Here's a link to a article that may be worth your time to read. It does raise a few questions as well as provide answers to todays recent shootings and other violent acts; https://www.amgreatness.com/2019/08/06/igniting-civil-war/
Possible civil war in our future
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Let's see....
1. left attacks right... winner? media for clicks and .gov for using it to 'crack down' on people
2. right attacks left... winner? media for clicks and .gov for using it to 'crack down' on people
So in a 'civil war' of left vs. right, the winner would be the media and the .gov, and the losers would be the left and right.
There, settled.
1. left attacks right... winner? media for clicks and .gov for using it to 'crack down' on people
2. right attacks left... winner? media for clicks and .gov for using it to 'crack down' on people
So in a 'civil war' of left vs. right, the winner would be the media and the .gov, and the losers would be the left and right.
There, settled.
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This is our society as a whole now
Nope. Sorry
Its the perception of a story being told.
The really is what you experience.
Do not confuse a story with the truth.
Everyday the people i interact with do not believe or act in a way thats "true" with this story.
We all meed to stop take a breath and observe what's happening, not what we are being told.
I quit watching the news over 2 years ago now. Of course i see it, passing by, tune in for 30mins a week or so just because. But thats it.
A civil war...... GTFOH. Show me a American that has experienced a civil war who wants one? Only the most self absorbed delusional person wants this. These people are the same people that form ISIS, IRA, KLA and other groups.
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Maybe. But another civil war here does need to follow the history of violent civil wars here or elsewhere. It could be an entirely new thing. Maybe waged in the media, social media and urban areas. It might be a new form the history books didn’t teach us. Not all we learned in school is true. Nor did it magically make us all knowing and wise.
All I know is that all is not well. So I live my life, hope for the best and prepare as well as I can.
John,
- I don't understand the point of your first question since, surely, what matters is the number of Americans who have not experienced a civil war, but want one (or would, like sheep, engage in one) that is relevant.
- What proportion of folks in this country would you attribute to being amongst the "self absorbed delusional" set? The people you interact with (as you quote) may be a small and non-representative faction. There is the aphorism of perception being nine-tenths of reality: sad, but perhaps true.
- Perhaps one should list Antifa and other domestic groups in your list?
Great post.
The amount of people that are pro vs not is a small amount. Most are all hat, no cattle. These people fan the flames and have major influence over the very few of true believers. All of them from my view are part of a self absorbed delusional group that want to bring down the status quo that measures them and judges them.
Why else have a civil war? Why not work on the issues peacefully?
I relate these kind of posts about civil war to the idea of, if islam is a religion of peace, why don't the believers weed out the terrorist?
My calling the BS is my light way of weeding out the trash and instigators of our digital clan.
As far as groups go, Antifa is not the same level so far as the others on my list, that's why i left them off.
War, Being shipped to a country and fighting in a war is not the same as fighting among your home. I get it war is war, its not that simple.
As a simple example, in a civil war, no one has a safe place. No one, no matter all the survival blogs, news cycles, saved beans, stored rain water. None of that will prevent a enemy from smoking ones family.
Who ever wants that kind of world here in the US, is self absorbed and delusional.
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There’s a difference between wanting it and fearing it’s what it’s going to take to put a stop to those that would happily declare you a felon and try to put you in an environment of total security (if you catch my meaning) simply for carrying that CZ Scorpion you’re fond of. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do everything in our power short of that, which many of us already do, even if it won’t work. For the sake of argument let’s say that conventional solutions won’t work and putting an end to the infringements - and a hell of a lot more than the 2nd is being infringed upon - is going to require either secession where we agree to split and those people have no more say over us, or war. I seriously doubt that if a region were to declare secession that the rest of the former nation would let them go without a violent fight because the root of the problem is desire for control over people, so there’s the start of your war. Option 2, lets even say that onerous gun restrictions are passed and people get off the couch and instead of walking into a Walmart and indiscriminately shooting instead target the political figures that are the problem. Of course that would result in a “law enforcement” response which would only cause an escalation of violence, likely leading to that civil war.
Sorry, but the ban ban ban rhetoric I’m hearing from those DC jack holes is not acceptable and for some of us represents a line in the sand. If the choice is comply, hide, or fight, at what point do we fight even if it means risking bringing the hell of civil war to this country?
I still don't see how this works. Localized riots (even as large as the LA riots for example) I can totally understand. They started as one thing and turned into something else. Random terrorist acts, that I can see too. That only takes 1 or more people to make happen and it can happen any time any place. But a "civil war" sounds like groups of troops made up of regular people being organized to fight against some other group of troops make up of some other regular people.
My questions :
1. How exactly could "both sides" convince hundreds or thousands of people to give up their day jobs and come get organized to fight for a while?
2. How could people stay motivated? The current antifa or equiv "violence" only works because the .gov protects them and in the end no one dies. After the first CFF vs. antifa skirmish the MSM would be showing the piles of stacked bodies for everyone to see and then... more people want to jump on the dying bandwagon? Is that how it works? Or is there a lot of "WTF just happened?" and running home? A dose of reality would wake up both sides real quick.
3. Why wouldn't the .gov just step in and kill both sides off, making #2 happen on a grander scale?
4. Why would anyone left or right think killing people on the other side will actually change something, when those that are in control are playing both sides and only stand to benefit from anything done on the battle field? Useful idiots?
Adam Kinzinger: 'Serious movement' brewing to overturn entire Second Amendment
"Rep. Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill., said there is a political movement brewing in the United States to try and overturn the Second Amendment in its entirety, and do away with a citizen's right to keep and bear arms.
Kinzinger, who wrote a piece following the mass shootings in Dayton and El Paso supporting "red-flag" laws, said there is an inherent danger of political overshoot that could create a stream of unintended consequences, but claimed it would be better than doing nothing.
"It is unfair that you would deny somebody a right by putting a restriction in place because... I own an AR. 99.99 percent of us are responsible with these guns. But as a society, we can't predict individual behavior," he said on "The Daily Briefing," Wednesday.
Kinzinger added: "We have to make societal differences and changes... attitudes are turning so much against the Second Amendment that the thing that we risk is that there will be a serious movement to not just create restrictions but to overturn the whole amendment. Now, by the way, your freedom of religion is protected by the First [Amendment]. If we begin to start to repeal the Bill of Rights, who knows where this whole thing goes."
https://www.foxnews.com/media/secon...SQdAyNy1HQEnD5fZpcCWapS0YgYrwHf_85taVFyd28QjY
"Rep. Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill., said there is a political movement brewing in the United States to try and overturn the Second Amendment in its entirety, and do away with a citizen's right to keep and bear arms.
Kinzinger, who wrote a piece following the mass shootings in Dayton and El Paso supporting "red-flag" laws, said there is an inherent danger of political overshoot that could create a stream of unintended consequences, but claimed it would be better than doing nothing.
"It is unfair that you would deny somebody a right by putting a restriction in place because... I own an AR. 99.99 percent of us are responsible with these guns. But as a society, we can't predict individual behavior," he said on "The Daily Briefing," Wednesday.
Kinzinger added: "We have to make societal differences and changes... attitudes are turning so much against the Second Amendment that the thing that we risk is that there will be a serious movement to not just create restrictions but to overturn the whole amendment. Now, by the way, your freedom of religion is protected by the First [Amendment]. If we begin to start to repeal the Bill of Rights, who knows where this whole thing goes."
https://www.foxnews.com/media/secon...SQdAyNy1HQEnD5fZpcCWapS0YgYrwHf_85taVFyd28QjY
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Maybe you misinterpreted my one line post. I said nothing about civil war or most of the other stuff in your response. My one liner meant that the media and gov plays folks against each other. I guess if I had spelled that out Maybe i wouldn’t get long replies telling me I’m completely wrong. But you know what they say about opinions.
Apologies if this has already been posted. On another note:
Universal's 'The Hunt' that satirizes killing of 'deplorables' slammed online, called 'beyond sick' and 'disturbing'
Universal's "The Hunt" isn't even out yet, but many are taking to Twitter to react to the film's trailer, calling it "beyond sick" and "disturbing."
"The Hunt," which initially was going to be titled "Red State vs. Blue State," is billed as a satire that follows wealthy thrill-seekers as they take a private jet to a five-star resort, where they embark on a “deeply rewarding” expedition that involves hunting down and killing "deplorables."
"Universal is releasing a horrific movie about hunting down people called The Hunt. They pulled the ads but they have not stopped its release. Absolutely irresponsible movie and fosters hate and killing of people who don’t believe the same as the hunters. Hollywood be shamed," a user wrote."
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainme...g-deplorables-slammed-beyond-stick-disturbing
Universal's 'The Hunt' that satirizes killing of 'deplorables' slammed online, called 'beyond sick' and 'disturbing'
Universal's "The Hunt" isn't even out yet, but many are taking to Twitter to react to the film's trailer, calling it "beyond sick" and "disturbing."
"The Hunt," which initially was going to be titled "Red State vs. Blue State," is billed as a satire that follows wealthy thrill-seekers as they take a private jet to a five-star resort, where they embark on a “deeply rewarding” expedition that involves hunting down and killing "deplorables."
"Universal is releasing a horrific movie about hunting down people called The Hunt. They pulled the ads but they have not stopped its release. Absolutely irresponsible movie and fosters hate and killing of people who don’t believe the same as the hunters. Hollywood be shamed," a user wrote."
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainme...g-deplorables-slammed-beyond-stick-disturbing
I believe the issue is with the term "civil war" being something confined to two parties shooting at other in open battle. What I see, more and more, is that we are currently in a social civil war. Let me see if I can organize my thoughts on it...
Citizens in a country will never all 100% get along or agree with each other, so lets get that out of the way. However, in my lifetime (41 years) I have seen a tangible and real divergence in what people in the US feel should be the ultimate direction of the nation. In the past, there have been fringe groups that have been socialist, communist, fascist and what not...but they were always small and relatively innefectual and seen as outcasts for the most part. The ideals of a capitalist republic were always the forefront of the vast majority of Americans outlook on the US. The differences in the main political parties was always relatively minor (compared to today) and all were mainly people having the same goal, but having different methods to get there. Everyone wanted a more prosperous republic, what the founding fathers intended.
Today there are various elements in the US that have gained (and continue to gain) major influence that no longer see the image the founding fathers had for the nation as the goal.
We have professed communists and socialists in government, and instead of being ousted as they were in decades past, they are now protected by a faux bubble of tolerance that the left has created. Their ideas are no longer seen as dangerous for the republic, but as beeing brave and progressive.
So the real civil war that is brewing is between those that foresee the future of the nation as a continuation and strengthening of the republic, and those that feel the founding documents are outdated and need to be replaced by socialist/communist doctrine.
We have gone from "I dont agree with you, but I will die for your right to say it" to "You should be ashamed, now I will dox you, attempt to ruin your life, and slander you until you are so embarassed you cant exist."
We have gone from "We need a nation of minutemen" to "Please government, take away the evil guns and completely take over my security"
We have gone from "Do you have a warrant" to "If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to fear."
We have gone from the right to a trial to civil asset forfeiture, red flag laws, traffic cameras, and the concept of being guilty until proven innocent.
The sad part is, this has been happening for a long time...small bite by small bite. Like a crab not noticing the pot heating up until its too late.
So yes...there is already a civil war being fought between those who adhere to the Republic as designed, or those that wish for a future far different than that which envisioned by the founding fathers. And folks...the old guard isnt faring well.
Citizens in a country will never all 100% get along or agree with each other, so lets get that out of the way. However, in my lifetime (41 years) I have seen a tangible and real divergence in what people in the US feel should be the ultimate direction of the nation. In the past, there have been fringe groups that have been socialist, communist, fascist and what not...but they were always small and relatively innefectual and seen as outcasts for the most part. The ideals of a capitalist republic were always the forefront of the vast majority of Americans outlook on the US. The differences in the main political parties was always relatively minor (compared to today) and all were mainly people having the same goal, but having different methods to get there. Everyone wanted a more prosperous republic, what the founding fathers intended.
Today there are various elements in the US that have gained (and continue to gain) major influence that no longer see the image the founding fathers had for the nation as the goal.
We have professed communists and socialists in government, and instead of being ousted as they were in decades past, they are now protected by a faux bubble of tolerance that the left has created. Their ideas are no longer seen as dangerous for the republic, but as beeing brave and progressive.
So the real civil war that is brewing is between those that foresee the future of the nation as a continuation and strengthening of the republic, and those that feel the founding documents are outdated and need to be replaced by socialist/communist doctrine.
We have gone from "I dont agree with you, but I will die for your right to say it" to "You should be ashamed, now I will dox you, attempt to ruin your life, and slander you until you are so embarassed you cant exist."
We have gone from "We need a nation of minutemen" to "Please government, take away the evil guns and completely take over my security"
We have gone from "Do you have a warrant" to "If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to fear."
We have gone from the right to a trial to civil asset forfeiture, red flag laws, traffic cameras, and the concept of being guilty until proven innocent.
The sad part is, this has been happening for a long time...small bite by small bite. Like a crab not noticing the pot heating up until its too late.
So yes...there is already a civil war being fought between those who adhere to the Republic as designed, or those that wish for a future far different than that which envisioned by the founding fathers. And folks...the old guard isnt faring well.
And the donkey said: "How do you eat an elephant?...............One bite at a time."
City by county by state....Our Senator is behind The Red Flag push.
No need to worry if they take our guns...New York has the finest police force in the world and they should protect everyone.
Hannity is a twit so try to get past him but pay attention to how smug and confident De Blasio is. We all better clear out a spare room for our personal cop but I guess that won't matter once they have taken/squandered all of our wealth to pay for the police state...we can sleep under a bridge with the homeless.
The civil war is already upon us but it isn't us doing the revolt.
Hannity is a twit so try to get past him but pay attention to how smug and confident De Blasio is. We all better clear out a spare room for our personal cop but I guess that won't matter once they have taken/squandered all of our wealth to pay for the police state...we can sleep under a bridge with the homeless.
The civil war is already upon us but it isn't us doing the revolt.
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Is that the same cops that run away when sprayed with water?
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Ugh, can’t watch it. I already know the Deblasio stance and Hannity and his ilk are 95% as big of a problem as the dems.
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This is true in almost every civil war. In 1768-1773, a very vocal minority set about having such conversations in taverns, in State house, in the streets. It turned into protests, then political violence.... whether it was tarring and feathering, showing up at an official's home en masse until he gave up his post, or shooting members of a Bostonian mob at a customs house. By late 1774 and into 1775, a rage militaire overtook both sides of the argument over the Rights of Englishmen in British North America, something both felt was inevitable, and something both sides were sure would be a short contest - that a decisive victory would end it, and their side emerge victorious. Yet by the late summer of 1776, the majority of the population simply wanted the war to go away.
Yet it raged on for 6 to 7 years. History is pretty clear - once violence on that scale gets let out of the cage, it simply doesn't peter out.
John, a person is rational. People are not. Your question can be asked of every war mankind has ever fought.
And yet, we remain a warlike species.
What does this actually mean?
Brother, we are not made of finer clay than any of the rest of humanity. Your responses to this particular question often come across as self-righteousness, that you're above such "foolishness," that you're the only adult in the room.
That's not the case.
Many here having feelings of unease about the likelihood of things going sideways have, in fact, seen war - to include the brutal civil/insurgency kind. In fact, for most veterans still of a fighting age, it's the only kind of war we know.
And yet man constantly finds himself in mortal struggles with other men, and it hasn't been that long ago since it was among homes in this country, historically speaking. People living now knew people who fought in that conflict.
Looking at war in general - it's always the few who incite the many to kill each other for grievances most of those fighting and dying don't have, for slights almost all those in combat didn't receive.
Again, singly, a person is rational. People are not.
I don't know anyone who wants to have a go like this. You have to be stupid, insane, or both to want it.
But accepting it, if you can, instead of passing it to your children?
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It's kind of numbing to have the media pushing stories and politicians saying things that are 100% disconnected from everyday life. While politicizing everything and polarizing everyone, they have begun telling The Story every day, which everyone is supposed to believe is factual and correct.
The only thing that is saving us is that a whole lot of people don't believe a word of it. Still, the audacity of the media and the politicians has grown to the point that pushback is inevitable.
The only thing that is saving us is that a whole lot of people don't believe a word of it. Still, the audacity of the media and the politicians has grown to the point that pushback is inevitable.
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