Ohio third-grader arrested for bringing loaded gun, extra ammo to school

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Link: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...un-extra-ammo-to-school/ar-AAtHxxI?li=BBnbcA1

The child told police he brought the 9mm to Rosa Parks Elementary in Ohio because he was being picked on.

The child is charged with felonious assault, illegal conveyance of a deadly weapons and carrying a concealed weapon. He appeared in juvenile court Tuesday and was ordered to remain in the juvenile detention center, at least through next week when he appears in court again. He will undergo a competency and psychological evaluation and risk assessment.
Like sending him to juvi is going to help matters. Let's make him hard core.

The one statement that makes sense:
Kathryn Lundy, a supporter of a new program, 'Bully Proof' agrees students need more resources in schools.

"What has not been happening? Or what has been happening that has led this poor innocent boy to actually think that that was OK to do," Lundy said.

Apparently the mother's boyfriend left the gun in a place where the kid could access it. How Stupid!
 
at least he brought extra ammo. That shows forward thinking, and a can do attitude. He's no Beta Male.

My favorite quote:
""My boys come and tell me that they were right there with the boy with the gun," Duke said. "That's scary. My kids were right there, could have handled this gun. It could have easily went wrong.""

Uh, yeah. Teach your kids what do when they see a gun. STOP DONT TOUCH TELL AN ADULT.

It's like interviewing a caveman when a fellow caveman burned down the forest.
 
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kid shouldn’t be at juvie but instead maybe foster care which isn’t any better. These poor excuses of parents these days would blow your freaking minds. In the last few years you wouldn’t believe the number of kids under 7 that have been committed by their parents. Most are cases of just out of control kids not true IVC issues. I’ve had them bring them to my office and say I can’t do nothing with them. I’m telling you the kids today are messed up but their kids will be F’ed.
 
kid shouldn’t be at juvie but instead maybe foster care which isn’t any better. These poor excuses of parents these days would blow your freaking minds. In the last few years you wouldn’t believe the number of kids under 7 that have been committed by their parents. Most are cases of just out of control kids not true IVC issues. I’ve had them bring them to my office and say I can’t do nothing with them. I’m telling you the kids today are messed up but their kids will be F’ed.
Yup. Just look around you and at how the younger generations are acting. And to think they're the functional ones. Even their offspring are going to be pretty well messed up getting raised by this bunch. I can only imagine how bad it is for the dysfunctional ones.
 
kid shouldn’t be at juvie but instead maybe foster care which isn’t any better. These poor excuses of parents these days would blow your freaking minds. In the last few years you wouldn’t believe the number of kids under 7 that have been committed by their parents. Most are cases of just out of control kids not true IVC issues. I’ve had them bring them to my office and say I can’t do nothing with them. I’m telling you the kids today are messed up but their kids will be F’ed.

Wilderness Program. :D Yeah, juvi is a bad call. But what do you expect from the state, of course they can fix this! :rolleyes: In most cases, show me a messed up kid and I'll show you some messed up parents. It's not 100%, but it's close.

OK, different angle. This quote bugs me.

"Parents and grandparents want to know what can be done to prevent students from feeling violence is the only answer."

I would love to know if he addressed a teacher about this? Or if teachers saw the behavior? I've been involved in incidents where these things were ignored by staff, and handled by my daughter. She's never been in a fight exactly, but one well placed kick to the shin on the playground sure ended things quick. Which is my point. That parent teacher conference was well worth the effort. A lot of times staff both suppress the victims actions and ignore the instigators actions. The victim then gets left with only two real options; eat the abuse or escalate the violence to stop it. Yes its the kids bad choice to do this. But how complicit where the responsible adults in leaving this as the best option on the table? I've told my girls, if someone starts something you make sure they never want to do it again. Anything you have to do to make them understand you are not to be messed with. I will deal with the consequences. Don't start it, but feel free to finish it.

Flip side is, he may have told nobody and then snapped. Which would make me wonder why he feels he can't talk to his parents about this stuff? That's a problem too. We knew our daughter was having issues with the couple of kids she ultimately put in their place. It was not a surprise.
 
There are so many underlying problems here ...

The kid wasn’t or didn’t talk with his parent(s) about being bullied? Like Jason said above communication between parents and kids is damn important! I know my kid, a 16 year old boy, is not perfect and has done more crap than what I’ve caught him in but he also knows if he needs help come to us.

As to the availablity of a firearm to a 3rd grader ... I was not stupid enough to let my kid have access to a firearm until he was older. I’m thinking he was in middle school and then it was a pellet rifle for squirrel patrol.

Moving on to the teachers ... they stick their noses in places like religion, ask children questions about homelife that are reaching, etc but the teachers aren’t paying attention to a child being picked on? Teachers need to reprioritize their actions and watching what goes on in the classroom should be above a lot of other stuff teachers have been do8ng to our kids lately.

And a 3rd grader, 9 years old I’m guessing, does know right from wrong so he is somewhat responsible but not near what the slack parent and teacher were to at least see something was going on.
 
At that age I had my own guns in my closet with all the ammo I needed right there on the self.

No one needed to "leave anything out" for me to find.

The kid needs a structured environment and the BF needs to own the charges.

And the mom needs a kick in the posterior.

Where is the Dad?
 
Kid faces three felony charges, of which I'm betting he has very little understanding of in terms of severity.

Moms bf faces only one charge, which I'm betting isn't even a felony.

Wassup. Something is wrong here.

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WHY was an 8 year old so terrified of going to school that he felt he needed a gun, hmmm?

You'd think in any sane country that this is what would be asked. Not so, here in AmeriKa they are more conserned about their stupid legal "charges" and making s 9 yo out to be a felon.
 
So we show kids tv shows and movies where the hero uses a gun to fix their problems, pretty much constantly.

We ignore kids getting bullied because schools are too busy teaching 57 genders, why white people are evil and advanced protesting for kids.

We wonder why a kid with what seems to be nobody paying attention decides his only self-made solution is what he has been shown works time and time again: a gun.

And then we get confused and ask wwwhhhhhyyyyy is this happening? Won't somebody think of the children and bannnnnn stuffffff!

Morons. Everywhere.
 
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Well....

When you keep teaching kids that using their fists is always wrong and never an option, you can expect them to find other solutions.

Used to be, if a bully persisted and no one did anything about it, the kid getting picked on would finally have enough and lay a jab right into the bully's snotlocker.

More times than not, pain, blurry vision and the free flow of blood from the nose was enough to show a bully the error of his ways.
 
Maybe the other kid was a 49er fan?
 
kid shouldn’t be at juvie but instead maybe foster care which isn’t any better. These poor excuses of parents these days would blow your freaking minds. In the last few years you wouldn’t believe the number of kids under 7 that have been committed by their parents. Most are cases of just out of control kids not true IVC issues. I’ve had them bring them to my office and say I can’t do nothing with them. I’m telling you the kids today are messed up but their kids will be F’ed.
Exactly. The mother's first duty is too her children, not her next orgasm.

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The child told police he brought the 9mm to Rosa Parks Elementary in Ohio because he was being picked on

Need any further explanation?

Sure. What were the circumstances and history behind this?

Many adults have an entirely different take on what constitutes being picked on compared to the child victims. Growing up, being picked on likely meant getting my *ss beat by a pack of bullies as much as it did for being teased because of my name. And the period leading up to those *ss beating were every bit as terrifying, if not more so, as the beating themselves.

An 8 year old may well have been terrified.
 
Sure. What were the circumstances and history behind this?

Many adults have an entirely different take on what constitutes being picked on compared to the child victims. Growing up, being picked on likely meant getting my *ss beat by a pack of bullies as much as it did for being teased because of my name. And the period leading up to those *ss beating were every bit as terrifying, if not more so, as the beating themselves.

An 8 year old may well have been terrified.

Until an episode around the age of 11 I was bullied a lot myself. My name lends itself to a bunch of reworkings, I was (and still am) fat, I was a math geek and my teacher would not shut up about it and I had bad eyes and ugly government glasses (think old army BCGs).

All these things got me beaten up a lot and teased even more. Hell, if there had been guns in the house I probably would have been that kid in Ohio. As it was when I finally got a growth spurt and sick of it I put the other kid in hospital overnight and it took three teachers to drag me off, the first two of which I put on the ground when they tried to intervene.

Since schools used an iota of common sense back then it was deemed reaping what the bully had sown and I was sent home for a couple of days to cool off. The angry parent of the kid I avenged myself on got a talking to from the headmaster and the cops were not called.
 
I had a friend in high school who somehow earned the moniker "Benny Beat Off". His name was Glenn. One kid called him that at an assembly after being warned to stop doing so. Glenn got him in a head lock and started pounding his head. A teacher grabbed Glenn and got knocked out cold. Another grabbed his face and almost got the same except the principal intervened and told the teacher to let him go.

Glenn got a short vacation from school and that was the end of it. Nobody called him Benny Beat Off again.
 
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In cases like this I thought that the parents and hopefully a lawyer would be present for questioning with the principal. Is that not the case in this situation? I'm sure that lawyers have a hard enough time getting adults to shut up and not say too much I imagine it would be terrible for a child.
 
In cases like this I thought that the parents and hopefully a lawyer would be present for questioning with the principal. Is that not the case in this situation? I'm sure that lawyers have a hard enough time getting adults to shut up and not say too much I imagine it would be terrible for a child.

Kids don't have any civil rights at school, unless they're a "minority" or pretending to have some made up gender or self image issues. It's part of teaching them that authority is all.
 
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As an interesting insight into getting to the actual, root cause, of any given problem, I learned many years ago the value of not only asking the question "Why?", but asking that question a number of times.

This process is called, rather uncreatively I think, the "5 Whys". This is because it takes at least five iterations of asking "Why?" to really get anywhere in determining the root cause to a problem.

If you ask the question "Why?" enough, eventually you go back far enough in events to reach what can truly be called the "root cause" to any given problem. The answer to each "Why?" forms the foundation for the next question. Most people tend to stop at the first "Why?", perhaps because it tends to lead to the easiest answer. Which usually isn't an answer at all, as it never truly addresses the root cause.

Consider:

Why was this kid arrested? He brought a gun to school.

Why did this kid bring a gun to school? He wanted to protect himself from being picked on.

Why did this kid think he needed to protect himself from being picked on? There was a group of kids who constantly taunted him and beat him up.

Why was this group of kids allowed to taunt and beat this kid? The teachers did not see what was happening.

Why did the teachers not know what was happening in their own school with their own student? Because....


See where this leads? It starts leading back to the HARD REALITIES of exactly WHY and WHEN things started going down the wrong path to the incident that resulted in the first place. My questions above may not be the same "Why?" questions anybody here may have asked...but the PROCESS would have been the same. And, if pursued methodically to its conclusion, should reach the same place eventually.


Yes, this kid COULD be screwed in the head. A possibility as real, at least, as any bullies being screwed in the head. But I think we can all agree that once a kid brings a gun to school, things have gotten out of control and it's the responsibility of the school officials to MAINTAIN control of what happens in school. I'm certain that the answers to some of those "Why?" questions would show that control was somewhat lacking on the part of those officials.

And I'm also sure those officials do NOT want to be questioned as to "Why?" they lost control. Hence, the tendency to want people to accept the superficial, "easiest", answer.
 
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