I can break even a Glock!!

Millie ever thought about taking up another hobby instead of shooting, Maybe like knitting. :D Just kidding
I used to crochet, at least you can't hurt a crochet hook, and it would be hard to stab someone with one (I guess, never tried it.)
Knitting is too complicated for me, 2 needles and all.....LoL. And those needles can be dangerous!
 
Lots of different guns, many of the same or similar issues. It’s the operator not all these guns.
 
Lots of different guns, many of the same or similar issues. It’s the operator not all these guns.
Well, to be fair, it was the two previous guns for sure. These two particular guns, it IS me, no doubt.
 
I used to crochet, at least you can't hurt a crochet hook, and it would be hard to stab someone with one (I guess, never tried it.)
Knitting is too complicated for me, 2 needles and all.....LoL. And those needles can be dangerous!
 
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Wow, usually it's the famous limp wrist....I'll need more explanation on this, and where the heck were you yesterday? Did your STI break since I handled it? (I pray not.) Lol.


"Limp Wrist" is kind of a generic term for "Lack of Recoil Management".... Remember when I did the demo with you and cycled the slide for you while you tried to hold the front sight on the target? We made a correction and you INSTANTLY shot a (5 ) shot group the size of a tennis ball at 7 yards. I think you have fallen back into your "old" ways... lol!
Get your wrists and grip placement fixed and DRIVE the gun..! Get your left thumb OFF the frame and slide...

I was pressure washing my house, sorry I missed ya! I will be at Battery Oaks a few times over the summer doing testing with Billy, maybe you will be in the neighborhood when we are on range. I'm hearing some soft rumblings of a possible CFF "Real World Scenario" handgun match at B.O. once the hot summer weather breaks. If it becomes a reality, It will be an eyeopener to one's actual shooting skill set. More on this as it develops..

The STI has had about 600 rounds ran through it since you shot it... It runs fine!
 
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"Limp Wrist" is kind of a generic term for "Lack of Recoil Management".... Remember when I did the demo with you and cycled the slide for you while you tried to hold the front sight on the target? We made a correction and you INSTANTLY shot a (5 ) shot group the size of a tennis ball at 7 yards. I think you have fallen back into your "old" ways... lol!

I was pressure washing my house, sorry I missed ya! I will be at Battery Oaks a few times over the summer doing testing with Billy, maybe you will be in the neighborhood when we are on range.

The STI has had about 600 rounds ran through it since you shot it... It runs fine!
I'm grateful I didn't put a jinx on your gun!

Maybe I need a refresher on the training you gave me! To be fair to my poor old wrists, we were doing some odd "positions" out of the holster. I'm sure I'll improve by doing them more. I'm glad it wasn't the guns. I can fix me, not so sure I can fix a gun issue!

Hope to see you at Billy's at some point, and for sure in October!
 
I'm grateful I didn't put a jinx on your gun!

Maybe I need a refresher on the training you gave me! To be fair to my poor old wrists, we were doing some odd "positions" out of the holster. I'm sure I'll improve by doing them more. I'm glad it wasn't the guns. I can fix me, not so sure I can fix a gun issue!

Hope to see you at Billy's at some point, and for sure in October!


Gotta get your basic skills burned into your subconscious... "Odd Postions out of the holster" are good to do, but if your basics are goofed up, it only makes the situation worse....

Think of it like this analogy.. You are still learning your A,B,C,s... You have to learn them WELL without second thought, before you can start spelling words and forming sentences CORRECTLY...

We'll meet up on the range at Billy's again fo sho!! lol
 
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Gotta get your basic skills burned into your subconscious... "Odd Postions out of the holster" are good to do, but if your basics are goofed up, it only make the situation worse....

Think of it like this analogy.. You are still learning your A,B,C,s... You have to learn them WELL without second thought, before you can start spelling words and forming sentences CORRECTLY...

We'll meet up on the range at Billy's again fo sho!! lol
Billy seemed pleased with my progress (till the you-know-what) and I did shoot both guns in the "regular" way right after the failures to feed, and they were fine. I think that odd holding of the gun was so new that I didn't really have a good grip.
 
Billy seemed pleased with my progress (till the you-know-what) and I did shoot both guns in the "regular" way right after the failures to feed, and they were fine. I think that odd holding of the gun was so new that I didn't really have a good grip.

Might be fatigue.... Did you procure some "hand springs" to help develop your grip and wrist strength ? Fatigue can cause "lack of Recoil Management"
 
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Might be fatigue.... Did you procure some "hand springs" to help develop your grip and wrist strength ?
Not yet. Can I just get stronger by shooting? That sounds a whole lot more fun.....
 
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Not yet. Can I just get stronger by shooting? That sounds a whole lot more fun.....


Sure,
Just shoot 100,000+ rounds. You will know you are ready to advance when you can demonstrate a skill(s) on demand. Anytime, anyplace, anywhere.... When you can do that, you have mastered the skill set and you advance from there. A set of light hand springs are cheap and you can exercise for free. Not many of us can shoot 100K a year, so we have to make the best of the time we get on the range.
 
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These work wonders for gun grip development...!
 
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Sure,
Just shoot 100,000+ rounds. You will know you are ready to advance when you can demonstrate a skill(s) on demand. Anytime, anyplace, anywhere.... When you can do that, you have mastered the skill set and you advance from there. A set of light hand springs are cheap and you can exercise for free. Not many of us can shoot 100K a year, so we have to make the best of the time we get on the range.
Point taken. I'd love to shoot that many rounds, but I'm not made of money. Lol.
I'll get some of those clamps and go for it.
 
Point taken. I'd love to shoot that many rounds, but I'm not made of money. Lol.
I'll get some of those clamps and go for it.

Work up slowly... Don't go crazy and overdo it.... You'll be fine... By the end of the summer, you should see some results in your grip strength..
 
That's called a Bolt Over Base misfeed. Most often the cause is a weak magazine spring that doesn't get the round up into feeding position before the slide rides over the rim, forcing the butt end down and the nose up. Next time it happens, look at the lower edge of the breechface. You'll see that it caught the case in the extractor groove.

An oversprung slide can contribute or even cause it...and yes, limp-wristing leading to short slide recoil can also be a player. The last possibility is weak ammunition causing short recoil.


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Well, you might possibly be right, but Eagle-Eye Billy was right there watching my hands, so.....
He didn't bark at me about my grip, or wrists, or the ever-charming "stop snatching the trigger" , so I'm thinking it was me, but not my grip, or other "normal" person issue....it's just ME....lol. And it didn't happen after that, because I went and shot a magazine in the G19 and in the .45, just to let off steam/stress, and they did fine! Not sure what exactly was going on, but it happened, it passed, and they shot fine after that. I'll see what happens as they get shot more.
Looking at your hands is not the way to troubleshoot this, having someone else shoot it is. If it doesn't happen to them, it's you.
 
That's called a Bolt Over Base misfeed. Most often the cause is a weak magazine spring that doesn't get the round up into feeding position before the slide rides over the rim, forcing the butt end down and the nose up. Next time it happens, look at the lower edge of the breechface. You'll see that it caught the case in the extractor groove.

An oversprung slide can contribute or even cause it...and yes, limp-wristing leading to short slide recoil can also be a player. The last possibility is weak ammunition causing short recoil.


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Call Wolff gunsprings to see if a lighter action/recoil spring is available for your model. If there is, I'd drop it about two pounds and see if the problem clears up. I'd wager that it will.
I'd wager you're right...……………..
 
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Call Wolff gunsprings to see if a lighter action/recoil spring is available for your model. If there is, I'd drop it about two pounds and see if the problem clears up. I'd wager that it will.
Actually, Billy thinks it was due to the "speed rocker" (or whatever) shooting I was doing. He thinks my hand wasn't solid on the grip because I was shooting when the gun was just barely out of the holster, down by my hip, close in to my side and shooting slightly upward at the steel. A weird position, for sure. The same thing happened with the 1911 .45 while doing the same drill. He posted it up in the thread somewhere, hope I got it right.

Afterward I shot a whole magazine in each gun in my usual arms-out way, and they were perfect, and I haven't had the issue since. It's not the guns (this time!) it's me! (And the odd position I was shooting from.)
 
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Well, now I'm confused....I thought it was the strange position I was shooting from. I was sure I read up in the thread about that, that I didn't have a proper grip on the gun. I guess I may be getting senile + now confused. lol.
 
..I thought it was the strange position I was shooting from.
I didn't have a proper grip on the gun.
We are both senile BUT what John Travis has suggested will make it Far more difficult to have the problem you are having Regardless of position.
 
Bolt Over Base misfeeds happen for one of two reasons. Either the slide is short stroking and not making the full trip rearward, or the slide is outrunning the magazine on the return trip.

Overspringing the slide seems to be the trend these days, and it's more prevalent in the models with short slides because they lack some of the necessary mass to get them back into battery...which is the "recoil" spring's purpose. Added to that is the fact that the chopped guns generally have a shorter runup than the full sized model...distance from the impact abutment to the magazine...and they need to use stiffer springs in order to accelerate the slide to a speed that will provide the needed momentum to strip and chamber the next round. All this makes the magazine spring's job more critical. If the magazine can't get the round into feeding position in time to meet the breechface, it will ride over the rim. In extreme cases, it can ride far enough over to gouge the side of the case and jam the gun up solidly.

Most often, when it's a weak magazine spring, it happens mainly or almost always on the last round or two. When it happens intermittently throughout the magazine, it's because the slide is oversprung...or at least oversprung for the shooter. Because women as a rule have smaller, weaker hands than men, it happens a lot to them. It happened to my daughter with a full sized 1911 with a 16 pound spring. Installing a 14 pound spring solved the problem.
 
When shooting speed rocks, be sure to lock your wrist.
I think that was my problem, because the G19 has been perfect when doing my usual arms out straight thing! That other was an awkward position for me, and I'm sure my grip was off.
 
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