2025 Population Forecast

It was an attempt at humor, misplaced in the face of such immense Occult and Esoteric principles knowledge.



Well, then let's dispense with the humor and sarcasm. Go peddle your end-of-times bullcrap somewhere with folks who give a damn. I can't waste good energy on Occult and Esoteric details. The end-of-times has been a favorite for conspiracy theorists for at least 2,000 years. Sometime, somewhere, someone will be right just because they keep predicting it. It might be about 5 billion years from now when the sun runs out of fuel. Till then keep the predictions coming. Just don't waste my time.

Setting the mystical elements aside, there seems to be a growing body of scientific evidence that our sun has periodic episodes of super high energy flares and possibly even micronovas.

I went to the Suspicious Observers web site and YouTube channel to see Ben Davidson's reporting on the science showing the sun is the primary driver of climate change. In the process I also saw the evidence he puts out that shows a ~12000 year cycle of those more dangerous bouts of solar activity.

Take it as you will, and 2025 seems to be thought of as too soon for the worst effects, but it will be at or near the peak of the current 11-year sunspot cycle. That means that flare activity will be peaking, and if the power grid takes a big hit that could easily explain a big population drop.

Whether or not you are religious, the universe is even more amazingly complex and interconnected than most of us have probably been taught. Our understanding is changing almost daily, conventional theories are being debunked, and it is fascinating.
 
You are indeed correct with the exception that the Bible we have now is watered down and lacking quite a bit of the actual teachings. The Canon was written and chosen by a group of individuals who do not (in my opinion) uphold any characteristics of the one true God, nor do they genuinely follow him.

Sorry, I missed this nuanced statement. You are obviously of superior intellect and can distinguish between the writings attributed to the one true God and what God actually meant to say. We await enlightenment with bated breath.
 
Cdc website says 2.8 million people died in 2017. If that's an average number per year. In 5 years that's 15 million. Maybe the mandatory vac they want to give us will make sterile. So yeah I could see the population dropping. And the civil war 2 they want to happen.
 
Don't know about all that.
I do know one thing though-
I'm going riding.
Vroom.

While y'all are busy building shelters and food storage and ammo warehouses and poring through survival books, I'm on my roof painting a big X with the words 'drop bomb here'.

If there's anything left after world-collapse, you can have my share.

You can think of me as callous, indifferent, shallow, even stupid. It's ok, I don't mind. But my query is; why in the hell do you spend every waking minute worrying about s__t that you have no control over?
Zero control. Zero.
Our primary differences seem to be that you spend the large majority of your time pre-occupied with the life you'll have then, and I spend the large majority of my time pre-occupied with the life I have now.

The only advice I can offer, for what it's worth..is go outside and play.


While you have the chance.
 
I find it interesting discussing "End Times" when we ourselves, individually, do not have an unlimited shelf-life.

We're Born, We Live, We Die, We're Dust. Doesn't matter how, nor really when.. but it's going to happen. It's life, no one gets out here alive. ( At least in the physical sense )

End Times have been talked about for 3000 years... fascination in which theory comes to fruition and the obsession about it is an Occult without an organization. Surely one of the theory's will come true.

I live under certain commandments and faith of what I believe. And from what I have seen, it's been the closest; but, I know not the time of when it occurs. I don't need to know, and chasing it or claiming I know is a Fool's Folly. But that is just me.

Enjoy!
 
So, back to the OP, what was the explanation? Was it religious in nature? Which I don't have a problem with, I just want to know.


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So, back to the OP, what was the explanation? Was it religious in nature? Which I don't have a problem with, I just want to know.


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The dude won't answer. I've asked him twice.
 
I find it interesting discussing "End Times" when we ourselves, individually, do not have an unlimited shelf-life.

We're Born, We Live, We Die, We're Dust. Doesn't matter how, nor really when.. but it's going to happen. It's life, no one gets out here alive. ( At least in the physical sense )

End Times have been talked about for 3000 years... fascination in which theory comes to fruition and the obsession about it is an Occult without an organization. Surely one of the theory's will come true.

I live under certain commandments and faith of what I believe. And from what I have seen, it's been the closest; but, I know not the time of when it occurs. I don't need to know, and chasing it or claiming I know is a Fool's Folly. But that is just me.

Enjoy!
I have Faith that the "affairs" of my house are in order. I'm not perfect, but perfected through Him, which is in me.
1 Thessalonians 5:2 thru 5
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
For they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

No one knows the hour or day!
REPENT! Turn from sin.

This is that spiritual battle...GOOD vs evil. It's not too hard to see the evil once one asks the Lord for spiritual discernment. The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. Satan's armies will be laid waste.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
 
You can think of me as callous, indifferent, shallow, even stupid. It's ok, I don't mind. But my query is; why in the hell do you spend every waking minute worrying about s__t that you have no control over?
Zero control. Zero.
Our primary differences seem to be that you spend the large majority of your time pre-occupied with the life you'll have then, and I spend the large majority of my time pre-occupied with the life I have now.

The only advice I can offer, for what it's worth..is go outside and play.


While you have the chance.
I might have just fallen in love! Dang!
Nicely done.
 
The dude won't answer. I've asked him twice.

My apologies @ChickenHawk , I didn't see you're question. Religiously motivated? That's kind of a loaded question. I think its more humanity motivated. We all live different lives with different views and honestly that should be "OK". In my spectrum, religion is non-existant and is simply a way that man can gain and control a segment of something he was never meant to control. I am a follower of Jesus Christ or Yeshua ben Yosef for the more literal translation. My post was more"alarmist" then religiously or politically charged.
 
I find it interesting discussing "End Times" when we ourselves, individually, do not have an unlimited shelf-life.

We're Born, We Live, We Die, We're Dust. Doesn't matter how, nor really when.. but it's going to happen. It's life, no one gets out here alive. ( At least in the physical sense )

End Times have been talked about for 3000 years... fascination in which theory comes to fruition and the obsession about it is an Occult without an organization. Surely one of the theory's will come true.

I live under certain commandments and faith of what I believe. And from what I have seen, it's been the closest; but, I know not the time of when it occurs. I don't need to know, and chasing it or claiming I know is a Fool's Folly. But that is just me.

Enjoy!
Oh boy, you're full on gnostic.

No sir, im not "Gnostic", I usualy tend to align with the "literal". Considering modern Christianity has X different translations, I prefer sitting down with the oldest translation and using a Greek Lexicon and Strongs Concordance to check the original Hebrew and Greek.
 
Sorry, I missed this nuanced statement. You are obviously of superior intellect and can distinguish between the writings attributed to the one true God and what God actually meant to say. We await enlightenment with bated breath.

No, not at all. I would never compare my feeble mind to the powerful quantum encephalon that you possess. I just don't agree with how the KJV translation (of which most newer translations are a further translation of) came about, considering the original Hebrew and Greek translations don't always align.
 
No, not at all. I would never compare my feeble mind to the powerful quantum encephalon that you possess. I just don't agree with how the KJV translation (of which most newer translations are a further translation of) came about, considering the original Hebrew and Greek translations don't always align.

I see where this is headed, and you can count me out of future discussions. If you ever care to reply to the inquiries about the site in the OP I might check back in. I can't see any "data driven" scenario which would reduce the US population by 2/3 while leaving most of the rest of the world unscathed.
 
I see where this is headed, and you can count me out of future discussions. If you ever care to reply to the inquiries about the site in the OP I might check back in. I can't see any "data driven" scenario which would reduce the US population by 2/3 while leaving most of the rest of the world unscathed.
Let's be honest with one another. The original post was in no way, me trying to start an argument, nor was I looking to be trolled over a genuine "WTF" look at this forecast. I was actually, being nice, introducing myself and letting everyone know that I would share my theologies if interested.

As for Data driven...... maybe you misinterpreted what I meant by "Data Driven". It simply means that it is driven by data..... of which is acquired from other countries and jurisdictions, when said data becomes available(according to the site).

Just because "you don't see" a scenario in which 2/3rd of the population expires, doesn't mean its implausible. If the Jews would have seen that Hitler was going to extinguish 2/3rds of the European Jewish population during WW2, then perhaps it might not have happen either.

Either way, I digress.... you began your last post with "i see where this is headed", but yet you were the one who initially commented on the thread, right? I didn't reach out and ask for you to comment. I will always defend myself when unwarranted statements are made insinuating I think i'm smarter than others. That never happened. But, ill gladly match sarcasm with sarcasm when needed.
 
My apologies @ChickenHawk , I didn't see you're question. Religiously motivated? That's kind of a loaded question. I think its more humanity motivated. We all live different lives with different views and honestly that should be "OK". In my spectrum, religion is non-existant and is simply a way that man can gain and control a segment of something he was never meant to control. I am a follower of Jesus Christ or Yeshua ben Yosef for the more literal translation. My post was more"alarmist" then religiously or politically charged.
That isn't what I asked. I asked what would kill 230 million Americans, and you said the information is there. The information is not there. So what will kill 230 million Americans? Seems that if someone had that kind of information and didn't share it they would be committing a terrible sin.
 
Let's be honest with one another. The original post was in no way, me trying to start an argument, nor was I looking to be trolled over a genuine "WTF" look at this forecast. I was actually, being nice, introducing myself and letting everyone know that I would share my theologies if interested.

As for Data driven...... maybe you misinterpreted what I meant by "Data Driven". It simply means that it is driven by data..... of which is acquired from other countries and jurisdictions, when said data becomes available(according to the site).

Just because "you don't see" a scenario in which 2/3rd of the population expires, doesn't mean its implausible. If the Jews would have seen that Hitler was going to extinguish 2/3rds of the European Jewish population during WW2, then perhaps it might not have happen either.

Either way, I digress.... you began your last post with "i see where this is headed", but yet you were the one who initially commented on the thread, right? I didn't reach out and ask for you to comment. I will always defend myself when unwarranted statements are made insinuating I think i'm smarter than others. That never happened. But, ill gladly match sarcasm with sarcasm when needed.
I'll reiterate, I disagree with your conclusions, and the foundations they came from.

That said, I agree with you that some people are being jerks. Sorry about that.
 
That isn't what I asked. I asked what would kill 230 million Americans, and you said the information is there. The information is not there. So what will kill 230 million Americans? Seems that if someone had that kind of information and didn't share it they would be committing a terrible sin.
Hell, that's the million dollar question. There are many ways to come about with a 2/3rds population drop. I mean, 2/3rd or 75% reductions seem to be a going theme. Hitler killed off 2/3rd of the European Jewish population and the Georgia Guidestones say to maintain humanity under 500,000,000 which would put us in the ballpark.

BTW, I also, never once said that the "information as to why the drop in population is on the website". I stated that it was "Data Driven" which means it is based on the data that they retrieve (readily available documentation once it is made available by each country... is what they say) and input into their forecast model. If it speculated or even alluded to the reason for the population drop, then it wouldn't be data driven, but driven by someones convictions of how/what/when that decrease came about. I have my own thoughts on how all this goes and I feel like we're a lot closer to it than folks want to believe. I don't want to see families caught off guard when ID2020, Coronavirus Vaccinations and whatever else is the works lands. I hope I'm dead wrong, but if I am able to help one person wake up, see it different and prepare for their families, then I've done what I could do.
 
I'll reiterate, I disagree with your conclusions, and the foundations they came from.

That said, I agree with you that some people are being jerks. Sorry about that.
I appreciate that, I really do. That shows your true character. I apologize if I worded anything in a way that would have escalated the situation. Sometimes I can be a hot head and my fingers start smashing the keys and ultimately I come out looking like an ass.

I respect your views as well. These are just my convictions and I hope to hell that I'm wrong and in 6 months, I can laugh and tell everyone that 2020 was the year that screwed with my head and left me looking like Doc Brown from Back to the Future.
 
I see where this is headed, and you can count me out of future discussions. If you ever care to reply to the inquiries about the site in the OP I might check back in. I can't see any "data driven" scenario which would reduce the US population by 2/3 while leaving most of the rest of the world unscathed.

I understand and share the frustration you and @ChickenHawk have about the lack of information at the web site, unless I am somehow missing something.

However, there is a lot of public data that could explain the scenario, related to a major grid outage event.

Government publications, industry studies, books of non fiction (Koppel) and fiction (Fortschen) document the extreme impact that a national grid failure would cause (est up to 90% population loss within a year).

Data shows how many coal, nuclear, and natural gas generation stations have been decommissioned in the past decade, reducing the fault tolerance of the grid.

Reports by gov and industry document the risk of major grid outage from cyber attacks, EMP attack, or simply a small group of attackers with hunting rifles damaging transmission transformers.

History (in the US) shows the impact of large solar flares or CMEs on long wires and whatever is connected to them (see Carrington Event).

Data shows that the earth's magnetic field is weakening and it's magnetic poles are moving, which increases our vulnerability to flares and CMEs.

Data shows that solar activity is increasing and will likely continue to increase over the next five years.

So, given the data that's available, I don't see how anyone could NOT think that such a population loss, (just in the US) is possible.

I can also relate to the comments about just wanting to live life and not think about this crap. I probably wouldn't even care 5% as much as I do if I didn't have young kids.

Heck, I probably wouldn't even bother owning guns if I didn't have kids. I like shooting, but it's expensive, causes me back pain, is a chafe to keep up with laws, and will put me in a world of legal, financial and social risk if I ever have to use them for defense, no matter how justified.

But I know if I don't take responsibility for the safety of my loved ones, it would be silly to count on anyone else to do it.

So similarly, I don't think about the end of the world all the time, though it is easy to get wrapped up in prepping since it is such a huge (and unrealistic) goal to be truly self sufficient.

For me, I try to think and do a little every day, while making sure I am also helping with homework, taking walks, going on bike rides and making trips out for ice cream. It's a balance, and it's a challenge for me, and to me that's just life as a dad.

I don't begrudge anyone the option to just say eff it, but it doesn't make sense to me to not acknowledge what risks are reasonably possible, or criticize others who are just more aware and care enough to share the info. I usually keep quiet about this stuff around most folks for the exact reason that they think it's nuts.

But the technical folks I work with in the utility industry? Most of them are dead serious about it.
 
I understand and share the frustration you and @ChickenHawk have about the lack of information at the web site, unless I am somehow missing something.

However, there is a lot of public data that could explain the scenario, related to a major grid outage event.

Government publications, industry studies, books of non fiction (Koppel) and fiction (Fortschen) document the extreme impact that a national grid failure would cause (est up to 90% population loss within a year).

Data shows how many coal, nuclear, and natural gas generation stations have been decommissioned in the past decade, reducing the fault tolerance of the grid.

Reports by gov and industry document the risk of major grid outage from cyber attacks, EMP attack, or simply a small group of attackers with hunting rifles damaging transmission transformers.

History (in the US) shows the impact of large solar flares or CMEs on long wires and whatever is connected to them (see Carrington Event).

Data shows that the earth's magnetic field is weakening and it's magnetic poles are moving, which increases our vulnerability to flares and CMEs.

Data shows that solar activity is increasing and will likely continue to increase over the next five years.

So, given the data that's available, I don't see how anyone could NOT think that such a population loss, (just in the US) is possible.

I can also relate to the comments about just wanting to live life and not think about this crap. I probably wouldn't even care 5% as much as I do if I didn't have young kids.

Heck, I probably wouldn't even bother owning guns if I didn't have kids. I like shooting, but it's expensive, causes me back pain, is a chafe to keep up with laws, and will put me in a world of legal, financial and social risk if I ever have to use them for defense, no matter how justified.

But I know if I don't take responsibility for the safety of my loved ones, it would be silly to count on anyone else to do it.

So similarly, I don't think about the end of the world all the time, though it is easy to get wrapped up in prepping since it is such a huge (and unrealistic) goal to be truly self sufficient.

For me, I try to think and do a little every day, while making sure I am also helping with homework, taking walks, going on bike rides and making trips out for ice cream. It's a balance, and it's a challenge for me, and to me that's just life as a dad.

I don't begrudge anyone the option to just say eff it, but it doesn't make sense to me to not acknowledge what risks are reasonably possible, or criticize others who are just more aware and care enough to share the info. I usually keep quiet about this stuff around most folks for the exact reason that they think it's nuts.

But the technical folks I work with in the utility industry? Most of them are dead serious about it.
I understand that. The problem is he is promoting a website that is "data driven" by public documents, but that same website won't give answers as to their claims. That is just saying the sky is falling without saying why.
 
Hell, that's the million dollar question. There are many ways to come about with a 2/3rds population drop. I mean, 2/3rd or 75% reductions seem to be a going theme. Hitler killed off 2/3rd of the European Jewish population and the Georgia Guidestones say to maintain humanity under 500,000,000 which would put us in the ballpark.

BTW, I also, never once said that the "information as to why the drop in population is on the website". I stated that it was "Data Driven" which means it is based on the data that they retrieve (readily available documentation once it is made available by each country... is what they say) and input into their forecast model. If it speculated or even alluded to the reason for the population drop, then it wouldn't be data driven, but driven by someones convictions of how/what/when that decrease came about. I have my own thoughts on how all this goes and I feel like we're a lot closer to it than folks want to believe. I don't want to see families caught off guard when ID2020, Coronavirus Vaccinations and whatever else is the works lands. I hope I'm dead wrong, but if I am able to help one person wake up, see it different and prepare for their families, then I've done what I could do.
You can't give a conclusion without saying what is going to happen and call a website data driven. There is no data, just wild speculation. Im not saying it can't happen, but we have enough people screaming about the sky falling and they don't even have websites.
 
So what we are debating here are a bunch of WAGs on some website based upon data that as far as we know is largely unsubstantiated? Did I get that right, or did I miss something?
 
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I understand that. The problem is he is promoting a website that is "data driven" by public documents, but that same website won't give answers as to their claims. That is just saying the sky is falling without saying why.
Hey, I agree when it comes to websites generating figures using data that is less than clear on its sources. I disagree on the term "data driven" having to have a conclusion based off of the data provided. Hell, you could have solid data and then the person could say it was due to a race of Terminator type Chuck Norris androids who couldn't take watching grown men wear this....... 82424429_3486734758065402_194315165263462400_o.jpg 82204810_3486735244732020_8097353198072758272_o.jpg 82056206_3486736434731901_2131653811591184384_o.jpg
 
So what we are debating here are a bunch of WAGs on some website based upon data that as far as we know is largely unsubstantiated? Did I get that right, or did I miss something?
Of course, isn't that what we're always debating? Whether it be WAGs on a Website that has been around, publishing this type of data since 2010 or CNN and the data spewed forth by that champion of the free press Brian Stelter (sarcasm should be noted here), either way were debating 2nd/3rd hand information that we can only assume has some semblance of factual data.
 
Hey, I agree when it comes to websites generating figures using data that is less than clear on its sources. I disagree on the term "data driven" having to have a conclusion based off of the data provided. Hell, you could have solid data and then the person could say it was due to a race of Terminator type Chuck Norris androids who couldn't take watching grown men wear this....... View attachment 245527 View attachment 245528 View attachment 245529
You don't understand what I'm saying. There is no data. There are simply before and after figures. I could make up some random population, GDP, defense budget, etc. figures myself for 2025, say that they are based on data, and apparently you will give me the same amount of credit.
 
You don't understand what I'm saying. There is no data. There are simply before and after figures. I could make up some random population, GDP, defense budget, etc. figures myself for 2025, say that they are based on data, and apparently you will give me the same amount of credit.

No, I completely understand what you're saying. I get your point and can concede to the anonymity, but I am more apt to believe an under the radar website that has been around for 10 years with very intricate data in regards to aerospace and defense, than I would the information being programmed into folks through mainstream media. I'm sure you don't discount every news story you hear and I'd suffice to say that you haven't always confirmed their sources. Either way, you're entitled to your opinion.
 
No, I completely understand what you're saying. I get your point and can concede to the anonymity, but I am more apt to believe an under the radar website that has been around for 10 years with very intricate data in regards to aerospace and defense, than I would the information being programmed into folks through mainstream media. I'm sure you don't discount every news story you hear and I'd suffice to say that you haven't always confirmed their sources. Either way, you're entitled to your opinion.
I look at more than one source and come to a conclusion. The thing you're missing is the story part. There is no story to the numbers we are talking about, and that in itself is the problem. With no story the numbers mean nothing at all.
 
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To be clear..."data driven" means absolutely nothing unless the data can be cited, sourced, backed up, cross checked, and verified.

What I am basically seeing is "We all gonna die." "Says who?" "The data!" "What data?" "The data they have." "What data do they have?" "The data driven on that site."

Is it possible? Yes, and technically it is also possible that I win the lottery five times in row while being bitten by a shark and struck by lightening.
 
To be clear..."data driven" means absolutely nothing unless the data can be cited, sourced, backed up, cross checked, and verified.

What I am basically seeing is "We all gonna die." "Says who?" "The data!" "What data?" "The data they have." "What data do they have?" "The data driven on that site."

Is it possible? Yes, and technically it is also possible that I win the lottery five times in row while being bitten by a shark and struck by lightening.
And you’ll be needing that lottery money after you get bitten by lightning and struck by that shark.

It’s what the data says, anyway.
 
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And you’ll be needing that lottery money after you get bitten by lightning and struck by that shark.

It’s what the data says, anyway.

Or...I could just write up a story about the day I was bitten by a lightening shark, sell it to the media, and when they ask for sources just say "its anonymous" and never have to actually provide medical records, photos, or eye witness testimony.
 
To be clear..."data driven" means absolutely nothing unless the data can be cited, sourced, backed up, cross checked, and verified.

What I am basically seeing is "We all gonna die." "Says who?" "The data!" "What data?" "The data they have." "What data do they have?" "The data driven on that site."

Is it possible? Yes, and technically it is also possible that I win the lottery five times in row while being bitten by a shark and struck by lightening.

Yes, perspective is key. All talk of grid down being what it is (worst case scenario), on any given day the biggest risk to my life is the drive to the job site.

Well, either that or my wife finally deciding to swat me herself because I bought two more bags of rice instead of getting take out :).
 
Yes, perspective is key. All talk of grid down being what it is (worst case scenario), on any given day the biggest risk to my life is the drive to the job site.

Well, either that or my wife finally deciding to swat me herself because I bought two more bags of rice instead of getting take out :).

To be clear...if we are ever hanging out and we decide to have chinese take out for dinner and you come walking back in with two bags of white rice we throwing hands.
 
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