Another one gone...a LEO's AR that is

Lol so you have to have a safe to be a responsible gun owner.

Any law enforcement office should be required to have a weapons safe, to be able to take a duty weapon home. Remember that most police think they are better than the average Joe, we the citizens should hold them to higher standards.

In my personnel views, I think if you have firearms at home, you should have a safe to store them in.
 
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Any law enforcement office should be required to have a weapons safe, to be able to take a duty weapon home. Remember that most police think they are better than the average Joe, we the citizens should hold them to higher standards.

In my personnel views, I think if you have firearms at home, you should have a safe to store them in.

I've personally met very few officers that think they are better than others. So are you as a tax payer prepared to issue safes to every officer?
 
I've personally met very few officers that think they are better than others. So are you as a tax payer prepared to issue safes to every officer?

No, the tax payer should not be on hook. They can expense it on there tax return like regular people.
 
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No, the tax payer should not be on hook. They can expense it on there tax return like regular people.
Let us not forget that a lot of law enforcement officers use that weapon as a tool just as a carpenter uses a hammer. They learn weapon safety in BLET class. Just because you are wearing a badge and carrying a gun doesn't make you a gun guy, that's their job.

This conversation appears to have strayed away from the fact that some loser thought it was ok to break into a police car. Criminals will be criminals no matter what. I am willing to bet that thousands of officers leave their long guns secured in their car in accordance with departmental policy. That doesn't make them morons.

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Let us not forget that a lot of law enforcement officers use that weapon as a tool just as a carpenter uses a hammer. They learn weapon safety in BLET class. Just because you are wearing a badge and carrying a gun doesn't make you a gun guy, that's their job.

This conversation appears to have strayed away from the fact that some loser thought it was ok to break into a police car. Criminals will be criminals no matter what. I am willing to bet that thousands of officers leave their long guns secured in their car in accordance with departmental policy. That doesn't make them morons.

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This thread started out trying to fault the cops and excuse the criminals.
 
This thread started out trying to fault the cops and excuse the criminals.

Where did anyone excuse or condone the actions of the thief?

At most, this thread started out trying to say the police should follow their own advice:

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I know, I know....his car was locked.

It's the "Secure Valuables" part that people are saying he should have done, and "in the trunk" maybe isn't really secure when we're talking about Firearms.
 
This thread started out trying to fault the cops and excuse the criminals.

The criminal is totally at fault, but like other have pointed out, just leaving a firearm in a locked vehicle is not secured. We all know how easy it is break into a vehicle. This has been an on going problem, we have had the FBI HRT team vehicles broken into and automatic weapons stolen. But there is still no move on the part of law enforcement to try and make weapons storage in vehicles more secure.
 
The easiest and best solution is also the one that saves the taxpayer money: no gun vaults, not specially equipped this or that, no replacement at taxpayer expense.

If it's too much of a hassle to secure long guns at your home, then keep 'em secured at work. If the responsibility of keeping the public arms is too great, let us relieve America's finest of the terrible burden it represents.

The company car stays secured and locked on the company Property unless you're working on company time.

Take your personal vehicle with your personal gas that was paid for with your personal money to and from work just like everyone else.

Now you don't need a garage, you don't need a gun vault, or any other expensive goodies paid out of others' paychecks or the cash pilfered during civil forfeiture.

I mean, it's just a job, right?

I cannot like this post enough
 
Let us not forget that a lot of law enforcement officers use that weapon as a tool just as a carpenter uses a hammer. They learn weapon safety in BLET class. Just because you are wearing a badge and carrying a gun doesn't make you a gun guy, that's their job.

This conversation appears to have strayed away from the fact that some loser thought it was ok to break into a police car. Criminals will be criminals no matter what. I am willing to bet that thousands of officers leave their long guns secured in their car in accordance with departmental policy. That doesn't make them morons.

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What's the old saying? Why'd they rob a bank? Cuz that's where the money is.

If people are brazen enough to break into a police car because they KNOW they'll find a gun in there, then it's time for LEOs to reevaluate just how "secure" they think their vehicles are. Just because department policy allows it doesn't mean department policy is the end-all-be-all for best practices.
 
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Man, the irony in this statement right here.....

.......for what it's worth, I agree with this part of your post.
 
Man, the irony in this statement right here.....

.......for what it's worth, I agree with this part of your post.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

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You laugh about it; I see it as the main cause of the degrading relationship between law enforcement and the communities they claim to serve.
 
You laugh about it; I see it as the main cause of the degrading relationship between law enforcement and the communities they claim to serve.
Myself and most others I know have a perfectly fine relationship with law enforcement.

The degradation of the relationship is happening because we are now experiencing a generation of people who choose not to listen to law enforcement or anyone else for that matter. It's a systematic disrespect for all forms of authority.

My rebellious son once told me he didnt have to listen to the police and that he would fight them. I promptly told him I would be 100 percent certain to alert everyone at his funeral and all the news media that if he was shot and killed it would be his fault for being a dumbass.

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Myself and most others I know have a perfectly fine relationship with law enforcement.

The degradation of the relationship is happening because we are now experiencing a generation of people who choose not to listen to law enforcement or anyone else for that matter. It's a systematic disrespect for all forms of authority.

My rebellious son once told me he didnt have to listen to the police and that he would fight them. I promptly told him I would be 100 percent certain to alert everyone at his funeral and all the news media that if he was shot and killed it would be his fault for being a dumbass.

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I hear ya.... #defenderofthethinredline

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Myself and most others I know have a perfectly fine relationship with law enforcement.

The degradation of the relationship is happening because we are now experiencing a generation of people who choose not to listen to law enforcement or anyone else for that matter. It's a systematic disrespect for all forms of authority.


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Choose not to listen to law enforcement? So we have to hop to, toe the line, and do what we're told, regardless of what they're saying? Regardless of those little things called "rights"?

Respect is a two way street, and it is also earned, not given.
 
...and there's a pretty good chance that if someone gets pulled over, they did something they weren't supposed to (read: disrespecting the law) and since driving is a privilege, yeah- comply, or deal with harsh consequences.

Don't get me wrong, I know there are a-hole cops everywhere, but I know there are a lot more good guys in blue than bad. If you want to be that toolbag who will only roll the window down 1" and want to play CopBlock games, I hope your ass gets justifiably tazed. (Not you directly, @11B CIB but people in general.)

Not every encounter with the law is derived from a traffic stop but it's probably the largest percentage I'll give you that. The worst encounter I've ever had I did absolutely nothing wrong. It was a Sunday morning in a tiny town just west of downtown Columbia and a cop was fishing. I was the only car on the road, so I got snagged. I did everything I was supposed to, notified of my pistol, etc etc...next thing I know, I'm on the hood of my car, the cop has my gun, unloaded my magazines (wtf, right) and is running the serial number while I'm laying on the hot hood of my black car in the summer. I'd pulled up next to the cop at the stop light, and when the light turned green, I went. I was told I "accelerated too quickly"...as in I launched my car on green like I was drag racing. LOL ok. That experience has affected my behavior toward every other cop/traffic stop I'll EVER be involved with.

I didn't even get a warning, btw.
 
What's the old saying? Why'd they rob a bank? Cuz that's where the money is.

If people are brazen enough to break into a police car because they KNOW they'll find a gun in there, then it's time for LEOs to reevaluate just how "secure" they think their vehicles are. Just because department policy allows it doesn't mean department policy is the end-all-be-all for best practices.
By this logic anyone who puts their money in a bank is to blame when it gets robbed because criminals know where it is.
 
By this logic anyone who puts their money in a bank is to blame when it gets robbed because criminals know where it is.

Let me know how many people get shot by a brick of cash after the next bank robbery.
 
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Choose not to listen to law enforcement? So we have to hop to, toe the line, and do what we're told, regardless of what they're saying? Regardless of those little things called "rights"?

Respect is a two way street, and it is also earned, not given.

So you shouldn't have to follow the law because laws are oppressive and enforcers are tyrants? It couldn't be that they are doing the job we pay them to do though.

Respect is earned... I demand respect first dammit.
 
So you shouldn't have to follow the law because laws are oppressive and enforcers are tyrants? It couldn't be that they are doing the job we pay them to do though.

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I meant blindly following everything they say, without question. Remember the video recently of the cops saying "You can't record us, there's a new law". Just because they say it doesn't mean it's true.
 
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Not every encounter with the law is derived from a traffic stop but it's probably the largest percentage I'll give you that. The worst encounter I've ever had I did absolutely nothing wrong. It was a Sunday morning in a tiny town just west of downtown Columbia and a cop was fishing. I was the only car on the road, so I got snagged. I did everything I was supposed to, notified of my pistol, etc etc...next thing I know, I'm on the hood of my car, the cop has my gun, unloaded my magazines (wtf, right) and is running the serial number while I'm laying on the hot hood of my black car in the summer. I'd pulled up next to the cop at the stop light, and when the light turned green, I went. I was told I "accelerated too quickly"...as in I launched my car on green like I was drag racing. LOL ok. That experience has affected my behavior toward every other cop/traffic stop I'll EVER be involved with.

I didn't even get a warning, btw.

Dang man... That's no good. What did he ticket you for after all that nonsense?
 
I have accidentally left a pistol in my car on several occasions overnight. It is a result of continually having to take it on and off my body because people and state laws have this odd idea that if you invite the public into your establishment, you are still operating under the same private property laws as my home and 2nd amendments don't trump that.
 
I meant blindly following everything they say, without question. Remember the video recently of the cops saying "You can't record us, there's a new law". Just because they say it doesn't mean it's true.

The best part of that incident was the sheriff deputy that backed up the bogus story and he was not punished or called out. There are far more bad cops then people want to believe there are, all this shit about bad cops is coming to light, because everybody has a video camera and it's getting reported.
 
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How often do people report good cops?
Hardly ever. All the snowflakes in the world we live in have determined that every cop is bad and out to get them or oppress them.

I always thank the officer for his service anytime I have any type of interaction good or bad.

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I agree with those that are of the mind that it's a bad idea to leave any firearm in a car overnight. I leave a g19, secured in a lockbox tethered to a cable under my passenger seat, in my car each day because I can't carry at work, but that g19 comes in with me when I get home from work.

What's more interesting to me is that this happened right down the road from where my in-laws live. Their garage/business/cars have been broken into numerous times over the past few years as well. Rocky Mount/that area of Nash Co. ain't what it used to be...
 
I assume from some of these comments that some people think an officer's duty vehicle should be completely emptied at the end of each shift. Not only guns, but radios, computers, etc. That's just plain dumb. I do think, like others have suggested, that the vehicles should be equipped with vaults or locking racks. Generally, a locked vehicle on one's personal property would be considered secure by any stretch of the term.
 
I don't consider my locked vehicle in my driveway secure. I wouldn't leave a gun or laptop or anything I valued in my locked car in my driveway. I would take it inside my house. Now, if it was city property, I wouldn't be as concerned about any electronics but would still take any weapons into the house.
 
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I assume from some of these comments that some people think an officer's duty vehicle should be completely emptied at the end of each shift. Not only guns, but radios, computers, etc. That's just plain dumb. I do think, like others have suggested, that the vehicles should be equipped with vaults or locking racks. Generally, a locked vehicle on one's personal property would be considered secure by any stretch of the term.

This...all police vehicles should be equipped with vaults for all the firearms that are stored in the vehicle, and no firearms should be stored in the vehicle while the officer is off duty.
 
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