I can break even a Glock!!

Millie

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On a "happier" note than my post just put up, I had about 4 failures to feed in the new G19! Only I can mess up a Glock, evidently. This also happened once to the 1911 .45......

The guns seem fine after their "issues", but time will tell. I'll keep you guys posted after I get back to shooting.
 
Can you describe what happens?
 
Can you describe what happens?
The round is tilted nose way up, tail way down, is the best I can describe it, and slide won't close. I've never seen that before. And in 2 different guns. That both belong to me. And on the same dang day!!
 
I doubt the gun is broke. Could you possible limp worsting the gun?




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Nope, Billy looked at my hands. We think it wasn't me....lol.
PS Watched the video. I should mention, I've shot about 1,000 rounds in this gun since I bought it. It's never had any issues, and the gun was clean this morning when we began. It's never had a stovepipe, and never had a failure to fire. Just the live round jammed up at an angle in there, so the slide couldn't close, today. Nobody was more shocked that we were!
 
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An unfired round or the empty casing?
 
An unfired round or the empty casing?
The live round jammed up in the gun, at a pretty steep angle, nose up, so the slide couldn't close as normal.
 
Factory Glock mags?


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Yes, everything is as I bought it, I've done nothing to it but the cleaning recommended in the manual before I shot it the first time.
 
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Yes, everything is as I bought it, I've done nothing to it but the cleaning recommended in the manual before I shot it the first time.
There’s your problem ... Glock like being dirty girls.

Serious note ... Same mag? How are you loading ... thumb or loader? If loader what type? Years back I got into tapping my mags on the back to seat all the rounds back into the mag and stacked uniformly.
 
There’s your problem ... Glock like being dirty girls.

Serious note ... Same mag? How are you loading ... thumb or loader? If loader what type? Years back I got into tapping my mags on the back to seat all the rounds back into the mag and stacked uniformly.
I use a Lula (?) loader, and I tap the magazine (as I do with all of them), factory in the box magazines.

I like to let the guns get a bit dirty to see when they start giving issues, but it was covering me in black stuff Friday, and I figured it was time....lol. Maybe it wasn't?
 
Well Lula and you tap ... that pretty much rules out loading.

Does it happen on a fully loaded mag ... mid mag ... or end ... or just random?

As to dirty ... half joking about it but I’ve run a G17 a couple thousand rounds without cleaning and had no increase in “stuff” flying back ... but I can tell the difference in schmutz kicked back from cheap ammo and cleaner burning ammo. When I run cheap crap like Wolf or such I get covered but when I burn in a new carry load with way cleaner burning powders I don’t get near the blow back. Typically I’ll do a very basic field strip and wipe down anything after range with a silicone rag especially when running crap ammo but that’s about it. A full clean is more when function or accuracy start to ge questioned, being put into storage or my EDC receiving its monthly maintenance (wipe down, lube and swabbed barrel for dust bunnies.
 
Well Lula and you tap ... that pretty much rules out loading.

Does it happen on a fully loaded mag ... mid mag ... or end ... or just random?

As to dirty ... half joking about it but I’ve run a G17 a couple thousand rounds without cleaning and had no increase in “stuff” flying back ... but I can tell the difference in schmutz kicked back from cheap ammo and cleaner burning ammo. When I run cheap crap like Wolf or such I get covered but when I burn in a new carry load with way cleaner burning powders I don’t get near the blow back. Typically I’ll do a very basic field strip and wipe down anything after range with a silicone rag especially when running crap ammo but that’s about it. A full clean is more when function or accuracy start to ge questioned, being put into storage or my EDC receiving its monthly maintenance (wipe down, lube and swabbed barrel for dust bunnies.
Not sure where in the magazine we were.
I've only used Fiocchi in this gun. Nearing 1,000 rounds I got a few flakes on my arms, but Friday I was pretty close to 1,000 and the stuff was everywhere, arms, face, new shirt...a real mess. So I cleaned it.
 
Millie........you will never touch any of my guns.

Dilly Dilly!
You're very wise! I got the bad juju.....or just really bad luck picking guns to buy!
 
Sometimes I've had rounds like that from the mag not seating 100% in the mag well. Or a defective follower or spring.
 
Was this a new batch of ammo or the same batch you had been shooting?

What kind of lube are you putting on the slide rails?

Try another brand of ammo and if the issue happens again mark the magazine it happens on to see if it is the same mag or multiple magazines. There are a couple things that can cause this, but most should not happen in 1k of shooting.
 
You said it was Fiocchi but didn’t mention the weight. 115gr or 124gr? The 115s are sort of long and pointy. Try a different bullet profile

The failure with the 1911 was probably just because it’s a 1911 and causing confusion. I’d focus on the Glock because we have more info and more occurrences

I’d let someone else shoot it and see if it replicates with them. If not....then if the issue repeats with you, then it’s likely shooter induced
 
Glocks are notoriously *not* ammo picky.

The only time I get the bolt-over-base malfunction in my g19s its a weak mag spring. Unlikely in a new gun but still possible.
 
Can you describe what happens?
On the 1911 it was the first round out of the mag on the first loading of the day. I saw why and did not correct it. She rides the slide when loading. That slide is Not your friend. Don't try to push it into battery...Let her Rip!!! No mare failures in the 1911.
As to the Glock...I could not duplicate it. It was everytime with her firing with one hand, but Not EVERYtime. 4 outta about 50 with one hand.

ETA...all were while she was shooting Speed Rocks. I am tempted at this stage to lean toward Limp Wrist. All were one handed and all were in Speed Rock mode. I am almost 100% it was grip. In full arm extended one hand shooting No Probs. I tried duplicating by shooting it with two Fingers only. It ran perfect for me . Millie is "special". However when our guys hear someone say...I've got an auto that has Never had a Malfunction...they all say...bring it to Battery Oaks.
 
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On the 1911 it was the first round out of the mag on the first loading of the day. I saw why and did not correct it. She rides the slide when loading. That slide is Not your friend. Don't try to push it into battery...Let her Rip!!! No mare failures in the 1911.
As to the Glock...I could not duplicate it. It was everytime with her firing with one hand, but Not EVERYtime. 4 outta about 50 with one hand.

ETA...all were while she was shooting Speed Rocks. I am tempted at this stage to lean toward Limp Wrist. All were one handed and all were in Speed Rock mode. I am almost 100% it was grip. In full arm extended one hand shooting No Probs. I tried duplicating by shooting it with two Fingers only. It ran perfect for me . Millie is "special". However when our guys hear someone say...I've got an auto that has Never had a Malfunction...they all say...bring it to Battery Oaks.
With this information I say limp wristing was the cause
 
Same malfunction on 2 different firearms? I'd tend to think it's a shooter error not an equipment error. Grip, limp wristing etc. Something has to be outta whack.
Well, you might possibly be right, but Eagle-Eye Billy was right there watching my hands, so.....
He didn't bark at me about my grip, or wrists, or the ever-charming "stop snatching the trigger" , so I'm thinking it was me, but not my grip, or other "normal" person issue....it's just ME....lol. And it didn't happen after that, because I went and shot a magazine in the G19 and in the .45, just to let off steam/stress, and they did fine! Not sure what exactly was going on, but it happened, it passed, and they shot fine after that. I'll see what happens as they get shot more.
 
On the 1911 it was the first round out of the mag on the first loading of the day. I saw why and did not correct it. She rides the slide when loading. That slide is Not your friend. Don't try to push it into battery...Let her Rip!!! No mare failures in the 1911.
As to the Glock...I could not duplicate it. It was everytime with her firing with one hand, but Not EVERYtime. 4 outta about 50 with one hand.

ETA...all were while she was shooting Speed Rocks. I am tempted at this stage to lean toward Limp Wrist. All were one handed and all were in Speed Rock mode. I am almost 100% it was grip. In full arm extended one hand shooting No Probs. I tried duplicating by shooting it with two Fingers only. It ran perfect for me . Millie is "special". However when our guys hear someone say...I've got an auto that has Never had a Malfunction...they all say...bring it to Battery Oaks.
 
I hadn't read this when I was responding to other replies. Ok, Billy has had his eyes on my shooting for awhile, so now we know! LoL.

Those "speed rocks" were odd, and I had only done something like them once or twice in a class a few months ago. That had to have been it, my hand so close to my side, unused to shooting from there, I must have had a funky grip on it.
I'll need way more explanation on "riding the slide on the 1911 when loading", not sure I get what you meant?
The great news is it's not my new guns! I can correct things I'm doing, with enough time and practice. This is good.
 
2 words... Recoil Management
Wow, usually it's the famous limp wrist....I'll need more explanation on this, and where the heck were you yesterday? Did your STI break since I handled it? (I pray not.) Lol.
 
I'll need way more explanation on "riding the slide on the 1911 when loading", not sure I get what you meant?
It's called the slingshot method. Pull the slide all the way to the rear and turn it loose and let it slam home. You are not going to hurt the gun. It does it much faster and harder when you're firing it.
 
It's called the slingshot method. Pull the slide all the way to the rear and turn it loose and let it slam home. You are not going to hurt the gun. It does it much faster and harder when you're firing it.
I thought that was what I'd been doing all along, but I guess Billy saw that I wasn't. Sharp eyes!
 
On the 1911 it was the first round out of the mag on the first loading of the day. I saw why and did not correct it. She rides the slide when loading. That slide is Not your friend. Don't try to push it into battery...Let her Rip!!! No mare failures in the 1911.
As to the Glock...I could not duplicate it. It was everytime with her firing with one hand, but Not EVERYtime. 4 outta about 50 with one hand.

ETA...all were while she was shooting Speed Rocks. I am tempted at this stage to lean toward Limp Wrist. All were one handed and all were in Speed Rock mode. I am almost 100% it was grip. In full arm extended one hand shooting No Probs. I tried duplicating by shooting it with two Fingers only. It ran perfect for me . Millie is "special". However when our guys hear someone say...I've got an auto that has Never had a Malfunction...they all say...bring it to Battery Oaks.
In person diagnosis is always the best diagnosis.

Good job Mr. Billy! I was all set up to buy a cheap Glock though :(
 
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Not picking on you specifically Millie but this is something I tend to point out to newer shooters ... at first stick with one gun (or at least platform) and learn how to run it without any question. Swapping between say a DA/SA and a striker fired then a 1911 messes with my dumb old head enough much less someone new to shooting. Heck, that’s why I carry the same damn gun the same damn way 99% of the time ... I don’t trust myself enough to be smart enough able to think “Okay, what am I carrying today and how does it work?” I just draw and go on what I’ve drilled in my head for over 30 years and carried for almost 25.
 
Not picking on you specifically Millie but this is something I tend to point out to newer shooters ... at first stick with one gun (or at least platform) and learn how to run it without any question. Swapping between say a DA/SA and a striker fired then a 1911 messes with my dumb old head enough much less someone new to shooting. Heck, that’s why I carry the same damn gun the same damn way 99% of the time ... I don’t trust myself enough to be smart enough able to think “Okay, what am I carrying today and how does it work?” I just draw and go on what I’ve drilled in my head for over 30 years and carried for almost 25.

I think this is good advice and additionally, if you can master the Glock trigger, you will probably find that you shoot most other semi autos better also.
 
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I won't dismiss my friends who prefer to carry only one gun. Whatever works is what I say. They're comfortable and secure with their method and that's perfect.
But I personally don't believe that you can't come to terms with more than one. I have 7 in the carry rotation. Blindfold me, distract me in a strange noisy environment, kick me in the shin, yell in my ear...then pick any one of the 7, slap the grip in my hand and I'll immediately know which one it is and what to do with it. There is no thinking, it just is.
 
On a "happier" note than my post just put up, I had about 4 failures to feed in the new G19! Only I can mess up a Glock, evidently. This also happened once to the 1911 .45......
The guns seem fine after their "issues", but time will tell. I'll keep you guys posted after I get back to shooting.

Millie ever thought about taking up another hobby instead of shooting, Maybe like knitting. :D Just kidding
 
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