This election is far too important.... because the Supreme Court!

we could have had national reciprocity except the senate refused to bring the bill to a vote (the bill had over 35 co sponsors and would have easily passed. I cant Blame trump for this (even though he campaigned on it ) I see where Ex-libertarian anti gun VP candidate Bill Weld may primary Trump and I will not vote for Bill Weld I also most likely will not vote Libertarian as they all seem to support some policies that I just can not vote for. and the last Democrat I could have voted for was Zell Miller. I could and would vote for Ted Cruz (and did) in a primary against Trump. overall I feel the country is better off and the courts (9th especially) are getting more 2A and Constitution friendly. we will se how the Supreme court rules on the NYC transportation of firearms challenge (unless NYC drops the appeal to prevent a ruling) I support the wall. I support doing away with "birthright" citizenship for the children of people who are here illegally.
 
we could have had national reciprocity except the senate refused to bring the bill to a vote (the bill had over 35 co sponsors and would have easily passed. I cant Blame trump for this (even though he campaigned on it ) I see where Ex-libertarian anti gun VP candidate Bill Weld may primary Trump and I will not vote for Bill Weld I also most likely will not vote Libertarian as they all seem to support some policies that I just can not vote for. and the last Democrat I could have voted for was Zell Miller. I could and would vote for Ted Cruz (and did) in a primary against Trump. overall I feel the country is better off and the courts (9th especially) are getting more 2A and Constitution friendly. we will se how the Supreme court rules on the NYC transportation of firearms challenge (unless NYC drops the appeal to prevent a ruling) I support the wall. I support doing away with "birthright" citizenship for the children of people who are here illegally.

@vaskeet nailed it. Give me a true conservative in a primary and I'll vote against Trump. But voting for any of the 24 Democrats in the November would make me an accessory to treason.
 
I voted for him...

Not because I think he’s a good dude and not because I thought he’d be a good President, but because I had a hunch a Trump victory would cause upheaval...and the chaos that followed would cause the “masks to come off”, be they R or D. When true colors were shown and folks saw these slimy, corrupt jackasses (yeah...including Trump) for what they really were, I figured it may cause people to “wake up”, start thinking independently and stop playing the, “My dude’s better than your dude because he’s a R or D”...because really, there ain’t a whole helluva lot of difference.

Folks were too comfortable...the boat needed rocking.

Very true. Exposing the FBI/CIA/NSA/DNC corruption has been worth a bumpstock loss in my opinion...even more if some of those crooks go to jail. The bumpstock, suppressor, and red flag issues might be waking up the pro gun people that got way too lazy when Hillary lost...that is not a bad thing.

If trump starts pushing a large scale gun/semi-auto/magazine ban, switches to the open border sanctuary side, or starts some unnecessary war, I will vote Dem to get him out.
 
He officially lost mine on March 26th. If that's the kinda stuff the "biggest supporter of 2A" president pulls, what does he do when he has won a second term and needs not worry about voter backlash?

What happened on the 26th?


I’m not sure to be honest. I usually vote the lesser of two evils & there is the whole “keeping us from war with NK. :/

In all fairness, the war with NK isnt much of anything. I mean, it wasnt like we were on the brink before DT, unless you/someone was really super scared over his failed launch tests etc



I like the economy under Trump, and hope it can continue on an uphill tick. Though, I do worry, it's been about a decade since our last recession and, unfortunately, based on history, we're about 'due' for one.
I hope that aint the case.
 
I think of all the poor 2A things Trump has done and then I look at the Repugs. They are no friend of the 2nd.

This least of two evils thing is getting old.
 
I think of all the poor 2A things Trump has done and then I look at the Repugs. They are no friend of the 2nd.

This least of two evils thing is getting old.
Other that the bump stock what anti 2 A policies have been enacted or passed by Trump The suppressor thing is just words at this point.
 
The bumpstock thing was just words at one point.

The truly depressing thing about it all (if one were to allow ones moods to be dictated by morons) is that Obama actually did more for gun rights than any (R) in my life time. Not only did he not enact any anti-gun legislation, his mere presence caused millions of people to get off the fence and become gun owners “because he might ban them”. And now, we have all these new gun owners who feel Trump to be a friend of the NRA and their rights who are more than happy to accept bump stock restrictions and now possibly silencers.




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Question for all you "We have to vote Trump" guys: What would Trump have to do to lose your vote? Anything? This is a serious question.

Terry

The better question would be: "Why did/would you vote for Trump?"

I voted for Trump in the 2016 primary because he was the strongest among the few Republican candidates who were not Establishment globalists.
I voted for Trump in the 2016 general election because he was not Hillary.
I would vote for Trump in the 2020 primary if he is still the strongest non-globalist Republican candidate (definitely not Romney or Bush or similar).
I would vote for Trump in the 2020 general election because he is not a socialist, which appears to be the direction in which the Democrats are going.
 
The truly depressing thing about it all (if one were to allow ones moods to be dictated by morons) is that Obama actually did more for gun rights than any (R) in my life time. Not only did he not enact any anti-gun legislation, his mere presence caused millions of people to get off the fence and become gun owners “because he might ban them”. And now, we have all these new gun owners who feel Trump to be a friend of the NRA and their rights who are more than happy to accept bump stock restrictions and now possibly silencers.




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I can't tell you how many people I have seen in discussions or comments on posts saying "I am a strong advocate for gun Rights, but the only reason to have a silencer is to assassinate people or murder people while hiding the sound of your gun."

It's Fudds Gone Wild lunacy...
 
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Question for all you "We have to vote Trump" guys: What would Trump have to do to lose your vote? Anything? This is a serious question.

Terry
I asked that in another thread and the answer is nothing. As long as there is an R next to someone's name they will vote for them.
 
The truly depressing thing about it all (if one were to allow ones moods to be dictated by morons) is that Obama actually did more for gun rights than any (R) in my life time. Not only did he not enact any anti-gun legislation, his mere presence caused millions of people to get off the fence and become gun owners “because he might ban them”. And now, we have all these new gun owners who feel Trump to be a friend of the NRA and their rights who are more than happy to accept bump stock restrictions and now possibly silencers.

I can't tell you how many people I have seen in discussions or comments on posts saying "I am a strong advocate for get n Rights, but the only reason to have a silencer is to assassinate people or murder people while hiding the sound of your gun."

It's Fudds Gone Wild lunacy...


Agree 100%.

I never fail to be amazed at the number of folks who will give Trump a “pass” on bumpstocks and “suppresors”, yet, if it were a Democrat who had done it (in all reality, it pretty much was, but that’s a subject for another thread), folks’d be up in arms over it.

“Well...Shane...ya just gotta understand he did/is doing what he had to do because of the political climate. It’s not that he’s anti-gun, but he had to do ‘something’...it was the expedient thing to do.”

B.S.

That’s called cowardice...not standing for what is right...folding under political pressure.

Now...during the campaign, he didn’t seem to have any reservation at all about being “in your face” about Hillary and how she should go to prison. Even though his comments may have been unpopular with a good number of folks, he kept right at it, hammering away at how corrupt she was.

Why will he not take the same stance on the RTKBA? Why is he catering to the antis? Where’s the dude that should be standing firm and saying, “Hey...it is a RIGHT...and we’re not touching it!”
 
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so as of this point its only the Bump stock? just trying to see "all" the anti 2A things he has done

Still more than the last Administration did. Hell, if Obama said he didn't like something gun related, you Trumpa Loompas would be up in arms (not literally - I think we both know where some folks stand on that issue) talking about how Obummer was comin' fer yur gunz and how we needed to stand and fight Obama's "latest gun grab."

You want to know why the GOP keep on poundin' that ass into a ground beef looking mass of a pink windsock? Because the base never holds them accountable for the rape and instead take solace that the other rapist would say things you don't like or agree with during the involuntary coitus.

And that's precisely how we have gotten to where we are in these United States.
 
I think of all the poor 2A things Trump has done and then I look at the Repugs. They are no friend of the 2nd.

This least of two evils thing is getting old.

On the gun issue Trump might have been the lesser of two evils but I guarantee nobody else that ran for president in any party was ready to take on the corrupt FBI/Swamp, the corrupt media, the lying democrats/communists, and the globalists like Trump.

If you (the generic "you") all are sitting around waiting for the perfect candidate, or think you will find one after you sabotage the process and this theoretical second revolution happens, you are delusional.
 
Still more than the last Administration did. Hell, if Obama said he didn't like something gun related, you Trumpa Loompas would be up in arms (not literally - I think we both know where some folks stand on that issue) talking about how Obummer was comin' fer yur gunz and how we needed to stand and fight Obama's "latest gun grab."

You want to know why the GOP keep on poundin' that ass into a ground beef looking mass of a pink windsock? Because the base never holds them accountable for the rape and instead take solace that the other rapist would say things you don't like or agree with during the involuntary coitus.

And that's precisely how we have gotten to where we are in these United States.
Is this Trump's fault or your (and the base's) fault?

Trump is obviously not on tv crying about gun violence every time a thug gets shot in Chicago. I don't see any stories where Trump is having the ATF run guns into Mexico to overstate the threat of FFLs selling semi-automatic AKs.
 
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so as of this point its only the Bump stock? just trying to see "all" the anti 2A things he has done

Appointing an known anti-gun Attorney General and Director of ATF were not helpful that is for sure. "I prefer to take the guns and do the due process later" was a major mis-step. He could use a good 2A education from the GOA vs the NRA.
 
I’m not sure to be honest. I usually vote the lesser of two evils & there is the whole “keeping us from war with NK. :/
The problem with voting for "the lesser of two evils" is that you still get evil. And, the line between them gets thinner and thinner.

Terry
 
The problem with voting for "the lesser of two evils" is that you still get evil. And, the line between them gets thinner and thinner.

Terry

The problem with >not< voting the lesser of two evils is that you nearly always end up with evil anyway, you just feel a bit better about yourself.


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Now...during the campaign, he didn’t seem to have any reservation at all about being “in your face” about Hillary and how she should go to prison. Even though his comments may have been unpopular with a good number of folks, he kept right at it, hammering away at how corrupt she was.
And yet, Hillary has still not been held accountable for anything much less seen the inside of a prison cell. And she never will as long as the Ds and Rs are in power.

Terry
 
The truly depressing thing about it all (if one were to allow ones moods to be dictated by morons) is that Obama actually did more for gun rights than any (R) in my life time. Not only did he not enact any anti-gun legislation, his mere presence caused millions of people to get off the fence and become gun owners “because he might ban them”. And now, we have all these new gun owners who feel Trump to be a friend of the NRA and their rights who are more than happy to accept bump stock restrictions and now possibly silencers.




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Chill out with that sort of talk, we all know that African Muslim was anti-American and destroyed this nation.
 
The problem with >not< voting the lesser of two evils is that you nearly always end up with evil anyway, you just feel a bit better about yourself.


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The difference is that I didn't give my consent and approval to evil!

Terry
 
Is this Trump's fault or your (and the base's) fault?

Trump is obviously not on tv crying about gun violence every time a thug gets shot in Chicago. I don't see any stories where Trump is having the ATF run guns into Mexico to overstate the threat of FFLs selling semi-automatic AKs.

I'm not part of the base you're looking for there guy. In an election between a NY Democrat and an Arkansas Democrat, I didn't vote for a Democrat.

So.....might want to be more precise with that finger-waggin' jaw jabbering.
 
On the gun issue Trump might have been the lesser of two evils but I guarantee nobody else that ran for president in any party was ready to take on the corrupt FBI/Swamp, the corrupt media, the lying democrats/communists, and the globalists like Trump.

If you (the generic "you") all are sitting around waiting for the perfect candidate, or think you will find one after you sabotage the process and this theoretical second revolution happens, you are delusional.
What has Trump done to the swamp? Don't get me wrong, I voted for Trump, and I don't think anyone is waiting for a perfect candidate. He just seems to be coming the swamp other than screaming back like the Democrats do.
 
All of DC is a swamp! Where's the republic? This is a friggin Sodom Confederacy, a monarchy, that makes "as in the days of Noah" look like a childs play. Satan has got his claws in America, big time. When is everyone gonna see... We've been played, scamed, duped. How is it that you just can't see that this lot thinks they're the only real Sovereigns? They literally think they're gods. We're in this forum going back and forth about, lesser of two evils, gun rights this, gun rights that, maybe we need king. All the while divided, weak. It literally makes me sick to my stomach. I can't stand it! I hate it! Why are we not teaching each other, helping each other, to enact a change for the better? All that has happened since 9/11 stinks, I smell a skunk. This election don't mean nothing! Except We are gonna get a new ruler, or maybe the same tyrant. It doesn't matter where I go, You Tube, Facebook, CFF, work, EVERYWHERE, people are complaining about the same thing... GOVERNMENT! Everyone seems lost, cofused, out of focuse with reality. The reality is, as bad as it sounds, we are at war. I hear the drums, getting louder and louder. We're scattered abroad, unorganized at home. They're coming for We The People. Trump himself said it, he ran on what We The People wanted, and when he got in... ATTACK! He has shown The People, DCs organized crime rings true colors, all the wolves have shed their sheep skin. They're ready, and they're smart, and they've been preparing for this for a long time. Where's America? Where's Amercans who are willing to say enough? Quit pandering around the truth, and say what's really got to happen. Vote? Your joking right. If any one of us would have committed the cimes they have, we'd done been hauled in. It doesn't matter who you are, Military, Law Enforcement, or average Joe Citizen, We would be done. This election? I'm at loss... Who do we have? Pedo Joe, Camilla Harass(nope), Donald Trump(gun grabber), Cory Booker(wants to abolish the Constitution altogether), how about Pocahontas(liar). Where's the silver lining folks? Who? I really don't understand why some folks in here want to live in the past either. Obummers presidency is over. I damn sure don't wanna bring that scumbag back, I didn't feel too good about paying 5 dollars a gallon for ⛽, when I was at the poorest time in my life. Give me somebody Good... What you guys got?
 
My wife (and others) tell me that I should. Not something I’m really interested in as far as appeal, but then I wouldn’t be easily had by the bribery and other crap that makes politicians go bad.
 
My wife (and others) tell me that I should. Not something I’m really interested in as far as appeal, but then I wouldn’t be easily had by the bribery and other crap that makes politicians go bad.
If me you and everyone else in this forum combined every cent we had... It still probably wouldn't be enough to get your name heard. Unless you got some kinda BIG corporation backing you, or other countries. You've lost the fight already.
 
we could have had national reciprocity except the senate refused to bring the bill to a vote (the bill had over 35 co sponsors and would have easily passed. I cant Blame trump for this (even though he campaigned on it ) I see where Ex-libertarian anti gun VP candidate Bill Weld may primary Trump and I will not vote for Bill Weld I also most likely will not vote Libertarian as they all seem to support some policies that I just can not vote for. and the last Democrat I could have voted for was Zell Miller. I could and would vote for Ted Cruz (and did) in a primary against Trump. overall I feel the country is better off and the courts (9th especially) are getting more 2A and Constitution friendly. we will se how the Supreme court rules on the NYC transportation of firearms challenge (unless NYC drops the appeal to prevent a ruling) I support the wall. I support doing away with "birthright" citizenship for the children of people who are here illegally.
Bill Weld is not a libertarian, far from it. Being in the libertarian party to run as VP doesn’t make one a philosophical libertarian. He’s more leftist.

I absolutely can’t stand most of the libertarian party, but I’m a libertarian. The party calling themselves “The Libertarian Party” has too much leftist socialist ideology for us real libertarians. Just look at the advocation of the libertarian party for a universal income. That’s not fiscal conservatism which libertarians are for, nor libertarianism. That’s straight up socialism and far left ideology. The term libertarian is being highjacked. A libertarian is actually far right, and for a very limited government, with the useful purpose of such a federal government being to protect individual rights and defend our nation. Libertarians believe government should stay out of everyone’s business, and only intervene when someone’s rights are being violated. A true libertarian would believe too many government run programs is a bad thing.

Some of the politicians calling themselves libertarians are not. Just like some of the Republicans calling themselves Republicans are not, and some of these conservatives calling themselves such are anything but conservative. Just look at the recent vote on Republican and libertarian leaning and fiscal conservative politician Rand Paul’s bill to balance the budget, so called Republicans and Conservatives voting against doing such, and President Trump not coming out to push for it.
 
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If me you and everyone else in this forum combined every cent we had... It still probably wouldn't be enough to get your name heard. Unless you got some kinda BIG corporation backing you, or other countries. You've lost the fight already.
One would have to start small: school board, town council, etc. Whether or not you would be able to move forward from there, and how is a serious question. Still, it could be argued that one would have the greatest impact at the local level. You're correct that the process is corrupted by the money involved. That above all else is probably a good bit of the problem overall.

I absolutely can’t stand most of the libertarian party, but I’m a libertarian.
Agreed. The libertarian party isn've very libertarian. I also find the term "RINO" to be rather humourous - and would submit that 'rino' IS the party and that the party simply doesn't represent their values.
 
The truly depressing thing about it all (if one were to allow ones moods to be dictated by morons) is that Obama actually did more for gun rights than any (R) in my life time. Not only did he not enact any anti-gun legislation, his mere presence caused millions of people to get off the fence and become gun owners “because he might ban them”. And now, we have all these new gun owners who feel Trump to be a friend of the NRA and their rights who are more than happy to accept bump stock restrictions and now possibly silencers. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

That is very true about energizing the gun owners and 2A lovers. The other thing he did was to energize the gun, 2A, Constitution, capitalism, history, and America haters. These Antifa folks grew up during his presidency and were constantly bombarded with hatred for the things I mentioned and developed their mindless philosophy around that hatred. They swallowed the propaganda because it was fed to them by the media and by their president. Anything that did not fit into the guidelines of that propaganda was seen as evil, racist, and inhumane. In short, he was the spark that caused the greatest divide between political philosophies that we have seen in a long time. Even many of the people who identified with the right have been swayed more to the left because of this sharp divide.

He may not have presided over the destruction of gun rights but certainly did plant the seeds and fertilized the soil in the hope that his desires would grow and bear fruit in the future. What he planted was not good seeds but rather weed seeds. We see the seeds has sprouted, and the plants are growing. We hope the weeds will be rooted out before they can take over completely and kill all the good plants.
 
That is very true about energizing the gun owners and 2A lovers. The other thing he did was to energize the gun, 2A, Constitution, capitalism, history, and America haters. These Antifa folks grew up during his presidency and were constantly bombarded with hatred for the things I mentioned and developed their mindless philosophy around that hatred. They swallowed the propaganda because it was fed to them by the media and by their president. Anything that did not fit into the guidelines of that propaganda was seen as evil, racist, and inhumane. In short, he was the spark that caused the greatest divide between political philosophies that we have seen in a long time. Even many of the people who identified with the right have been swayed more to the left because of this sharp divide.

He may not have presided over the destruction of gun rights but certainly did plant the seeds and fertilized the soil in the hope that his desires would grow and bear fruit in the future. What he planted was not good seeds but rather weed seeds. We see the seeds has sprouted, and the plants are growing. We hope the weeds will be rooted out before they can take over completely and kill all the good plants.
That makes perfect sence. That's kinda what I've been seeing. How does a People, facing economic strife, violence, and hatred toward a way of life we've known and loved for so long move forward, without an all out war?
 
You may not have lived through the 1960's with all the divisions present then, but many of the long haired hippie weirdo freaks eventually aged out of their mindset when they had to go out into the real world and make some money. The communes so popular then did not last very long after they found out their system just does not work as well as they had hoped. The Summer of Love in SF turned into something fairly ugly the next year when people tried to milk the system instead of contributing to it.

My hope is that this mindless fad of Antifa will pass the way of the hippies once they get their head out of the clouds and face a little reality. There were leaders back in the 1960's who made a lot of noise to keep the philosophy alive and active because they profited personally from the movement. There are evil people like that today whose existence depends on them keeping their dupes under their thumbs. I hope the dupes have a short enough attention span that they will drift away from the lie that they so desperately want to be true.
 
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