Range pet peeves

B00ger said:
Oh, just remembered one...was all alone at an indoor range...10 bays or so total. Guy comes in, and sets up in the bay next to me...I was like "seriously"...its as bad/worse than some dude saddling up next to you at a line of urinals...personal space doods!
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Literally see my last post LOL
 
'brass chickens' LMAO.

I just take the large floor broom or scraper and scoop all the brass I need into my range bag during breaks in the action. No pecking needed, just basic safety cleanup practices ;)

Wouldn't want you ambulatory-challenged folks rolling your ankles by slipping on .223 brass ;)
 
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As a RO on a public indoor range, I understand and agree with most of your concerns. That said, my job is to enforce the rules/SOPs set by the owners. The only time you will hear from me is if you consistantly break or ignore those rules (shooting the ceiling/floor/walls, handling firearms while range is cold, sweeping neighbors).
 
NCFubar said:
Range Ninjas ... with their tacticool stuff and wannabe talk but really don’t know crap. On the other side of that I love seeing them taken down a couple notches by a shooter they vastly underestimate like a woman or kid who can outshoot them.
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Oh yeah. I was taking an exs daughter to the range for the first time ever, she was excited but obeying all the rules and listening. Guy next to us was being a bit of a smartass about girls shooting and cranking off his AR with an obnoxious brake, until I started sticking her targets on the support post.

She was outshooting him her first time at the range with an iron sighted 22 bolt action older than her grandad. He was using an AR draped with tacticool crap and either an ACOG or a good knockoff.

At 50yds.

He packed up and left after her third or fourth target went up. She had an amazing first firearms experience and got ice cream.
 
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Guys that treat the range like its their social hour. 2-3 minutes of talking is ok, but I didn't come to the range to talk. I came to shoot.

Guys that call the range cold every 5 shots so they can walk down and look at their target. I don't mind stopping every 1/2 hour or so, but any more often is just silly. Get some binoculars or a spotting scope if you *NEED* to see your target up close that often. This is probably a sign that you need to be shooting at a shorter range.

The "brass chickens" mentioned above. My brass is my property. If you take it, you're a twinkle toes communist manure sucking dirtbag thief who hates America and Jesus. Seriously, do not touch my brass. Don't even look at it.

Tactikool Ninjas who show up to the range looking like extras from an action movie. Yeah buddy, you really need hard-knuckle gloves and a plate carrier to shoot your glock at 7 yards. This is America, and you're free to look silly. I'm also free to laugh at you.

Also, those guys who assume any/all shooting has to be SD/HD training, and bad mouth people who don't DA their revolvers and bounce around during mag changes. You're just as bad as the Fudd's who think all shooting has to be skeet and sighting in deer rifles.

Mag dumpers. I have nothing against people who can shoot rapidly AND hit their target. But folks that pull the trigger as fast as possible because they like the noise/recoil annoy me. They damage range equipment, and shoot over the berm. Was nearly shot by one many moons ago.

Worst of all, the dudes who see target frames, and other range equipment as part of the target. There's a guy at every range, in every workplace, etc, who gets his kicks from breaking things. I wish he'd do the world a favor and break his own legs.

I'm a member of a private club, so I don't have too many idiots to deal with. If I had to shoot at public ranges, I'd probably give up shooting.
 
Most above covered my pet peeves. My biggest peeve is someone just being obnoxious like the guy with an AK pistol that set up in the bay next to my wife and I while I was trying to get her more comfortable with shooting.
 
I forgot about the 3-5 shot and walk guys. Use my spotter, put up more targets, do something other than walk slowly.

People that complain about loud rifles and muzzle devices. Sure if there's space separation is good no matter what gun, guns are loud, some more than others.
 
My biggest problem at the range I am a member at is “other People and silly rules”. Sure you have rules, but some are just silly IMO. 50% of the shooters that I have watched drive me up a brick wall. I also shoot at a private range and we have none of the problems that I encounter at other ranges.
 
Tim said:
Why? Because you’re the exception, not the rule.

A fair percentage of the time uncased weapons coming out of a vehicle are....
- loaded
- carried improperly, causing sweeping issues
- brought to the line while the line is cold
- actions closed and magazines inserted
- etc.

Of course there are folks that don’t do these things, but it’s just like above when someone says “it’s not loaded” in response to being called out for sweeping. It’s just not OK.
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I see your point, and agree with you to a degree, but all the case does is hide all of this and make the trigger harder to set off.
 
ROs that tell me I can’t pick up my brass...I don’t shoot there anymore.

Most of the stuff you guys are complaining about just hasn’t happened to me yet. Maybe I’ve just been fortunate.


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SC380 said:
Ummmm it has to come out of the case in whatever unsafe condition it is in at some point. Would you rather that person have an unpleasant surprise in their trunk or next to you on the range?



Cases are a false sense of security, that's the point.
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DEFINITELY next to me on the range with the muzzle pointed in a safe direction. Negligent discharges behind the firing line are no bueno. Cases are not false security. They are actual real physical and effective security.
 
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Catfish said:
DEFINITELY next to me on the range with the muzzle pointed in a safe direction. Negligent discharges behind the firing line are no bueno.
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Do people always uncase their guns safely on the line with the muzzle down range? No, of course they don't...especially if there is a bench or table behind the firing line.
 
SC380 said:
Do people always uncase their guns safely on the line with the muzzle down range? No, of course they don't...especially if there is a bench or table behind the firing line.
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Those people are asked to leave after getting a thorough ass chewing by an RO.
 
B00ger said:
Oh, just remembered one...was all alone at an indoor range...10 bays or so total. Guy comes in, and sets up in the bay next to me...I was like "seriously"...its as bad/worse than some dude saddling up next to you at a line of urinals...personal space doods!
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This. I was at the indoor 25 yard range and the staff sent a guy with a braked 308 to the lane next to me. Just the two of us, 18 open lanes.

My indoor peeve is related to bored people and spectators. They get to where they feel like they need to do something, so they start sweeping brass, my brass, across the firing line.

“Brass Chicken” is funny. Last week a guy and his father were shooting, when the 30 something son was shooting the 50 something dad would walk around, pick up every piece of brass, make a show of inspecting it and put it in his bag. I shouldn’t care about pistol brass, it’s just the principal of the thing.

Also guys shooting rifles, or rifle caliber handguns, from the hip.

Anyone that argues with the RO.
 
SC380 said:
I can say that hasn't always been the case and an ass chewing after the fact doesn't really guarantee anyone's safety does it?
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Nothing is guaranteed. I'm not even sure why I jumped into this except your notion of range safety seems entirely out of sync with what I've been taught. I'm sure there are lots of different ways to not shoot someone. As long as there are rules and people are following them I'm reasonably happy. It's when folks are left to rely on their common sense that things get hairy. Everyone thinks they have it - I'm not sure it even exists.
 
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You mean yall don't get all dressed up in full battle rattle before heading to the line? I like to make a point to slap a fresh mag in, slam the bolt shut, and let people know that I mean business when I approach. The cartwheel into a kneeling firing position just forward of the line lets them really know what I am all about...

But fo real...

Most ranges I have been to have a table or something near the shooting bay. I always carry my firearms to that table in a case, and then once at the table I will remove it from the case, muzzle downrange, and chamber open. Most of the time I have more than one rifle, so carrying cases to the lane is far easier than fumbling around trying to sling multiple firearms or have them bang and scrape against each other while I carry them.
 
Beef15 said:
People that complain about loud rifles and muzzle devices. Sure if there's space separation is good no matter what gun, guns are loud, some more than others.
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I was trying to think how to convey this. Yep, you have it just about right...

As an example. When I started DCM, not quite as old as dirt, say about 1977 or so... One old timer told me that to shoot this discipline means that you need to concentrate on the target, yourself, and nothing else, not even if hot brass gets in your shirt collar. That's the truth as the rules say you must contend with 'normal' range issues including HOT brass, noise, and farts (another story). Let's face it, the range is loud and distracting, but it should be safe.
 
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RedneckFur said:
Guys that treat the range like its their social hour. 2-3 minutes of talking is ok, but I didn't come to the range to talk. I came to shoot.

Guys that call the range cold every 5 shots so they can walk down and look at their target. I don't mind stopping every 1/2 hour or so, but any more often is just silly. Get some binoculars or a spotting scope if you *NEED* to see your target up close that often. This is probably a sign that you need to be shooting at a shorter range.

The "brass chickens" mentioned above. My brass is my property. If you take it, you're a twinkle toes communist manure sucking dirtbag thief who hates America and Jesus. Seriously, do not touch my brass. Don't even look at it.

Tactikool Ninjas who show up to the range looking like extras from an action movie. Yeah buddy, you really need hard-knuckle gloves and a plate carrier to shoot your glock at 7 yards. This is America, and you're free to look silly. I'm also free to laugh at you.

Also, those guys who assume any/all shooting has to be SD/HD training, and bad mouth people who don't DA their revolvers and bounce around during mag changes. You're just as bad as the Fudd's who think all shooting has to be skeet and sighting in deer rifles.

Mag dumpers. I have nothing against people who can shoot rapidly AND hit their target. But folks that pull the trigger as fast as possible because they like the noise/recoil annoy me. They damage range equipment, and shoot over the berm. Was nearly shot by one many moons ago.

Worst of all, the dudes who see target frames, and other range equipment as part of the target. There's a guy at every range, in every workplace, etc, who gets his kicks from breaking things. I wish he'd do the world a favor and break his own legs.

I'm a member of a private club, so I don't have too many idiots to deal with. If I had to shoot at public ranges, I'd probably give up shooting.
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Ok grandpa,
Go take your meds. Lol

Damn man, why go to such a stressful place like a range then?
 
Catfish said:
Nothing is guaranteed. I'm not even sure why I jumped into this except your notion of range safety seems entirely out of sync with what I've been taught. I'm sure there are lots of different ways to not shoot someone. As long as there are rules and people are following them I'm reasonably happy. It's when folks are left to rely on their common sense that things get hairy. Everyone thinks they have it - I'm not sure it even exists.
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I never advocated any notion of gun safety so I am not sure how I am entirely out of sync with what you have been taught. I simply said (in not so many words) a cased gun can have a magazine inserted, chambered round, safety off, ready to rock, packed in with a bunch of crap that can shift and set the trigger off...so it is failed logic to assume a cased gun is ok to sweep/throw around or significantly safer to handle than a visible gun.

Tim said:
new pet peeve...Folks that use edge case examples to dismiss well-established practices.
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I get out in the world...this is far from "edge case" Work the counter at an indoor range and see what comes in and out of there in bags and cases.
 
Remshooter said:
Found three ticks crawling up my leg after I put out my 100 yard target on the berm the other day. Man I hate ticks. No more walking to the target. Four wheeler only for the rest of the summer!
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Ticks are predicted to be bad this year. Worse than most years.
 
My range is pretty laid back, with pretty responsible shooters. No RO, we're b8g boys and girls. Not much to complain about, really. Most of the usuals have already been covered here.

I did have a guy tell me he needed to see my tax stamps for my supressors once :mad:
Once.
He hasn't spoken to me in a year and a half now :rolleyes:
 
Ikarus1 said:
The fact that I'm going to a public range is my pet peeve. I like shooting steel, and most public outdoor ranges poo-poo that. So I made my own.

I do cringe when the sheriff rolls by because some moron 3 miles away doesn't like gunfire sounds on a cold winter's day and the sound carries.
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Ask him to try out your steel next time he is in the area. :)
 
I guess I'm pretty lucky. I'm a member of two private gun clubs. Both of them are outdoors and neither one has range officers. Most of my shooting happens Monday through Friday when neither range is very busy and usually I'm shooting by myself or with a trusted friend. I guess the worst thing that happens to me is I run out of ammo before I'm ready to leave. If I'm at the range it's usually going to be a great day
 
rdinatal said:
I was trying to think how to convey this. Yep, you have it just about right...

As an example. When I started DCM, not quite as old as dirt, say about 1977 or so... One old timer told me that to shoot this discipline means that you need to concentrate on the target, yourself, and nothing else, not even if hot brass gets in your shirt collar. That's the truth as the rules say you must contend with 'normal' range issues including HOT brass, noise, and farts (another story). Let's face it, the range is loud and distracting, but it should be safe.
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The thing is, the way these comps and brakes are designed, they send out double/triple etc the amount of normal blast directly out to the rear/side. The shooter doesn’t feel it. It exacerbates the muzzle blast and makes a .308 have a more stout concussion than a smooth crowned .50 BMG. You literally need ear plugs covered with muffs to prevent damage since the sound travels through bone at a certain level and even then it won’t stop it all. @JustKeepSwimming had double ear pro on two lanes away this past Saturday and the shooter’s brake was affecting him on the other side of me, just as an example

I do agree guns are loud, but that’s why I buy suppressors and shoot outdoors. Devices that are known to make already loud firearms even more so can be employed respectfully.
 
The clown with the 338 Lapua (with a brake) who target shoots at 50-100 yards. The brake on that thing was ridiculous.
 
You guys and gals complain about some stoopeede stuff. Let’s get get real and talk about important pet peeves!

When was the last time you were at a range and there was a hotdog stand?!!! The word “NEVER” comes to my mind. They won’t even let you set up a grill or a smoker on the firing line. I mean REALLY! I was at Blackstock in Charlotte and had just barely gotten the charcoal chimney going and all hell breaks loose. I just don’t understand. I brought enough for everybody.

My only other pet peeve is that there’s no nekked shooting days or events. Go ahead and try that one at your local range. It turned out worse than trying to get the grill going! I just don’t understand
 
Tim said:
new pet peeve...Folks that use edge case examples to dismiss well-established practices.
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What is well established for one place may not be appropriate for a different place. Facilities and conditions at one range may be quite different from those at another range. A careless gun handler is going to be careless everywhere and safe gun handlers are going to be safe everywhere. I certainly understand the benefit of keeping a firearm cased until getting to the shooting line or to a designated safe area. We do that during some matches at my club.

Mention was made earlier of concealed handguns carried onto the range property. We have a cold range that dictates that visible firearms need to be unloaded with any magazine removed until the person is getting ready to fire. We do not worry about legally concealed handguns that remain concealed.
 
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