Shooting over dove hunting

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The victim is a relative of one of my best friends. According to what I've heard the shooter lives adjacent to a long time dove field, and got into an argument with the victim. There were roughly 8 people that witnessed the shooting, including the victims son. All hunters had written permission from the farmer that owns the land.

https://statesville.com/news/victim...ddf8d54.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1
 
Apparently the shooter didn't want them hunting as he was afraid it would disturb his horse. The victim offered not to shoot any dove until he rounded up his horse. That wasn't good enough I guess and they got in a shoving match. The shooter pulled out a gun and the victim ran away, got popped in the head from behind.
 
Sorry for your loss. Seems like a senseless move on behalf of the shooter and I hate the victims son was there to witness that.
 
That’s messed up on so many levels. Sorry for your loss. Prayers for the family and friends.
 
Yeah, I know the family too, its crazy. Sad and un-needed. Said they were "scaring his livestock".
 
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So the shooter was one of the calls in to 911. That’s nuts. Does the dude feel justified in his action?! Prayers for the family for sure!
 
Don’t know the whole story but it’s extremely hard to say you feared for your life when you shoot someone in the back of the head.
 
cchioda3 said:
So the shooter was one of the calls in to 911. That’s nuts. Does the dude feel justified in his action?! Prayers for the family for sure!
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I think the shooter is going to go away. The interesting thing is that he is a former corrections officer. It is going to be hard for him to argue self defense since he was first to use deadly force by pulling the gun plus shot the victim in the back of the head. Only possible defense is disparity of force, the other hunters and he might claim the victim was going for his shotgun. Stupidity.
 
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cchioda3 said:
So the shooter was one of the calls in to 911. That’s nuts. Does the dude feel justified in his action?! Prayers for the family for sure!
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From what I heard, everyone was in complete shock when it happened and they all stood there in disbelief for a bit. The shooter went to his truck, but it wouldn't start, so he got out and wiggled the battery cables to get it to crank, and drove away. The victims friends were on the phone with 911 trying to get him help, and operator advised not to engage the shooter. I also heard that the victims son was pulling in to hunt as the shooter was leaving, so they passed each other on the driveway. Not sure if the victim had multiple sons or not.
 
amnesia said:
Don’t know the whole story but it’s extremely hard to say you feared for your life when you shoot someone in the back of the head.
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That's my thought as well. I am only getting the victims side of the story, so take it for what it is. Apparently the shooter was a hot head and had been getting irate with people often. He was asked to leave several local business in the past few months.
 
Sad that a lot of lives got forever changed due to someone being a hot head. I’ve had a few people confront me about noise while dove hunting. Stay in your cul-de-sacs if shooting bothers you.
 
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I was about 3 miles north of Union Grove on Monday morning hunting dove when this happened. My phone blew up with other members of my hunt club texting to make sure I wasn't involved since they knew I'd be in that area. Thank God I wasn't involved.
 
ENTERKO said:
The victim is a relative of one of my best friends. According to what I've heard the shooter lives adjacent to a long time dove field, and got into an argument with the victim. There were roughly 8 people that witnessed the shooting, including the victims son. All hunters had written permission from the farmer that owns the land.

https://statesville.com/news/victim...ddf8d54.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1
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I can TOTALLY understand this! It is one of the reasons I don't like to dove hunt in big paid fields anymore. I was 17 and walking thru a field and a wild dove came screaming thru, having been shot at by everyone in the field. About 30 yards from us, he dove and then flew along about 8 feet off the ground. These drunk guys tracked him and I found myself looking down the barrel of a 12 gauge about 40 yards away. I screamed "GET DOWN" and literally tackled my buddy to the ground about the time of the shotgun report. I heard a "ping" off my barrel. I have seldom been so pissed in my life. We walked over to them and they were surly, sneering and had actually mocked me yelling. I was not a cool headed guy in situations like that and there doubtless would have been a fight...... fights with alcohol and guns can get sideways in a hurry, so I thought "I don't want to kill this s.o.b. over this" (ok, maybe not wanting to die myself played into it too). I just turned away and walked off. Over the years, I have seen so much irresponsibility and stupid stuff that I just don't want to have to deal with it.

If I stay here in this area, I may buy/lease a field so I can control who comes on it.

I dont' dove hunt much any more, but if I do, I only want it to be with people I know. I know I am an old fart now, nostalgically dreaming of "the good ole days" but I swear there are just too many idiots out there hunting.
 
blewis3 said:
I think the shooter is going to go away. The interesting thing is that he is a former corrections officer. It is going to be hard for him to argue self defense since he was first to use deadly force by pulling the gun plus shot the victim in the back of the head. Only possible defense is disparity of force, the other hunters and he might claim the victim was going for his shotgun. Stupidity.
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Agree. It seems it will be hard for the shooter to claim any sort of defense.
 
ENTERKO said:
From what I heard, everyone was in complete shock when it happened and they all stood there in disbelief for a bit. The shooter went to his truck, but it wouldn't start, so he got out and wiggled the battery cables to get it to crank, and drove away. The victims friends were on the phone with 911 trying to get him help, and operator advised not to engage the shooter. I also heard that the victims son was pulling in to hunt as the shooter was leaving, so they passed each other on the driveway. Not sure if the victim had multiple sons or not.
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Wow. To be the son and have passed him unknowing of what just happened. Don’t ever want to be in that position.
 
charliesgrave said:
Anyone know what the deal is with the SBI? Some people in the community are pretty PO'ed there have been no formal charges yet.
Does the SBI try to ensure a slam dunk case before they put up charges?
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The SBI always takes their time. I wouldn't be surprised if it was months from date of offense.
 
When pride gets in front of reasoning stupid happens.

Friends own horses, shoot around them all the time and have no problems when others do. I figure the people that have problems with their livestock are a little short on brain matter to figure out that noise is a part of life and do nothing to acclimate the animal to their environment.
 
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ENTERKO said:
The victim is a relative of one of my best friends. According to what I've heard the shooter lives adjacent to a long time dove field, and got into an argument with the victim. There were roughly 8 people that witnessed the shooting, including the victims son. All hunters had written permission from the farmer that owns the land.

https://statesville.com/news/victim...ddf8d54.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1
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Couldn't read this article because of some stupid survey I'm not taking.
 
I don't think I can get so mad or embarrassed in a FTF encounter to shoot someone in the back of the head. Or anywhere, for that matter.

As for me, the stoney lonesome is a great deterrent.
 
kcult said:
I don't think I can get so mad or embarrassed in a FTF encounter to shoot someone in the back of the head. Or anywhere, for that matter.

As for me, the stoney lonesome is a great deterrent.
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Makes you wonder what the shootee said or did to get the shooter to shoot.
 
Tailhunter said:
Makes you wonder what the shootee said or did to get the shooter to shoot.
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Tommy (victim) was a straight shooter, and a pretty tough dude from what I remember. According to what I've heard about the situation, the shooter came out telling all of the hunters that they couldn't hunt due to his horse. Keep in mind the shooter didn't own the land that was being hunted, and all of the hunters had written permission from the actual land owner. The hunters all laid their shotguns down and walked up to the shooter to get an understanding of what this guy was trying to say. Since Tommy was the one who organized the hunt, he did most of the talking to the shooter. All of the hunters were unarmed. The hunters offered to give the shooter time to put his horse up, but also made it clear that the were going to hunt that day. That's pretty much all that I know.
 
charliesgrave said:
I know the shooter, but not well. He's come to a bunch of auctions we've done and I believe he was getting ready to open an antique store in the area.

Whole thing is senseless and awful.
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I know you said that you don't know him well, but I guess I'm a little curious about the shooter. Was he a reasonable type guy? People have told me that he has a reputation of being a hot head, but that's coming from Tommy's family/friends. What's your take?
 
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