Well, ain't that a kick in the nuts....

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I have a niche role in a niche department. Nurses love them some specialty certifications, and I have not needed one in this job. Until now. Because I don't have a specialty certification, I am losing 11% of my hourly rate, costing me only $200/week. The problem? Aside from a substantial pay cut, there isn't a certification that applies to my job. Certified emergency nurse, certified critical care nurse, certified flight nurse, none of these count.

I told my boss today I will be working 11% less during the day. To be fait, he (and his boss) are sympathetic and have gone to HR to bat for me, requesting a reclassification (denied).

I am beyond pissed....
 
I left a job with a large corporation early in my career over crap like that. Although they fixed things a year later after I left and I came back and spent another five years there. The job I left for was a disaster and I only got back to my old job by the skin of my teeth and fortuitous circumstances.
 
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I have a niche role in a niche department. Nurses love them some specialty certifications, and I have not needed one in this job. Until now. Because I don't have a specialty certification, I am losing 11% of my hourly rate, costing me only $200/week. The problem? Aside from a substantial pay cut, there isn't a certification that applies to my job. Certified emergency nurse, certified critical care nurse, certified flight nurse, none of these count.

I told my boss today I will be working 11% less during the day. To be fait, he (and his boss) are sympathetic and have gone to HR to bat for me, requesting a reclassification (denied).

I am beyond pissed....
Wow! Does this mean you have to go back to school to get one of the cert. they want?

(I'm beyond pissed for you!)
 
I was just hoping if you got a cert. they liked, you could still do your job and keep your hard-earned $$......looks like that's a big NO! Sorry!
 
How big a company, can you go higher up the chain, perhaps talk with a lawyer with HR experience.
Is your pay grade competitive with the market, if not perhaps they can do a market adjustment?
 
I have a niche role in a niche department. Nurses love them some specialty certifications, and I have not needed one in this job. Until now. Because I don't have a specialty certification, I am losing 11% of my hourly rate, costing me only $200/week. The problem? Aside from a substantial pay cut, there isn't a certification that applies to my job. Certified emergency nurse, certified critical care nurse, certified flight nurse, none of these count.

I told my boss today I will be working 11% less during the day. To be fait, he (and his boss) are sympathetic and have gone to HR to bat for me, requesting a reclassification (denied).

I am beyond pissed....

I'm mad just reading this!

I will be working 11% less every day in solidarity!
 
Suddenly your not worth as much doing the same job without a piece of paper you never had. Sounds about right. Got any new management recently?

Ran into similar things but at least it was during the job search part. SMH at the stuff employers ask for, or don’t recognize as useful.


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Charles, you're smarter than anyone else there!

Wait a minute, I was in your shoes a few years ago. As @fieldgrade did, I took another job that I was not quite suited for. Unfortunately, I was not able to go back and am still partially employed two years later.

My rambling aside, you are young and talented. You will be alright.
 
Praying for you, brother.
 
How big a company, can you go higher up the chain, perhaps talk with a lawyer with HR experience.
Is your pay grade competitive with the market, if not perhaps they can do a market adjustment?

The decision is driven by an outside accreditation agency that my employer covets. Ironically, the accreditation lures new nurses. The short answer is I might be able to take a specialty certification exam in somethingthat it is kind of sort of like. That will probably suffice.

The rest of my job classification does not match my position either, but my direct report said they would be willing to engage in creative documentation so as long as I have a certification I can keep my job at my salary.

Administration said they are not going to adjust this position, nor will they create a new position.
 
Sounds like management BS to me.

An employee's worth is based on the job they do and how well they do it. Certifications are only PART of it, not the whole of it.

This is why, for example, job experience carries weight, as does seniority, training received by the company, and more.

If a company/management is pulling the "certification" routine as an exclusive qualification, then what they're likely doing is looking for ways to downsize or otherwise cut costs through personnel attrition tactics.

See...even if a person DOES have "certifications", the NEXT tactic such management types will pull is the "over qualified" tactic. Which leads right back to downsizing/cutting costs through personnel attrition tactics.
 
While working for one of the largest engineering companies in the world (AECOM) that is ran by bean counters and not actual engineers, I was in the same boat. Got a job offer from a competitor and got a 25% raise. I didn't fit in any of their boxes and my title stayed the same. I still ended up leaving a year later, but at least I was getting appropriately compensated. Now that I think about it, I never did show proof of another offer or the amount. Go to your boss and tell them you got an offer for 11% more and see what they say.
 
An employer is entitled to re-class, create or dissolve a position anytime it so decides. Normally they will offer the current employee a similar position assuming that employee is someone they want to keep.

One of my clients had such a screwed up corporate structure that people had issues trying to figure out who answered to whom and who was responsible for what. Upon close examination there were 2 levels (4 employees) that didn't need to exist so I did away with them. The uproar could be hear 'round the world but I did it anyway. 2 of them were moved into other positions and are still with the company and the other 2 went with another course and looked for other jobs.

I don't know where your (OP) answer is other than to evaluate the present and future. The only constant is life is change....
 
An employer is entitled to re-class, create or dissolve a position anytime it so decides. Normally they will offer the current employee a similar position assuming that employee is someone they want to keep.

One of my clients had such a screwed up corporate structure that people had issues trying to figure out who answered to whom and who was responsible for what. Upon close examination there were 2 levels (4 employees) that didn't need to exist so I did away with them. The uproar could be hear 'round the world but I did it anyway. 2 of them were moved into other positions and are still with the company and the other 2 went with another course and looked for other jobs.

I don't know where your (OP) answer is other than to evaluate the present and future. The only constant is life is change....


And that will only occur if you don't want it to. :eek:
 
My last job I worked at for 11 years. Was gettung screwed on pay since the director didnt like me. After 8.5 years was promoted. Got small bump. new folks coming on board were making 40k year more than me for same duties. People with titles and pay scales under me majing 10 to 15k more. Was told of a 5 figure raise upon certification which was obtained.raise was not. I literally had the keys to the kingdom (hence how i knew others compensation) and was treated like crap.
It was only after I gave notuce that they wanted to talk about raise and get me to "market" (whuch wasnt even close to what I was being offered elsewhere..and i told them that).
Point being..might be time to dust off the resume and shop yourself to other employers willing to appropriately pay their people. If they value you, they mmight come back with a decent offer (or not). At least you will have some options in front of you.
 
The decision is driven by an outside accreditation agency that my employer covets. Ironically, the accreditation lures new nurses. The short answer is I might be able to take a specialty certification exam in somethingthat it is kind of sort of like. That will probably suffice.

The rest of my job classification does not match my position either, but my direct report said they would be willing to engage in creative documentation so as long as I have a certification I can keep my job at my salary.

Administration said they are not going to adjust this position, nor will they create a new position.
I work for a Corporate hospital as well. I feel your pain. Daily.
 
I have a niche role in a niche department. Nurses love them some specialty certifications, and I have not needed one in this job. Until now. Because I don't have a specialty certification, I am losing 11% of my hourly rate, costing me only $200/week. The problem? Aside from a substantial pay cut, there isn't a certification that applies to my job. Certified emergency nurse, certified critical care nurse, certified flight nurse, none of these count.

I told my boss today I will be working 11% less during the day. To be fait, he (and his boss) are sympathetic and have gone to HR to bat for me, requesting a reclassification (denied).

I am beyond pissed....
Magnet status time - remember Magnets pull things away
 
I my experience, corporations have this thing where a new executive comes in, hates all the plans and policies currently in place and has to make changes to make their mark on the business. The oil tanker slowly turns in a direction- until someone else new has to make their mark, grabs the wheel with a new set of priorities and steers in the opposite direction. And so it goes, the ship sorta gets somewhere but the crew gets seasick in the process.

I'd buff up the ole resume and do some serious research on what you are worth elsewhere to see if the "attract" aspect of another employer is better than the "retain" ability of your current one. If you really like where you are, you maybe can try to use that info to make a case. But be ready to leave if the honeymoon is over.
 
Get your resume tuned up.
Sounds like they want you to leave anyway so they can hire someone cheaper to do your job.
I don't know you personally, but if you are half the person other's think you are, start looking and something good will happen.
 
My boss and his boss (who is a good friend of mine) are working a couple angles to get this fixed or minimize the damage. There are a couple mitigating factors: I am a Clinical Nurse 4 (CN 4), a 'level' in which it is challenging to move. Just like the military, there has to be an opening for that particular level in another department, and there are not that many. So while I can get another job in a New York minute, it would invariably come with a pay cut. Also, I am in graduate school, and my operational boss lets me take all the PTO I need to manage school.

The short answer is that there are about 3 or 4 specialty certifications that I might be able to take, but they need approval at the senior admin level, since there isn't one related to my job, at all.

When I do leave, they will fill my position with a CN 2, which will be significantly cheaper. @Curmudgeon hit the 10 ring. HE knows.
 
I ran into the same thing in the Army. I had to go to BNCOC (Basic Non Commisioned Officer Course) for 13F (Forward Observer) brfore I could be promoted to E6. The school was in Ft Sill, OK and there was only 1-2 classes a year due to the low density in the job. It would have taken me years if I’d had stayed in that job. It’s like we can’t promote you until you have this class, but the class isn’t offered so..... I transferred to 12B (Combat Engineer) and rode it out to the end!
 
I have a niche role in a niche department. Nurses love them some specialty certifications, and I have not needed one in this job. Until now. Because I don't have a specialty certification, I am losing 11% of my hourly rate, costing me only $200/week. The problem? Aside from a substantial pay cut, there isn't a certification that applies to my job. Certified emergency nurse, certified critical care nurse, certified flight nurse, none of these count.

I told my boss today I will be working 11% less during the day. To be fait, he (and his boss) are sympathetic and have gone to HR to bat for me, requesting a reclassification (denied).

I am beyond pissed....
How exactly can they require a certification that does not exist? Sounds like they just wanted to screw one of the few male nurses.
[An acquaintance is attending NC State doctorate in nurse anesthetist program. I'm sure he will face gender discrimination because nursing, for the most part is controlled by women.]
 
HR. Just like they’ll demand 10 years programming experience in a language released only 3 years ago.
I didn't even get a job interview once because the hiring manager thought I had too much GaAs design experience relative to my SOI design experience. Yet I started designing in SOI the same year my then employer started designing on it. Go figure. I had been designing on GaAs since 1992. It was another way to screen out an older candidate without saying age was the reason.
 
UPDATE: I took a specialty certification this morning, a 175-question, $400 test. I passed....now along with all of the other certifications I hold (they the hospital does not recognize in this job), I am a Certified Pain Management RN.

Well you should be well equipped to manage the pain from this kick in the nuts now.
 
Does this mean that we'll start see interesting things in BST?

Congrats either way!
 
Serious question, are you a certified flight nurse?
 
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