Cop shoots man thru window

Ikarus1 said:
Jeez, it was almost murder:

"He suffered one gunshot wound to his aortic artery"

Never answer the door without body armor nowadays
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Or go near the window!


The alarm was a medical alarm too at that
 
Ok for starters:
The events in the video differ from the original account of the June 14 shooting that was reported by the Greenville County Sheriff's Office. In the video, the deputy shoots the man through the window of the Simpsonville house. Initially, the agency said the man was shot after he opened the door and pointed his gun at the deputy.
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Short version: he lied. He rang the door bell in what was apparently a medical alarm by a security system. Saw the homeowner through the window with a gun and shot him. This gets into a whole host of bad territory, but the comment that the homeowner "wasn't charged" is downright offensive.
That he lied makes this worse.

then:
Several seconds later, the man asks, "Why did you do that?" and the deputy responds, "You pointed a gun at me, man." The man replies, "Dude, you came to my house at 12 o'clock at night, I'm sleeping. (Expletive), I've got to protect my house."
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Trying to keep the emotion out of it and having deleted what I feel like posting, it is obvious that some sort of reset in regards to the perception of "authority" and "responsibility" on the part of the cops is called for especially when it comes to dealing with armed homeowners on or in their own property. There needs to be some sort of limit put in place.

Again, the cop lied.

AXON, a leading manufacturer of police body cameras, explains on its website that while in "buffer mode" body cameras are recording, but do not capture audio, and only create 30-second clips that are not saved to permanent memory until cameras are fully activated.
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Now that is, interesting. I'll just mention that my cell phone does a better job than that.

Edit to add: not only don't open the door, especially at night, but don't let yourself be seen through a window either.
 
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grungewehr39 said:
Man, when I think of at least a dozen times over the years I've done a 1am house check because I or the wife or kids heard something.
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Honestly, this is why we put in the Ring camera. I have another camera as well since so many people know what doorbell cams look like.
 
The guy said they don’t have a security system and the video mentioned it was a cellphone app “panic” alarm, I wonder if someone was dicking around with the phone app and accidentally hit the silent panic.

I did not see the door open prior to the shots being fired and did not see the homeowner point anything at the officer, I couldn’t tell if the cop just saw a gun and started shooting or if the homeowner actually pointed the gun at the officer, the video doesn’t have a good enough vantage point to see exactly what happened.
 
Tarowah said:
I couldn’t tell if the cop just saw a gun and started shooting or if the homeowner actually pointed the gun at the officer,
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Here's the rub. He was already caught lying about what happened. He could pinky swear that the homeowner pointed a gun at him and yelled I'm going to blow your MF'ing head off or anything else and because he was already caught in a lie would have ZERO credibility.
 
noway2 said:
Here's the rub. He was already caught lying about what happened. He could pinky swear that the homeowner pointed a gun at him and yelled I'm going to blow your MF'ing head off or anything else and because he was already caught in a lie would have ZERO credibility.
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I do not disagree, the whole situation it’s screwed up and I’m sure the cop will walk and the homeowner will get stuck footing the medical bill for being shot in his own home while doing the exact same thing any person that takes responsibility for their own safety and well being would have done.

I worked at the Greenville County jail back in the early 90s and the Sheriffs department was a solid agency back then, they were very, very good about treating citizens as “law abiding citizens” rather than subjects to be lorded over, it was a damn good place to work and I only met 1-2 “respect my authority” types when I was there, let’s hope the SO does the right thing.
 
Sad times we are living in. The police aren't properly trained, they are terrified and believe that the majority of the population hates them. This situation is even more troubling because there are some questions now about what REALLY happened. I agree that if the police officer lied, he becomes liable.

So if I'm in my house walking around with an AK47, I guess I'm a target. I have my blinds open and openly do "whatever" in my house. However, the fourth amendment protects me from unlawful search and seizure.

Very troubling. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. Or, that's what I've learned over the years.
 
Button Pusher said:
What ever happened to 'Sheriff Dept. make yourself known'?
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Or even better, how about,” sheriff’s dept. we received an emergency medical alert. Is everything ok?” No need to try to get “authoritative” and “commands”.
 
Don’t call the cops, don’t have apps on your phone that summon the cops.

Cops seem to have a double set trigger and most of them are already set before they get there.

Don’t back lite yourself. Don’t stand there gazing out the window at someone spotting you with a light. Move away and take a position of cover.

Now if the door is broken open, lay on the horn and don’t come up for air until slide lock.

Oh and did I mention don’t call the cops.
 
So I mentioned this to a friend that is a cop. He said ever since Michael Brown issues in Ferguson and the Trayvon (I know it was not a cop that shot him) Case and a few others that caused the Obama administration to not really stop any violence that came from those issues. He said cops are now so jumpy and scared that they do not do the right things anymore. He said the older ones no longer care about working as much they just want to retire knowing most of the populace hates them. The younger ones want to make a name for themselves and fight and be a bad ass until such time as they get whipped and then end up doing stupid things like shooting someone that really didn’t need it. It made me ponder that thought I don’t really know if it is 100 percent true but part of it definitely seem to ring true from what I have seen
 
@noway2

ad territory, but the comment that the homeowner "wasn't charged" is downright offensive.
That he lied makes this worse.


Your comment above leads me to make a point If you had shot the cop, would you be charged or not? So, why has the cop not yet been charged? I am not saying he is or isn’t going to be nor should or should not be charged I am merely tossing out another discussion topic
 
BlackGun said:
Well all I can say is you shouldn’t be in your own home with a gun and @Cpippen I find it unfair that you did not put this in special access where I can unleash my true feelings.
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It can be moved if the mods deem it so, I figured it would end up there eventually anyways. These discussion typically do
 
Cpippen said:
So I mentioned this to a friend that is a cop. He said ever since Michael Brown issues in Ferguson and the Trayvon (I know it was not a cop that shot him) Case and a few others that caused the Obama administration to not really stop any violence that came from those issues. He said cops are now so jumpy and scared that they do not do the right things anymore. He said the older ones no longer care about working as much they just want to retire knowing most of the populace hates them. The younger ones want to make a name for themselves and fight and be a bad ass until such time as they get whipped and then end up doing stupid things like shooting someone that really didn’t need it. It made me ponder that thought I don’t really know if it is 100 percent true but part of it definitely seem to ring true from what I have seen
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Pretty damned telling when all the actual evidence says being a cop isn’t in the top ten dangerous jobs in the country, and that it has never been safer to be one than it is now (with data all the way back to the 1880s). They don’t have shit to be scared of except for all the Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark from Dave Grossman and Company.

There is a professional psychosis that sees a war where none is present, as crime rates plummet to decades long lows yet unhinged violence from law enforcement against the population skyrockets (or for a more optimistic viewpoint, “the way it’s always been” just gets filmed all the time now) - whether it’s unarmed victims, legal concealed carriers, toddlers in their beds, family pets, veterans, women seeking help after being assaulted, or innocent fathers, on their knees, begging and crying for the Boys in Blue not to kill them - getting gunned down. Then the Thin Blue Pansies gets hired back, in total secrecy, so they can collect a PTSD pension for killing poor, crying Dad.

I have never seen a group of grown men so paranoid and delusional about their lives and their place in the world - complete with a thin veneer of machismo more fragile than eggshells - demanding they be thanked for going to work everyday just like everybody else.

The only guys in the military that I know who behave the same way were, without exception, shitbags and rear echelon types that make sure everyone knows they served, even if they never actually did anything of note.

So spit on ye hands mateys, hoist the black flag, full sail if ye please.....so that we may be frank in this discussion.
 
I know I told this story before but other than shots fired, this happened to me. Door opening like in the video.

Wife wakes me from a dead sleep saying someone is breaking in the front door. Loud beating on the metal door echoing thru a high ceiling foyer. I grab the 45 and immediately head down the steps which face the front door. A flashlight is waving thru the side glass panels. Half way down the steps my wife grabs my arm announcing it’s the police so I give her the gun while I watch the officer staring at me during the exchange.

Officer was sent because my phone service was not working and my father was not expected to live thru the morning at the Salisbury VA. Cop never shot me thru my window, saw the gun and exchange. The next day my wife saw the officer at work giving him an apology for the encounter. Not once did the officer announce he was law enforcement, nor a blue light on.
 
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BlackGun said:
Wife wakes me from a dead sleep saying someone is breaking in the front door. Loud beating on the metal door echoing thru a high ceiling foyer. I grab the 45 and immediately head down the steps which face the front door. A flashlight is waving thru the side glass panels. Half way down the steps my wife grabs my arm announcing it’s the police so I give her the gun while I watch the officer staring at me during the exchange.
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Something similar happened to a coworker. Apparently someone with the same first and last name (common name) made a public suicide declaration and they called in a cell phone locate for the guy and got my coworker, or something to that effect. He almost answered the door with a shotgun at the ready because he was awoken by his dog going ape at the cop poking around the house looking in the windows. Took several minutes before he even realized it was a cop.
 
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Cpippen said:
He said cops are now so jumpy and scared that they do not do the right things anymore. He said the older ones no longer care about working as much they just want to retire knowing most of the populace hates them.
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Consider what policing has turned into and what it’s being used for and how that has changed in just your lifetime. Do that and you’ll start to see the problem.
 
noway2 said:
Consider what policing has turned into and what it’s being used for and how that has changed in just your lifetime. Do that and you’ll start to see the problem.
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BINGO! No one wants to hate cops when they are doing what we OSTENSIBLY hire them to do, which is serve as protectors of the peace and our liberties. It is this bullsh!t about "law enforcement" that is turning those who would normally be the biggest cheerleaders into hostile, sullen "cop haters."
 
noway2 said:
Something similar happened to a coworker. Apparently someone with the same first and last name (common name) made a public suicide declaration and they called in a cell phone locate for the guy and got my coworker, or something to that effect. He almost answered the door with a shotgun at the ready because he was awoken by his dog going ape at the cop poking around the house looking in the windows. Took several minutes before he even realized it was a cop.
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Still have his dog??
 
I think a lot of these problems could be solved if police dropped the warrior attitude that they're trying to cultivate and went back to seeing themselves as public servants who protect the peace of their communities. Stop jumping at shadows, and stop seeing every person as a potential perp who's trying to kill them.

The vast majority of these wrongful shootings could have been prevented if the cops had just used their head, and asked questions, and talked to the victim, instead of clearing leather and starting shooting. We need less SWAT and a bit more Andy Taylor.
 
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