuscript they said had been accepted for publication in Clinical Infectious Diseases, but not yet published.

That is almost unassailable evidence that the man was infected a second time, and another indication, albeit far from definitive, that immunity to SARS-CoV-2 may not last very long.
Interestingly, the patient was asymptomatic during his second infection, the authors said.
Reinfection was suspected in a few previous cases of COVID-19, but never documented. Many experts believed what appeared to be reinfection was simply prolonged infection. But these researchers could not be more clear:
"We report the first case of reinfection of COVID-19," they wrote. "Epidemiological, clinical, serological and genomic analyses confirmed that the patient had reinfection instead of persistent viral shedding from first infection."
Indeed, whole genome sequencing found the first viral genome was most closely related to SARS-CoV-2 strains from the U.S. or England collected in March/April strain and the second viral genome was most closely related to strains from Switzerland and England in July/August. There were 24 nucleotide differences suggesting different strains.

Rest of the article and source

Edit: Check out the comments if you end up reading the article online - some are interesting and make sense.
 
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This is mostly a rant so here goes; from reading the history on transmittable viruses it has been years of knowledge and technology without one step to improve the testing methods to a useable timeframe. Current methods are comparable to the messaging methods back in the Pony Express days. Purely worthless knowledge by the time one receives the results of the test and very little hope in the near future for an immediate method. So now we sit on our hands and blame the current leaders of our institutions for being unprepared, blame is not a cure or method to stop this killer. We need help and it is going to be too slow in coming if this bad bug decides to change and follow the course of the Spanish flu, come November the election outcome could be the least of our worries.
 
@Chuckman is correct about C19 antibodies decreasing over time up to the point of reinfection.
The article below is from Medpage:
A 33-year-old man in Hong Kong may represent the first confirmed case of reinfection, researchers in Hong Kong said.
The man was diagnosed with COVID-19 on March 26, hospitalized, then recovered. He tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 again on August 15, and whole genome sequencing of viral isolates from the two episodes indicated they were from different clades, reported Kwok-Yung Yuen, MD, of the University of Hong Kong, and colleagues in a manuscript they said had been accepted for publication in Clinical Infectious Diseases, but not yet published.

That is almost unassailable evidence that the man was infected a second time, and another indication, albeit far from definitive, that immunity to SARS-CoV-2 may not last very long.
Interestingly, the patient was asymptomatic during his second infection, the authors said.
Reinfection was suspected in a few previous cases of COVID-19, but never documented. Many experts believed what appeared to be reinfection was simply prolonged infection. But these researchers could not be more clear:
"We report the first case of reinfection of COVID-19," they wrote. "Epidemiological, clinical, serological and genomic analyses confirmed that the patient had reinfection instead of persistent viral shedding from first infection."
Indeed, whole genome sequencing found the first viral genome was most closely related to SARS-CoV-2 strains from the U.S. or England collected in March/April strain and the second viral genome was most closely related to strains from Switzerland and England in July/August. There were 24 nucleotide differences suggesting different strains.

Rest of the article and source

But we have those cool t-cell things that nobody is talking about. So antibodies are not necessarily the be all end all. At least that anybody definitively knows at this point.
 
Last night Biden said, "he would make mask wearing mandatory nationally while in a public place". He said that in a room with 2 other people who are not his immediate family members while none of them were wearing a mask!

DON'T DO AS I DO, DO AS I SAY DO!!!!

If we don't have a vaccine why in hell are we still testing ?? What's being accomplished?? Except to run up their fake ass numbers??
 
The statistics clearly show that young people rarely if ever die of China Flu just like they rarely die of heart conditions, diabetes, lung cancer, breast cancer, etc... If your health is on the decline due to age anything can accelerate death. Are there exceptions? Of course there are like many ways to die.

The agenda of the media is clear- do not report anarchy in the streets because it scares people into voting for the tough guy and report how one orange man is responsible for the end of humanity by bat flu. If the media would have kept reporting the riots, stealing, and burning Trump would certainly be elected again. IF Trump wins in November the focus will turn to impeachment somehow.
 
Interestingly, the patient was asymptomatic during his second infection
If he had no symptoms why was he being tested again? Couldn't the test be reacting to the antibodies in his system.

I can't help but think that if COVID-19 was a flaw in a vehicle, that would kill the same number of people, it wouldn't even result in a recall.
 
If he had no symptoms why was he being tested again? Couldn't the test be reacting to the antibodies in his system.

A lot of people who are asymptomatic get tested; maybe his spouse/parent/child had it, maybe it was required for his job, who knows. If the test is the same as any other test to test for disease, it will not 'pick up' or be affected by antibodies.
 
If he had no symptoms why was he being tested again? Couldn't the test be reacting to the antibodies in his system.

I can't help but think that if COVID-19 was a flaw in a vehicle, that would kill the same number of people, it wouldn't even result in a recall.
If the number of deaths were a tenth of the currently claimed 150,000 the people would be in the streets screaming to shut the industry down.
 
Of course, new information is coming out daily, adding to everyone's confusion:

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...ific/hong-kong-first-coronavirus-reinfection/
According to the article, "His infections were clearly caused by different versions of the coronavirus, To said." Apparently the sequenced it and saw that they were two different strains. Interestingly the first infection caused enough of an immune reaction to make him asymptomatic, which doesn't always happen. He also was negative for any antibodies. I am guessing the second time he got the D614G variety which is the one that hit Italy and then spread to Europe and the US which is different than the one that spread through China.

On a similar note, about two weeks ago, my wife came down with a form of stomach bug and it took over a week to get past. On Saturday I started developing a stomach ache, abdominal pain and upper abdominal pressure. It was very reminiscent of a time I got sick in Feb 2019 (and that was one of the worst times I experience in how bad I felt) but for me I was over it in two days whereas it took about 8-9 days back then. I suspect it was the same or something similar to what I had exposure to prior and hence my more mild symptoms and much faster recovery than my wife. I have heard from others that there is apparently something, non covid, going around causing these symptoms.
 
Orange Man is on the verge of exposing a criminal enterprise that has be going on for sixty years.

He must be stopped, no matter the collateral damage.

Here, have some riots to go along with your manufactured bizzaro-virus.

The esteemed Scientists will be along when the time is right with the hideously-expensive antidote.
 
Why is it in the US the protocol is to send people who test positive home, tell them to eat chicken soup, and if you develop breathing trouble then go to the ER (and pray for a positive outcome) whereas most other countries are treating people early with both HC and Ivermectin, plus antibiotics (azithtromyacin and doxycycline) that interrupt the viral messenger RNA patterns, plus now adding zinc. These things were touted in Europe and other places since day one. There is growing, now in the thousands of cases, where early intervention is demonstrating near 100% recovery compared to failure to treat?
I've thought about this a lot.

The only reason I can come up with is money. Hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin + zinc is dirt cheap. Even using name-brand drugs instead of generics it would only cost about $8 - $10 per dose. With generics, a dose would cost about as much as a candy bar. Generic hydroxychloroquine is averages about $0.35 per dose, azythromycin is more, but I haven't found a solid price.

The FDA will not approve products that do not involve windfall profits for Big Pharma.
 
I've thought about this a lot.

The only reason I can come up with is money. Hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin + zinc is dirt cheap. Even using name-brand drugs instead of generics it would only cost about $8 - $10 per dose. With generics, a dose would cost about as much as a candy bar. Generic hydroxychloroquine is averages about $0.35 per dose, azythromycin is more, but I haven't found a solid price.

The FDA will not approve products that do not involve windfall profits for Big Pharma.
I don’t believe that the FDA does any research of solutions, they evaluate tests of efficacy and safety. If nobody puts together a proposal, then they have nothing to evaluate or approve. Who will spend the millions to test and get approval to use mint chocolate chip ice cream (or any cheap generic) since it’s not going to be profitable?
 
Didn't the .gov already hand out grants for this? I thought I saw that $$ was expended...
I think they handed out money to investigate treatments and vaccines, but nothing required that they be cheap treatments! Even if the government provides free cash, why investigate a possible cure that isn’t profitable?
 
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