Pistol braces next to be BANNED

I’ve spoken to a lot of gun owners. Not many follow the laws pertaining to AR15 guns. This forum is not a reflection of the majority of gun owners so don’t look for support of limitations of these type guns. Your average gun owner is a rifle and shotgun guy with maybe a pistol. The over whelming amount of guns are owned by a small percentage of people.
 
I’ve spoken to a lot of gun owners. Not many follow the laws pertaining to AR15 guns. This forum is not a reflection of the majority of gun owners so don’t look for support of limitations of these type guns. Your average gun owner is a rifle and shotgun guy with maybe a pistol. The over whelming amount of guns are owned by a small percentage of people.
When I buy a hammer, or a pistol, I don’t make it a point to keep updated on changing regulations related to hammers or pistols. I think most gun owners take the position that it must be legal if they were allowed to buy it. Not a great argument in court, but I think that there have been few prosecutions where the issue was sincerely just ignorance.
 
Maybe we just overwhelm the government with a bunch of unnecessary paperwork and grind the ATF to a halt.

Start trying to register 22 pistols as machine guns cause dey shoot 2 fast. etc
 
Maybe we just overwhelm the government with a bunch of unnecessary paperwork and grind the ATF to a halt.

Start trying to register 22 pistols as machine guns cause dey shoot 2 fast. etc

They're government employees, and paper pushers at that. The ATF enforcement arm won't be affected at all. They'll just ask for more money and manpower. The only thing you'll be grinding to a halt is each other's application times.

What needs to happen should not really be written for future reference.
 
When I buy a hammer, or a pistol, I don’t make it a point to keep updated on changing regulations related to hammers or pistols. I think most gun owners take the position that it must be legal if they were allowed to buy it. Not a great argument in court, but I think that there have been few prosecutions where the issue was sincerely just ignorance.


Well put
 
I'm still not convinced bump stocks were used, the rate of fire in the videos was 'very' consistent like a full auto. And the investigation got really quiet really quickly.
My 2 ¢.

Yep. Dude was a ghost. You can only shoot one rifle at a time, and a bumpstock off a bipod just don't work.

But this thread is about braces. Go ahead, let me know how many get turned in and how many you have 'on file' with serials. Otherwise, GFY. The brace is just keeping honest people honest anyhow. Working within the confines of the infringements hoisted upon us by a government that refused to be limited by the founding documents of this nation. Once the nation refuses to be limited by the 'opinions' or 'regulatory guidelines' and just does what they want......that dog is toothless.
 
I thought that Trump issued an EO asking ATF to investigate them and that ATF issued an open letter calling them machine gun parts.
Here it is if you want to read, https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/bump-stocks
It's interesting ATF still describes them as not a machine gun (multiple firings with a single pull of the trigger).
The Final Rule
The rule will go into effect March 26, 2019; 90 days from the date of publication in the Federal Register.

The final rule clarifies that the definition of “machinegun” in the Gun Control Act (GCA) and National Firearms Act (NFA) includes bump-stock-type devices, i.e., devices that allow a semiautomatic firearm to shoot more than one shot with a single pull of the trigger by harnessing the recoil energy of the semiautomatic firearm to which it is affixed so that the trigger resets and continues firing without additional physical manipulation of the trigger by the shooter.
 
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The final rule clarifies that the definition of “machinegun” in the Gun Control Act (GCA) and National Firearms Act (NFA) includes bump-stock-type devices, i.e., devices that allow a semiautomatic firearm to shoot more than one shot with a single pull of the trigger by harnessing the recoil energy of the semiautomatic firearm to which it is affixed so that the trigger resets and continues firing without additional physical manipulation of the trigger by the shooter.

Ah, so belt loops are still good. Thank God! I thought I'd have to switch from belts to suspenders.
 
It's interesting ATF still describes them as not a machine gun (multiple firings with a single pull of the trigger).
The Final Rule
The rule will go into effect March 26, 2019; 90 days from the date of publication in the Federal Register.

The final rule clarifies that the definition of “machinegun” in the Gun Control Act (GCA) and National Firearms Act (NFA) includes bump-stock-type devices, i.e., devices that allow a semiautomatic firearm to shoot more than one shot with a single pull of the trigger by harnessing the recoil energy of the semiautomatic firearm to which it is affixed so that the trigger resets and continues firing without additional physical manipulation of the trigger by the shooter.

Yeah what a convoluted explanation that under normal circumstances, wouldn't hold up under scrutiny. But we all know how that goes. GOA tried to get a stay and failed......it will have to be taken up by the full court (which probably wont happen)
 
All experience hath shown that mankind is more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

We must each reflect upon our Lives - that which we suffer (or don't), and determine if we intend to stand or kneel - and where the line between the two is.

I descend from men who would not be ruled - not only in the infancy of these United States, but in the Highlands of Scotland and the peat bogs of Wales before that. In each case, every generation faces the same questions, the same tasks. Differing circumstances, certainly, but the same questions.

What is the price for Liberty? Is it worth drawing your last breath as Free Men and never to draw a breath enslaved? Is it worth potentially orphaning your children so they may live Free, or would you rather live to share stories about what you should have done when you had the chance to alter the clear course towards tyranny and subservience that they will suffer through?

Is it peace in our day?

Or should there be trouble, let it be here and now, so out children may live in peace?

Each of us must come to our own conclusions. One member here has already been clear - he will disarm if it comes to it.

Some here have likewise said in no uncertain terms we will not.

But we must each choose what kind of men we are, and then mentally and physically steel ourselves to make the most out of that decision.

And if you think you have years to figure it out, I'm telling you that even 2 years or6 years away is a lot closer than you appreciate.

But I fear the time approaches that will make moral and honorable men make good on terrible Oaths - and I pray Almighty God is not finished with these United States just yet.
 
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Yeah what a convoluted explanation that under normal circumstances, wouldn't hold up under scrutiny. But we all know how that goes. GOA tried to get a stay and failed......it will have to be taken up by the full court (which probably wont happen)
Upon Drumph's unconstitutional announcement, I immediately joined GOA and sent extra $.
 
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The Patent abstract clearly states the trigger must be activated each time to fire a round.

Reference the Abstract for US Patent for the stock:

When intending to fire a round of ammunition, the user pushes the receiver forward with their other hand so that the trigger collides with the stabilized finger. Recoil force quickly separates the trigger from the user's finger on the finger rest.
The user again pushes forward the receiver to repeat the firing cycle.


One pull for each round fired, the trigger must be activated for each and every round. QED

https://patents.google.com/patent/US8607687
 
The final rule clarifies that the definition of “machinegun” in the Gun Control Act (GCA) and National Firearms Act (NFA) includes bump-stock-type devices, i.e., devices that allow a semiautomatic firearm to shoot more than one shot with a single pull of the trigger by harnessing the recoil energy of the semiautomatic firearm to which it is affixed so that the trigger resets and continues firing without additional physical manipulation of the trigger by the shooter.

When intending to fire a round of ammunition, the user pushes the receiver forward with their other hand so that the trigger collides with the stabilized finger. Recoil force quickly separates the trigger from the user's finger on the finger rest.
The user again pushes forward the receiver to repeat the firing cycle.

These are not the same. The ruling specifies firing can continue "without additional physical manipulation by the user". Yet the patent specifically says the user's finger moves the trigger. Without a human finger the trigger is not manipulated, the bump-stock is not in contact with the trigger, ever.

Think about it...
 
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These are not the same. The ruling specifies firing can continue "without additional physical manipulation by the user". Yet the patent specifically says the user's finger moves the trigger. Without a human finger the trigger is not manipulated, the bump-stock is not in contact with the trigger, ever.

Think about it...

Are you trying to say the ATF is a bunch of F-tards who don't even know they're F-tarded?
 
These are not the same. The ruling specifies firing can continue "without additional physical manipulation by the user". Yet the patent specifically says the user's finger moves the trigger. Without a human finger the trigger is not manipulated, the bump-stock is not in contact with the trigger, ever.
Think about it...
That is why the ban will not stand up in the courts, will take time to to get through the system.
 
My problem with SBRs is they are well documented exactly where they are, so .gov can New Zealand you with easy. Over there they even went to people's work.

When I buy a hammer, or a pistol, I don’t make it a point to keep updated on changing regulations related to hammers or pistols. I think most gun owners take the position that it must be legal if they were allowed to buy it. Not a great argument in court, but I think that there have been few prosecutions where the issue was sincerely just ignorance.

Only police gets away with being ignorant of the law.
 
Are you trying to say the ATF is a bunch of F-tards who don't even know they're F-tarded?
Masturbatory f-tards. You forgot the masturbatory part (i learned that one in a Soph video before U-toob shut off her channel.
 
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The often argument I hear is that a pistol you can conceal in your vehicle with a CCW permit legally. The SBR is not legal to be concealed. That is why a lot of folks like the “pistol” concept better.

Never heard that. Good to know. Sometimes MORE licensing is worse than LESS. I remember hearing that the penalties are worse if you accidentally carry in a prohibited place if you have a CCP than if you don’t.
 
Never heard that. Good to know. Sometimes MORE licensing is worse than LESS. I remember hearing that the penalties are worse if you accidentally carry in a prohibited place if you have a CCP than if you don’t.
That was the case in NC, I had my CC class certificate for over ten years until they changed that law.
It was better to not have it and still go downtown for pistol permits.
 
Lots of opinions and claims in the article that I disagree with completely, but the facts about ARs and how they are regulated seemed pretty accurate.

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I knew I should’ve bought the PSA SBA3 build kit when it was $399 w/ free shipping. Now they’re $449 + $17. :(
 
FOMO is strong in this thread.
 
New Legislation Outlawing Violent Gun-Wielding Groups Accidentally Bans Federal Government
WASHINGTON, D.C.—Well, this is embarrassing: Congress accidentally just banned the federal government.
The major faux pas came during a push for more legislation against guns and the deranged people who wield them to commit acts of terror. After some bipartisan bickering and tacking billions of dollars of pork onto the proposed legislation, lawmakers virtuously passed a bill that outlaws violent gun-wielding groups.

Though the legislation was intended to target fringe groups that use firearms to commit acts of violence, such as gangs, far-right nationalist groups, and terrorists, it was worded too vaguely and accidentally banned the entire federal government. The law specifically named "groups that use violence and wield guns to steal money and property, threaten people, and kill innocent civilians in a callous, egregious manner." Instantly, the federal government became an outlaw.

"We just meant, like, regular, on-the-street criminals," said one congressman sheepishly. "Not, like, official, elected criminals."

Congress appealed to the courts and thankfully, a judge who was chosen by the federal government and whose paycheck comes from the federal government ruled that the federal government was exempt from the law.

"That was a close one," said one politician. "Next time we'll be more careful to specify which types of violence are OK."
Source: https://babylonbee.com/news/new-leg...-wielding-groups-accidentally-bans-government


Everyone knows that is a satire site right?
 
Nothing new about pistols chambered for rifle cartridges.
 
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