A [Truly] Well-Regulated Militia

Like he says, it's a good idea just for the sake of exposing the lie where the progressives say we don't have a "well-regulated militia".
 
georgel said:
I think firearms safety should be mandatory in schools.
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Whereas I think public schools should be razed to the ground, and the land salted. But hey, poh-tay-toe, poh-tah-toe.
I think firearms safety should be mandatory in the home.
 
JT said:
Whereas I think public schools should be razed to the ground, and the land salted. But hey, poh-tay-toe, poh-tah-toe.
I think firearms safety should be mandatory in the home.
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Ah, therein lies the problem. We no longer have the heritage of knowledge, wisdom and skills being passed down through generations. It's broken... Single parent homes (mostly mom's), absentee father's, etc. We need to remedy that. Men need to stand up and lead and be examples to follow. Meanwhile, we need to accommodate those without male guidance.
 
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The original house version of the 2nd Amendment made arms ownership mandatory, that fortunately, was deemed un-American and anti-freedom. Yep, you should have the freedom to NOT own a firearm. I think schools should teach firearm safety and operation since everyone on the planet that enjoys ANY freedom they currently enjoys, owes that freedom to OUR guns. Liberals flip out by the way when you tell them that any freedom this planet enjoys is due to our guns. lol
 
The true act of a well regulated militia would place all US citizens in a situation similar to Switzerland's standing military. . The militia of our founding fathers meant every able bodied citizen was required to serve and muster for drill. We presently have the National Guard that is a spinoff of that militia and today serves the intent of the 2nd Amendment. Care to join the Guard, someday soon that may be the case to own a military style firearm? JMHFO.


The comedy of this present day disagreement would be to see the 2A enforced and every liberal having to join up and be an American in spite of themselves.
 
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georgel said:
I think firearms safety should be mandatory in schools.
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Replying so I can like it again.
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JT said:
Whereas I think public schools should be razed to the ground, and the land salted. But hey, poh-tay-toe, poh-tah-toe.
I think firearms safety should be mandatory in the home.
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Same thing here.
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Both are good (an actual well regulated militia) and firearm safety training for all, starting as children.


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Dale Flinchum said:
The true act of a well regulated militia would place all US citizens in a situation similar to Switzerland's standing military. . The militia of our founding fathers meant every able bodied citizen was required to serve and muster for drill. We presently have the National Guard that is a spinoff of that militia and today serves the intent of the 2nd Amendment. Care to join the Guard, someday soon that may be the case to own a military style firearm? JMHFO.


The comedy of this present day disagreement would be to see the 2A enforced and every liberal having to join up and be an American in spite of themselves.
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Our national guard? "Nope. Not even on their best day!

First, the National Guard is composed exclusively of volunteers who sign enlistment contracts; whereas “the Militia of several States” are organizations not formed by contracts into which citizens voluntarily choose to enter, but instead based on compulsory enrollment of every able-bodied adult American.

Secondly, members of the National Guard don't supply their own firearms, ammunition and accoutrements; or keep that equipment in their personal possession at all times in their own homes. The Militia must!

Third, the National Guard may be called into the service by the feds for other purposes than the three that we stipulate in the Constitution. Beginning with Woodrow Wilson, presidents have even called National Guardsmen to be dispatched overseas to 'deploy' as mercenaries in totally illegal 'wars' (foreign adventures for banks and oil companies).

Fourth: when called into so-called 'federal' service, the National Guard can be incorporated as units of the federal armed forces; but the Militia can never be incorporated as units of the regular armed forces *under any circumstances*, because the Militia and the regular armed forces are constitutionally distinct -- actually mutually exclusive! -- establishments.

Contrast U.S. Constitution Art I, Sec. 6, Clauses 12-14 with Clauses 15-16, and also see Art II, Sec 2, Clause 1.

Fifth: when called into 'federal' service, the National Guard can come under the orders of the officers of the regular armed forces; whereas other than the president (and only when the Militia are “called forth” for one or more of the three constitutionally explicit purposes), officers of the armed forces can never command constitutional Militia.

On this aspect, read U.S. Constitution, Art I, Sec 8, Clause 16.

'National Guard' was created out of illegal whole cloth by Congress. But Congress can NEVER have any control, or make any laws, respecting the Militia, because that is OUR institution, and has been in existence since before we created Congress! See?"
This is what David M. Zuniga of Tacticalcivics.com explained to me, when I told him the national guard was our Constitutional Militia.
 
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Whoa, wait a minute, I never said the National Guard was the same as the true militia refered to by the 2A, just a spinoff that evolved into our present day Guard. From my research the true militias were basically disbanned during the Civil War and never empowered to their former status thereafter. Too many problems controlling citizen lead militias and the Feds were not about to give up the power they gained by the war so goodbye to the intents of the 2A. When faced with the truth Switzerland is the last bastion of any resemblance of the way our founders chose for us to live as free citizens. The only problem with the militia is a citizen must pass muster and our present system is too free to ever go that route so here we are today facing an impossible task of pleasing those of a different opinion on the justification of firearm ownership.
 
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Dale Flinchum said:
Whoa, wait a minute, I never said the National Guard was the same as the true militia refered to by the 2A, just a spinoff that evolved into our present day Guard. From my research the true militias were basically disbanned during the Civil War and never empowered to their former status thereafter. Too many problems controlling citizen lead militias and the Feds were not about to give up the power they gained by the war so goodbye to the intents of the 2A. When faced with the truth Switzerland is the last bastion of any resemblance of the way our founders chose for us to live as free citizens. The only problem with the militia is a citizen must pass muster and our present system is too free to ever go that route so here we are today facing an impossible task of pleasing those of a different opinion on the justification of firearm ownership.
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You're correct, and ol honest Abe just don't seem to me as "honest" as We were taught... That war and all the crap that came afterwards, was the beginning of the end...or is it???
 
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HMP said:
I think firearms safety should be AVAILABLE in schools.
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I beg to differ. Why should it be optional? If it's safety, not only about the person themselves, but also others around them, why do some get the instruction and others do not? It would be a disservice to others. Marksmanship and advanced studies I can see as optional.
 
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By the time I got to high school luckily for me I was pretty versed in most common firearms. My AG teacher at the time brought in the local Wildlife Officer to teach everyone that took his class Hunter Safety. We got double the benefit from it as we were also taught firearm safety which goes with Hunter Safety, but he also brought about every firearm we all grew up with and taught us the workings and actions and how to use them. Stuff like this is so beneficial to kids that have the interest, sadly it’s a lost practice
 
There is an argument made that we will never see a citizen militia in this country again -- that the collectivist strategy has succeeded sufficiently that we are no longer a nation of thinkers and doers; that we are no longer a nation of self-sufficient farmers, craftsmen, and tradesmen; that we have embraced "progress" over "preservation" in our culture.

This argument applies to far more than just the citizen militia, of course.
 
JT said:
There is an argument made that we will never see a citizen militia in this country again -- that the collectivist strategy has succeeded sufficiently that we are no longer a nation of thinkers and doers; that we are no longer a nation of self-sufficient farmers, craftsmen, and tradesmen; that we have embraced "progress" over "preservation" in our culture.

This argument applies to far more than just the citizen militia, of course.
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I think the main reason we wont see a true militia is that the media has so tainted the word that no one wants to be a part of it. On top of that the ones that are known are pretty much the butt of a joke.
 
georgel said:
I beg to differ. Why should it be optional? If it's safety, not only about the person themselves, but also others around them, why do some get the instruction and others do not? It would be a disservice to others. Marksmanship and advanced studies I can see as optional.
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It should not be forced upon folks to learn how to operate firearms, just as above - it shouldnt be mandatory to own a firearm.
It should be optional learning, not forced on kids
 
HMP said:
It should not be forced upon folks to learn how to operate firearms, just as above - it shouldnt be mandatory to own a firearm.
It should be optional learning, not forced on kids
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What about all the other mandatory educational requirements? I kindly refer the poster to the post I made before. Shouldn't be forced on kids?? Why? Because they're scary and dangerous?? The left is always saying you're more likely to be injured by your own gun. This addresses that.
It doesn't have to be live fire and you can test out. But, it should be mandatory. It also helps alleviate the curiosity factor.

I don't know if it's still in force, but at one time you couldn't graduate NCSU without passing a swimming test.
 
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@georgel I view it as an elective.
While educational it's a not part of the 'core' coursework.
So, absolutely, if a kid wants - sign up. We have a hunter's safety course at school and it's free if you want to learn about firearm safety.
But I view it like welding - not everyone is interested, dont force them to do it, but offer it etc
 
HMP said:
@georgel I view it as an elective.
While educational it's a not part of the 'core' coursework.
So, absolutely, if a kid wants - sign up. We have a hunter's safety course at school and it's free if you want to learn about firearm safety.
But I view it like welding - not everyone is interested, dont force them to do it, but offer it etc
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Why should safety be an elective? They don't know what they don't know. Do they let them opt out of fire drills because they're not interested in fires?
If they are offered to opt out and don't take the class. What happens when they find a gun? Stand back and call the po-po? They watch someone make a potentially fatal handling error, but don't know to stop it. They didn't take the class but aquire a gun anyway. Do they go take a remedial class? They won't. Why should they? They passed on it the first time. No ones making them take a class, right? Why waste the time? We're do they learn?

Just sayin'
 
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georgel said:
Why should safety be an elective? They don't know what they don't know. Do they let them opt out of fire drills because they're not interested in fires?
If they are offered to opt out and don't take the class. What happens when they find a gun? Stand back and call the po-po? They watch someone make a potentially fatal handling error, but don't know to stop it. They didn't take the class but aquire a gun anyway. Do they go take a remedial class? They won't. Why should they? They passed on it the first time. No ones making them take a class, right? Why waste the time? We're do they learn?

Just sayin'
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We're just going to have to disagree on this one
I dont think the state should force anyone to take a firearms safety course
 
When it's required to have "correct use of the Bill of Rights" training before one can exercise them, then Ill feel less maligned.
 
I must admit I am torn between what @georgel is saying and what @HMP is arguing. However, my thought is I don’t like the public education standard personally. My view is aligned with the thought of public education is pushing the progressive socialism agenda. Now, I agree with @georgel that a firearms safety class should be taught. I don’t know that I agree or not if it should be mandatory, but I do not think @HMP has given a reason to support his argument yet, and if so I apologize as I missed it. I do not like the idea of public education providing the class because they will somehow twist and manipulate it to make guns be so dangerous kids/students/teens will no longer know the truth case in point the DARE program in schools. It teaches about Drugs and how to avoid them, we all see how much of an epic fail that traditionally is in our nation. So, yes I agree firearm safety should be taught but by whom would be my concern. My other question would revolve around freedom to choose. If you can choose to take firearms safety or not can you choose to take religion, or Spanish etc?
 
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It's all theoretical anyway. I admit application might be difficult if not impossible in today's environment. But, I consider it part of life skills education. Just like I think basic first aid should be taught as well. Yes, these things should be taught at home. But, that's kinda my point. It's NOT bring taught at home anymore. How do we get basic life skills (and values) into the minds of people, especially young ones?
I think this needs to be addressed in some manner. And I think it CAN be addressed if enough people make the effort.
 
Here's another article presented as a trackback to the OP. :)

Pull quote: ... Why does this matter nowadays? ... Because since inception, militias have been tasked with stopping those who hold public office from exceeding their authority or those seeking to enact legislation outside of their operating charter ...

https://ammo.com/articles/freedmen-militias-american-history-1776-civil-war
 
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Here are my thoughts, and I think I mentioned above, but maybe not - some folks dont like guns. Period. Some folks dont want their kids around guns.
That's totally ok.
Why make it mandatory that those students/families have to learn firearms safety to graduate?
Yes, Im ok with it being an elective, and there are courses in my county which include it (let's be real, firearms safety is NOT a 90 day, 90 minutes per day course). Im ok with STUDENTS/FAMILIES getting to choose if they take that or not, Im NOT for being forced to take it.

Do I think firearms safety is important? Absolutely. But I dont think it should be mandatory.
 
georgel said:
It's all theoretical anyway. I admit application might be difficult if not impossible in today's environment. But, I consider it part of life skills education. Just like I think basic first aid should be taught as well. Yes, these things should be taught at home. But, that's kinda my point. It's NOT bring taught at home anymore. How do we get basic life skills (and values) into the minds of people, especially young ones?
I think this needs to be addressed in some manner. And I think it CAN be addressed if enough people make the effort.
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I agree whole heartedly! Of course once upon a time had the Scouts both Boy and Girl sides that taught these things. They have since given into the Political correctness so they are not nearly as popular. There also were a few other organizations that allowed for life skills and lessons to he learned. Ultimately however, @georgel hit the nail on the head with the fact it’s not being taught at home where it NEEDS to be done.
 
JT said:
There is an argument made that we will never see a citizen militia in this country again -- that the collectivist strategy has succeeded sufficiently that we are no longer a nation of thinkers and doers; that we are no longer a nation of self-sufficient farmers, craftsmen, and tradesmen; that we have embraced "progress" over "preservation" in our culture.

This argument applies to far more than just the citizen militia, of course.
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I disagree, there is a group...at this very moment, working hard to teach We The People how to enforce our highest law. We very well may not see a true Constitutional Militia in our day, but the gears to the machine are being built, as We speak. The Militias of the several States will never be reinstated as long as We The People don't take responsibility for this mess, and do our own due diligence to learn the truth, and learn how to get it done, lawfully and legally, by the grace of God without even firing a shot. Yet there is a responsible remnant taking action, right now. The Militias We have today look nothing as the founders intended them to be, that is why it's so easy for the msm to demonize, and paint them as some fringe group, that has their own understanding of what a Militia is. If We just take to the streets with our weapons, shouting..."FREEDOM" and don't even know who We're fighting, or why We fight, that is anarcy, that is lawlessness. The Constitution is very clear on what the Militia is, and what its purpose is used for. The Militia is, and has always been, We The Peoples Real Law Enforcement for the Constitution. We reserve that right to ourselves in it! We had the Militia and States Grand Juries, long before We had a Constitution, or even a country of our own for that matter. Why do you think they're so hell bent on taking you guns? If you want to know how We The People will take back all that has been lost to DC organized crime, join, learn, and stand at Tacticalcivics.com
Everyday I hope to see another chapter pop up...especially NC, this is my home, I am a Carolinian, thru, and thru.
I'm tired of all the theater, all the hate, all rhetoric that's being shoved down our throats. It's time for We The People to finish what George Washington and gang started long ago. Someone said it best in another thread I was in..."the ink probably wasn't even dry on the Constitution yet before they started to attack it", so true. Why have something that is so near and dear to every true Americans heart...and We never really, fully, enforced it? We have well over 200 plus years of "rule of law" in this country, and the oldest standing Constitution in the history of the world. Don't let criminals tear us apart, We are it, the worlds last ditch hope, for true freedom...at least what We have left of it. What We are witnessing, is the violent death of a long run at socialism in America. Social media, and the internet are helping people to become more conected, and is making it somewhat easier to find the truth...if you really seek it. Evils are being exposed daily, and they're becoming the ever more violent because of it.
 
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