Trump giving in to gun control?

We keep telling him that and he keeps typing the same old response. I wonder if he actually understands the Primary system. Or maybe he thinks you should let the vicious dogs into your house so your good German Shepherd will realize he's supposed to be doing a better job protecting you. After all, how much damage could the Democrats do to gun rights in just four years?
Well Trump has and is trying to pass more gun control than Obama did in 8 years so.....
 
Serious question.

Who was the morally defensible candidate the last presidential election?

We, the People. And that’s a serious answer.

There was a time when those 3 simple words mattered in this Republic, when it was young and her chief language was Liberty.

Now, her chief language is Party Before All.
 
So no actual candidate?

Don't vote? Am I reading that right?

Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost, and your conscience will be clean of the burden of compromising your most deeply held convictions.

And if principle and conscience lead you to not vote, then that is a more powerful statement than simply pulling the lever for a New York progressive because he’s not an Arkansas progressive.
 
Well Trump has and is trying to pass more gun control than Obama did in 8 years so.....
Be careful, people will accuse you of working for the Obama campaign or something else super stupid. Usually by some moron.
 
Well Trump has and is trying to pass more gun control than Obama did in 8 years so.....


I don't understand this line of reasoning...

Off the top of my head, under Obama, the reimportation of thousands of Garands and 1911s were blocked, 7n6 was banned, sanctions stopped the importation of Russian firearms, lead ammo was banned from use on public lands (or something like that), a large batch of executive orders dealing with various agencies and 4473 forms was passed, and the 4473 was modified to included Hispanic demographic ("coincidentally" after Zimmerman).

Trump appointed somebody that reversed the lead ammo ban, apparently loosened the reigns on the CMP milsurp imports, and had the ATF ban bump stocks.

What I don't get is attributing either figurehead with actions that were either blocked by congress (however noble or ignominious the reason) or happened via some agency's rule change (sure, executive powers could cause said change). Have we really reached the point that we are viewing one of the worst presidents in recent history in a way so that he was a 2A champion? He stated numerous times he was pro-AWB, registration, magazine ban, etc, but every time was stopped short by congress and now we are going to credit him with not passing gun control laws? GTFO.

For some folks (not you), I really don't think the point is Obama so much as some holier-than-thou, smug, condescending way of trying to somehow shame Trump supporters for apparently having the gall to believe his very convincing and hopeful campaign message, and it comes up in every-f'ing-thread about gun control and Trump from the usual progenitor of such self congratulatory handjobbery.

For others, I believe the point is that all politicians will screw you, but again, I don't understand how trying to rub Trump supporters face in the puddle he left on the floor is anything remotely constructive instead of said self congratulatory handjobbery.

TL;DR - I don't get bragging about how you predicted somebody would assuredly eff you over while he effs you over.
 
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@premise based on previous posts by you, I'll assume some of that is at me.
If you look back (hell, you cant now, I deleted most things that I could), I was pulling for Trump. I wanted things to be better.
Have I said good and bad about him, absolutely. Same for O, same for W.
I actually had faith he'd changed from the time he'd written his book and spoke about guns and people shouldnt have them. I made a comparison to marriage - people's minds change over a decade or so.
But Im also going to state when someone is going back on their word (friend of the gun owners).
Call me what you might, I wont lose sleep over any of it.
 
I was all in for Trump till I wasn't. What really amazes me is that people can BLINDLY support Trump in the same way that democrats BLINDLY support whatever dickdong they are told to support. Trump banned bump stocks for zero reason other than appeasement. I didn't vote for appeasement. He also has refused to stick to his veto powers on border security. I would have had a wall or people would be sleeping and begging in the streets begging for their government paychecks.
 
I don't understand this line of reasoning...

Off the top of my head, under Obama, the reimportation of thousands of Garands and 1911s were blocked, 7n6 was banned, sanctions stopped the importation of Russian firearms, lead ammo was banned from use on public lands (or something like that), a large batch of executive orders dealing with various agencies and 4473 forms was passed, and the 4473 was modified to included Hispanic demographic ("coincidentally" after Zimmerman).

Trump appointed somebody that reversed the lead ammo ban, apparently loosened the reigns on the CMP milsurp imports, and had the ATF ban bump stocks.

What I don't get is attributing either figurehead with actions that were either blocked by congress (however noble or ignominious the reason) or happened via some agency's rule change (sure, executive powers could cause said change). Have we really reached the point that we are viewing one of the worst presidents in recent history in a way so that he was a 2A champion? He stated numerous times he was pro-AWB, registration, magazine ban, etc, but every time was stopped short by congress and now we are going to credit him with not passing gun control laws? GTFO.

For some folks (not you), I really don't think the point is Obama so much as some holier-than-thou, smug, condescending way of trying to somehow shame Trump supporters for apparently having the gall to believe his very convincing and hopeful campaign message, and it comes up in every-f'ing-thread about gun control and Trump from the usual progenitor of such self congratulatory handjobbery.

For others, I believe the point is that all politicians will screw you, but again, I don't understand how trying to rub Trump supporters face in the puddle he left on the floor is anything remotely constructive instead of said self congratulatory handjobbery.

TL;DR - I don't get bragging about how you predicted somebody would assuredly eff you over while he effs you over.
No one credits Obama with being a pro 2A president. Most people that take issue with Trump on gun issues take issue with the entire party. "Vote for us or you'll lose your gun rights," but then we will cave anyways. It's the same old song and dance with the ACA and other issues. They play the same game as the Democrats in that regard. Trump has built a cult of personality around him like Obama did. A lot of his supporters will back him no matter what he says. I work with a guy that is trying to defend red flag laws just because Trump supports them. I was hoping, and still hope that he will do what is right. Calling out a president for the bad and good things that he is done is not trying to brag about being right, but it is about trying to make the individuals with unshakable faith in the man admit that he isn't infallible.
 
If we keep voting for the same party that lies to us, steals from us, infringes our rights, puts us in debt & screws us, then we just prove that we really are as dumb as they think we are.



Terry
 
Beyond that...... already threatening to use the not yet in existence Ted Flag laws to go after political foes.

Cuomo is a retard, but for the love of God, this is EXACTLY what makes Red Flag laws tyrannical.

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So nobody watched that video and thought the same thing? OK.
 
Here’s Graham’s response to RFL issue aster I recently wrote him...

Thank you for contacting me regarding the tragic shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio. In the wake of these horrific acts, it is imperative that we discuss how to provide communities with tools to help prevent individuals in crisis from harming themselves or others.

To that end, I have been working on bipartisan legislation to provide States with funding to assist and encourage the adoption of Extreme Risk Protection Order laws, which allow law enforcement officials to intervene when there is an imminent threat of violence. My bill will provide tools for law enforcement to act in such instances and also protects the rights afforded to law-abiding Americans under the Second Amendment.

I hope that my Republican and Democratic colleagues will join this bipartisan effort to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous individuals, while protecting our constitutional rights.

As your United States Senator, my primary job is to understand and represent the interests of all South Carolinians. The opportunity to hear from you about the issues confronting our nation is not only essential to representative democracy, but allows me to better serve the people of South Carolina. We will not see eye-to-eye on every issue; however, I promise to always give your concerns the consideration they deserve.

Thank you again for contacting me. I truly appreciate the opportunity to hear from you and am honored to have the opportunity to represent your interests in the U.S. Senate.

Sincerely,

Lindsey O. Graham
United States Senator
 
Here’s Graham’s response to RFL issue aster I recently wrote him...

Thank you for contacting me regarding the tragic shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio. In the wake of these horrific acts, it is imperative that we discuss how to provide communities with tools to help prevent individuals in crisis from harming themselves or others.

To that end, I have been working on bipartisan legislation to provide States with funding to assist and encourage the adoption of Extreme Risk Protection Order laws, which allow law enforcement officials to intervene when there is an imminent threat of violence. My bill will provide tools for law enforcement to act in such instances and also protects the rights afforded to law-abiding Americans under the Second Amendment.

I hope that my Republican and Democratic colleagues will join this bipartisan effort to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous individuals, while protecting our constitutional rights.

As your United States Senator, my primary job is to understand and represent the interests of all South Carolinians. The opportunity to hear from you about the issues confronting our nation is not only essential to representative democracy, but allows me to better serve the people of South Carolina. We will not see eye-to-eye on every issue; however, I promise to always give your concerns the consideration they deserve.

Thank you again for contacting me. I truly appreciate the opportunity to hear from you and am honored to have the opportunity to represent your interests in the U.S. Senate.

Sincerely,

Lindsey O. Graham
United States Senator
Translation: "I don't give a damn about your petty concerns peasant! Just shut up and re-elect me."

Terry
 
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