Teen sons were in an auto accident on Wed night

I guess I need to edit the OP. She didn't run a stoplight, she ran a stop sign at a side road into the 4 lane highway, and he was in the left. So she rolled 30ft past oncoming traffic into his left lane.

I think @concepthomes influenced Cam to be a LLB with his cruise set on 60 :p

Thanks and Praise God he hit the brakes just a bit.
 
Just now saw this. Yes, that would be a total nightmare to get that kind of call. I'm glad your sons were not injured and I hope the young lady is okay as well.
 
Glad everyone is ok. I have 14-1/2 year old twins that are ready to take drivers ed. We've been dreading but also looking forward to this day for awhile. I'll definitely look into the class you mentioned at the speedway.
 
Glad everyone is ok.........dat shnit aint no joke. Priorities get real quick.....sometimes life hits you hard with a reality check.

Ten fingers, ten toes......
Sun up, sun down.....
Thank you Lord for letting me hang around!
 
Wow that is some scary stuff! Glad your boys are ok and the girl too. My daughter just turned 15 and is closing in on getting her permit. Do you think getting her a tank would be overkill ?
 
drypowder said:
Wow. Glad to hear things aren't nearly as bad as they could have been.

I look forward to autonomous vehicles, which would really reduce the likelihood of this kind of accident.
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Nope. But it would make it far easier to eliminate political enemies.
You don't real want the government controlling the cars. That is what 'autonomous ' would be in practice.

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CZfool68 said:
IMO 16 is too young. These kids don't have the maturity or experience.
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It's not the age, it's the time behind the wheel. Most teenagers don't get enough time driving under supervision and most parents don't spend enough time talking to their kids about how to drive and how to predict other problem dirvers.
 
Carolinatlc said:
Glad everyone is ok. I have 14-1/2 year old twins that are ready to take drivers ed. We've been dreading but also looking forward to this day for awhile. I'll definitely look into the class you mentioned at the speedway.
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worth every cent and many times more. I wish it would be integrated into the NC drivers ed curriculum and insurance companies paid for it.
 
Amps 13 said:
Wow that is some scary stuff! Glad your boys are ok and the girl too. My daughter just turned 15 and is closing in on getting her permit. Do you think getting her a tank would be overkill ?
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honestly the main reason I put my daughter in the Suburban is because it was the only spare vehicle we had. She ended up with an 05 Accord EX and she likes that 30MPG much better than 14 ;)
SInce I was paying for her fuel mostly before she got her good job, I like it alot more as well. And she pays for maintenance and insurance now because she realizes what a deal she has at home !

The problem with a tank is now the liability is higher on some 'urban assault vehicles' because of the damage they inflict on others. The Accords were dirt cheap to insure before we added my 2nd teen driver.
 
GoWolfpack said:
It's not the age, it's the time behind the wheel. Most teenagers don't get enough time driving under supervision and most parents don't spend enough time talking to their kids about how to drive and how to predict other problem dirvers.
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Amen. I tried to explain what I was doing when I was driving when my kids showed interest. We spent time with them in parking lots, letting them drive in empty cul de sacs, even before drivers ed.

The one great thing that has came out of this experience is that both boys see how fast a collision can occur, and that you can be doing everything right and still get hit.

Cameron drove today on the interstate with us, and he doesn't seem to be affected too much from totalling a car 2 days ago. Of course it helps that we were car shopping :D
 
fishgutzy said:
You don't real want the government controlling the cars. That is what 'autonomous ' would be in practice.
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Honestly, I'm torn on that one. I don't see how it could be much worse than the multitude of impaired idiots who are too busy yacking at their little handheld box or thumbing it which is worse and doinga whole host of other things they shouldn't and flying like a bat out of hell weaving in and out of the lanes.
 
noway2 said:
Honestly, I'm torn on that one. I don't see how it could be much worse than the multitude of impaired idiots who are too busy yacking at their little handheld box or thumbing it which is worse and doinga whole host of other things they shouldn't and flying like a bat out of hell weaving in and out of the lanes.
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Liberty can be messy. I prefer that to having the government control all modes of transportation.

Added note: That is the same argument made by the gun control crowd.

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Glad to hear they're OK. Prime example of: it doesn't matter how good of a driver you are, the most dangerous thing on the road is unpredictability of other cars.
 
SPST said:
Drive a car with the same mindset that you use riding a motorcycle, that is, drive like everyone else is trying to kill you.
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I do that already, because they are! :)
No, I'm not paranoid. :rolleyes:
But just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. :eek:
It used to be the black helicopters flying over, then the drones that could get below the tree tops,
Now they've got two disguised as red-tailed hawks sitting in the trees out front and back watching me. o_O
 
SPST said:
Drive a car with the same mindset that you use riding a motorcycle, that is, drive like everyone else is trying to kill you.
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I work in Gaffney. Traffic laws here are taken as a suggestion. A couple of weeks ago there was power outage. All the traffic lights were out on the side of town that I normally travel going home. To reduce the chances of being hit, I took a long way home just so i could have the traffic signals working.

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fishgutzy said:
Liberty can be messy. I prefer that to having the government control all modes of transportation.

Added note: That is the same argument made by the gun control crowd.
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Whoa. That's quite the jump from self-driving vehicles to government control of said vehicles or making self-driving vehicles mandatory.

Autonomous cars are the future because they are safer, will be cheaper to insure (the liability portion), and because they save users a LOT of time that would otherwise be spent focusing on the mundane task of driving. In other words, consumers will flock to them because they offer a lot of benefits over 'dumb' cars, not because government is forcing consumers into them.
 
drypowder said:
Whoa. That's quite the jump from self-driving vehicles to government control of said vehicles or making self-driving vehicles mandatory.

Autonomous cars are the future because they are safer, will be cheaper to insure (the liability portion), and because they save users a LOT of time that would otherwise be spent focusing on the mundane task of driving. In other words, consumers will flock to them because they offer a lot of benefits over 'dumb' cars, not because government is forcing consumers into them.
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They will not be safer unless every vehicle in the road is autonomous. And then autonomous man's government controlled. Vehicles will have to be controllable by government, not truly autonomous.
An autonomous vehicle would not have avoided the crash the OP's son was in because the human in the Cooper did not act as they were supposed to.

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fishgutzy said:
They will not be safer unless every vehicle in the road is autonomous.
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This is completely false.

Even today where only a fraction of 1% of vehicles are self-driving, those cars are safer than human driven cars. While an autonomous vehicle cannot avoid all collisions, they can certainly reduce the severity of unavoidable collisions. The reaction time of a computer blows away the reaction time of a human. And a computer can watch all sides of your vehicle at all times - which is impossible, and of course totally impractical, for human drivers.

Consider anti-lock brakes. What you have is essentially a computer maximizing braking. While a human can (and did, prior to antilock brakes) modulate the brakes when they detect loss of traction, humans cannot do this nearly as well as a computer.
 
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CZfool68 said:
Yes, the driver's ed class sucks. My daughter couldn't safely pull into a parking spot forward or backward when she was done. And she never learned a 3 point turn. I have been working on those things with her. And she is signed up for the Brakes class so hopefully she'll keep getting better.
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I watched the original Red Asphalt (c.1964) in high school drivers ed (1999-2000). It was great :rolleyes:
 
I read your post last evening after dinner and due to my being slightly inebriated I did not give comment. I am glad to hear all are well. What you went through and as you describe it, is one of my fears. My children are not yet driving, so I can not imagine the amount of fear and joy at opposite ends of this event. So glad for your family that all was well and hope the young lady recovers fully and has learned the lessons of defensive driving.
 
Glad to hear they are ok
 
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