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I scanned through 10 pages, and couldn't find an established thread on this, so lemme start one.

When I read about the lethality of this round a year or two ago, and saw also that the FN Five-Seven can carry 20 rounds, I thought, "man, that's some stopping power." But, my second thought was, "wonder if/when they'll scale it down to where it makes sense for (concealed) EDC for women-folk.

Full disclosure: I like my .45, and rarely go anywhere that I can't carry openly. Someone else I know, on the other hand, thinks my .380s suit her pretty well...usually. I'm curious if anyone out there knows of whether FN (or anyone else, if the 5.7x28 isn't proprietary?) has considered scaling down the pistol.

Or, am I the only one who sees the beauty in this idea?
 
What did you read about the lethality of the round? I am curious.

I'll stick with my gold-dot/HST's in 9mm. Easier to find, cheaper, lots of handguns to run it in.
 
Climberman said:
What did you read about the lethality of the round? I am curious.

I'll stick with my gold-dot/HST's in 9mm. Easier to find, cheaper, lots of handguns to run it in.
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A couple of things...originally a post over at either Western Rifle Shooters, or Herschel Smiths. Notably, that scumbag Major Hassan did a LOT of damage with a Five-Seven at Ft Hood.

I'll see if I can track down a link.
 
Climberman said:
What did you read about the lethality of the round? I am curious.

I'll stick with my gold-dot/HST's in 9mm. Easier to find, cheaper, lots of handguns to run it in.
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Ive read that it is an off center of mass round that tends to tumble after penetration which has the double duty of creating a larger wound channel while simultaneously reducing the risk of exiting the target.

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Yes, but can yer missus?
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Don't know. She doesn't like to carry that way. My point was, and I've read other statements to this effect that a full size gun isn't really less comfortable to carry or more difficult to conceal.
 
I see the FN 5.7 as a more expensive alternative to the .22 magnum, with only minimal gains in performance. For self defense, I'd much prefer something that punched a bigger hole.

I'm not sure why the FN 5.7 has the following that it does.
 
noway2 said:
She doesn't like to carry that way. My point was, and I've read other statements to this effect that a full size gun isn't really less comfortable to carry or more difficult to conceal.
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Yes, as they say, your mileage may vary. I'm talking about carrying a weapon that is lighter and more concealable (both hypothetically) than the 5.7 in its current chassis, or your 9mm or my 1911.

And yes, to @RedneckFur it's way expensive. But, we're not talking about the cost of plinking...but the value of defending life.

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noway2 said:
She doesn't like to carry that way.
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What she "likes" and what is really, really necessary, might be two different things.
 
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I was intrigued. bought it, shot it, sold it.

just didn't bring that much over a G17 or my S&W 5943 w a mecgar 17 rd mag.

expensive to practice w

over penetration could be an issue I think
 
RedneckFur said:
I see the FN 5.7 as a more expensive alternative to the .22 magnum, with only minimal gains in performance. For self defense, I'd much prefer something that punched a bigger hole.

I'm not sure why the FN 5.7 has the following that it does.
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Wasn't there armor piercing ammo available for it? Plus a fairly high capacity mag? Seems like it could be an excellent anti-bad guy gun. Although big holes are cool too.
 
Have you considered a keltec pmr30?
 
I'd buy one if the guns weren't > $1000 and I could reload it without blowing my hands off. Until then, I'll stick with my 9s.
 
CZfool68 said:
Wasn't there armor piercing ammo available for it? Plus a fairly high capacity mag? Seems like it could be an excellent anti-bad guy gun. Although big holes are cool too.
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Yes, technically since the PS90 came out first, AP ammo is technically available for purchase, but hard to find since a lot of vendors restrict it. It's technically not legal in the pistol. Just saying....

There is a lead free, lighter weight hallow point round, classified as LE sale only, but a lot of vendors will sell it as it's just a manufacturer classification that from what I've seen will almost go through class 3A soft armor, as in down to the last layer.

Personally, I find the idea that extra lethal ammo is available to the cops but not the people to be a very disturbing idea.
 
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amnesia said:
Have you considered a keltec pmr30?
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That's kinda the exact opposite of what I'm asking.

While I very much appreciate all the feedback, and welcome discussions about calibers and brands and so on, nobody has yet addressed the question(s) originally asked. It's my fault for phrasing it so poorly, so I'll try to do better...

The weapon in question does not yet (far as I know) exist. I'm imagining something that shoots this particular ammo, but smaller than the full-size FN Five-Seven, preferably as compact as say, a Walther PPK or smaller. The capacity would necessarily scale down also: 6+1 (as opposed to the current 20rd for the full size) would be just fine I think.

Re-phrasing again...Does FN make a compact version of its Five-Seven, and if not, why the heck not? I'm pretty sure the answer is NO.
Is the 5.7x28 bullet somehow proprietary to FN? I should think not.
If the 5.7x28 bullet is not proprietary to FN, and if you're in "the know", are there any other handgun manufacturers developing my little pipe dream project? And again, if not, why the heck not?
Assuming you accept my premise regarding the lethality of this bullet (it's okay if you don't...just go re-read the data Herschel quoted, linked above), am I the only one who thinks this is a profoundly excellent concept?

Thankeeverymuch.
 
I think the reason they don't do anything smaller is barrel length. The pistol is already underpowered from it's rifle/sbr big brother, since all the damage comes from the velocity. Doing a pistol in this caliber with an even shorter barrel makes little sense.

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I don't think the 5.7x28 is entirely proprietary anymore in that Federal (?) makes the AE brand of it now, but I'm not certain if it's under a special license. It may be because I know that when it was only FN ammo, that there were severe shortages that seem to have been rectified.
 
If you want better than 5.7 performance in a pistol with a cheaper price, look at the .22 TCM. Faster, cheaper, dependable, cheaper ammo, 1911 frame. What more could you want!?
 
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RedneckFur said:
I see the FN 5.7 as a more expensive alternative to the .22 magnum, with only minimal gains in performance. For self defense, I'd much prefer something that punched a bigger hole.

I'm not sure why the FN 5.7 has the following that it does.
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The 5.7 seems to have 2-3 times the energy as a .22wmr out of a pistol, no? Wouldn't call that a minimal gain!
 
I think the minimal gains are when you are talking rifle vs rifle. The 5.7 picks up way more velocity out of the short barrel pistol vs he 22 mag

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I just know I want one...either the current Five-seveN pistol, or a compact version. Bought the dies today, and already have a PS90 and AR57, so it just makes sense.

My problem is it's a complete novelty, so I want to spend about 50% of the current asking price...which means I most likely won't be getting one anytime soon. o_O
 
NKD said:
This is actually pretty close to what OP is looking at. Downside is the compact ones don't seem to have hi capacity.

http://armscor.com/firearms/tcm-series/rock-ultra-cs-l1/
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That is a handsome handgun, indeed. I'll have to try and get hands on with one this weekend.

I couldn't find any side x side ballistic charts, but I did find this:


Bet the lethality ramps up with the fragmentation factor, though.
 
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I like the FN 5-7 . I had the pleasure of shooting a friend of mines for about a month. My daughter even liked shooting it and that's amazing. It is just so easy to shoot and keep on target. His is a gen 1 version of the pistol. I would love to have one of these with a RMR ,but it's more than I can spend and stay at home.

Don't know anything about the 22tcm ,I'm sure it is great.
 
Have one as well as the PS-90. Love them.. Like the idea of having that firepower in lightweight handgun and long gun with high cap mags, and I can carry 500 rounds on me at about the same weight as 150 9mm. Both nicely equipped with quality red dot sights. I'm good to go. I've even heard that there is SS190 ammo out there as well.
 
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