SC Prisoner transfer deaths

I see this differently, the chain of command set the transfer date and time. SOP sets the closest route to be taken between point A & point B. The Deputies are charged with acting in a responsible manner when driving.

1. Chain of Command should have delayed the departure date based on current conditions of the intended travel route.
2. The Deputy in charge (ranking officer) was responsible for choosing the route and should have either altered the route for increased safety or aborted the trip and returned to the point of origin.
3. The Deputies showed poor judgement in driving around the barricade on a road that had been closed by local authorities.

I think there' more than enough blame to go around on this one, from the brass that ordered the deputies the load them into the van and get started to the deputy that made the decision to drive around the barricade.
 
If only there was a way they could have ever kept from ending up in the van to begin with....

edit: unless they were real mental patients.
Am I to take this to mean that you think it's ok that they died in a van because they're mental patients? That's what it sounded like to me.
I must be reading this wrong, because surely that's NOT want you meant, right??? So tell me if I'm wrong. You could be saying they're mental patients, so it's ok that they were in a van that ended up in a flood, and then they drowned, I suppose...
 
Am I to take this to mean that you think it's ok that they died in a van because they're mental patients? That's what it sounded like to me.
I must be reading this wrong, because surely that's NOT want you meant, right??? So tell me if I'm wrong. You could be saying they're mental patients, so it's ok that they were in a van that ended up in a flood, and then they drowned, I suppose...
I meant being in an inmate transport vehicle is a perfectly preventable occurrence unless they were legitimately mentally ill.
 
Just a little information the people driving are not Leo/police but certified Correctional officers which is very different.

Both articles I read specifically referred to "deputies" as being the ones in the van.
 
Both articles I read specifically referred to "deputies" as being the ones in the van.

Yeah they call them deputies but they usually are not blet certified law enforcement. Instead they are Correctinal Officers both are under the sheriff's control. It maybe splitting hairs but it is still two very different certifications.
 
Just a little information the people driving are not Leo/police but certified Correctional officers which is very different.
Actual state LEO Certificated Deputies with arresting powers usually transport from the Hospital in Loris to the McCloud Mental Health Facility in Darlington. Got family that works there. Is there anything in the article stating different? A correction Officer would only be transporting someone who is in Prison / Jail under their Custody, at least in NC. They wouldn’t transport patients. They’d only transport patients who were in prison.

Corrections can’t take custody over a civilian, at least Correction Officers in NC, I know that for fact. The only power a correction Officer has per law in NC concerning arrest / detaining a civilian is if they interfere in the transportation of an inmate, like assisting escape, and such are granted such powers during an escape per law, and can detain someone who you witness commit a felony and believe to be a danger to the public. Even that is warned to be hesitant against by most instructors.

I’d of turned around if water was in the road. Transport shouldn’t have been approved based on road conditions in a state of emergency, unless it was vital for the persons immediate health. Failure of the Deputy Driving if he went through water, (over taken by water on a clear road would be different and just an unforeseen tragedy). Failure on the person who approved this transport.
 
Yeah they call them deputies but they usually are not blet certified law enforcement. Instead they are Correctinal Officers both are under the sheriff's control. It maybe splitting hairs but it is still two very different certifications.
Corrections can’t pick up / detain / transport civilians who aren’t under their custody in prison. Certified LEO’s transport mental health patients not in prison / custody to hospitals.
 
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Corrections can’t pick up / detain / transport civilians who aren’t under their custody in prison. Certified LEO’s transport mental health patients not in prison / custody to hospitals.

I believe that is true. So this was a mental health transport for sure?

Looks like it my bad. Yeah probably was deputy's then and explains why they weren't cuffed during transport.
 
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I believe that is true. So this was a mental health transport for sure?
Yes they where being transported from McCloud Loris Hospital ER to a McCloud Mental Health Facility in Darlington SC.

I also know for a fact Water was over that bridge Tuesday, as I couldn’t get to work, that Bridge is one of the reasons I’m landlocked in this area.

Honestly this transport should have never happened by vehicle, whether Corrections/ LEO’s / Patients/ or inmates. There was 3 major flooded rivers they’d need to cross. Lumber, Little Pee Dee, Great Pee Dee. Possibly could have went way south with a route, but still there have been lots of washouts.

IMHO They should’ve been left in Loris Hospital until the flooding is over. They have teleconference communication availabile with DR’s in other area’s for mental health.
 
If you're shackled in the back of a locked police van being escorted by sworn deputies...then you're a prisoner. Maybe not a convict, but definitely not free. Ergo, a prisoner.

I know what you mean..Being patients vs. convicts make a bad situation even worse. We will see if more facts are reported, but it is possible for the women that died to have committed themselves voluntarily to the hospital. I don't want to make assumptions, but that would make matters worse.
 
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I meant being in an inmate transport vehicle is a perfectly preventable occurrence unless they were legitimately mentally ill.

What if they were legitimately mentally ill?
 
What if they were legitimately mentally ill?

If you are being transported by deputies from an ED to an inpatient unit you very likely are.

In NC the only way the Sheriffs Dept gets involved in transport is when there is an involuntary commitment (IVC). I don't know, but suspect, the same is true in SC.
 
If you are being transported by deputies from an ED to an inpatient unit you very likely are.

In NC the only way the Sheriffs Dept gets involved in transport is when there is an involuntary commitment (IVC). I don't know, but suspect, the same is true in SC.

When I've been transported, it was always sheriffs.
 
Please presume nothing about what I've been paid by karma, as I've not done the same to you.

A forger is a damn thief, a group of people I have 0 sympathy for.

Again, it seems as though my opinion seems to have struck a chord. I'm sorry if that is the case, but I have little room in my heart for thieves, lifelong addicts, and the other types that are a drain this society that take and take while the govt forces me to donate to their continued wrongdoing.
No chord struck. I guess I just value life a bit more than you. I don’t think minor crimes should be a death sentence. For the record you made plenty of assumptions talking about bleeding hearts and crap multiple times. Have a great rest of your night.
 
Just a little information the people driving are not Leo/police but certified Correctional officers which is very different.
Like everyone else has said, the information says deputies right now. I think the two that were in control of the van should be dealt with accordingly. Due to their incompetence two women died.
 
No chord struck. I guess I just value life a bit more than you. I don’t think minor crimes should be a death sentence. For the record you made plenty of assumptions talking about bleeding hearts and crap multiple times. Have a great rest of your night.

Fair enough about assumptions. For the record, I don't think it should be a death sentence, but I fail to have any sympathy. I also value life, I just believe some have far more value than others.
 
Sort of unrelated/ related... Think about a cardiac arrest up in the jail. We have a huge multi story jail in Forsyth. Think about what it takes to get a stretcher and all the equipment through all of those locked doors and then back out the same way. It's like a thoroughbred waiting at the starting gate. Being in jail isn't where you want to go out.

Or. On a transport van, in the back, cuffed behind you, and go into a full on grand Mal seizure between back seats. Hurt my back on that one.
 
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The Sheriff weighed in. As as I thought, and I was hoping they didn’t, but they drove around the barricade. The Sheriff did confirm they were mental health patients, not charged with any crimes.

Likely drowned because the deputies couldn’t open the doors due to water pressure would be my guess. Gross negligence on the driver.

https://www.thestate.com/latest-news/article218651605.html
 
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The Sheriff weighed in. As as I thought, and I was hoping they didn’t, but they drove around the barricade. The Sheriff did confirm they were mental health patients, not charged with any crimes.

Likely drowned because the deputies couldn’t open the doors due to water pressure would be my guess. Gross negligence on the driver.

https://www.thestate.com/latest-news/article218651605.html
Incompetent bastards. Involuntary manslaughter thank you. Just like a traffic accident one would be responsible for.
 
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