"210 Days of Freedom: The Coming Private Firearms Sales Frenzy"

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via James Wesley Rawles

Money quotes: The phrases “Universal Background Checks” and “Comprehensive Background Checks” sound all warm and fuzzy to the leftists. But here is what they really mean: "We’ll make you a felon if you sell a gun to your next door neighbor". . . .

... if the effective date stipulated in the House version is left intact, then the new law will take effect 210 days after it is signed.


https://survivalblog.com/210-days-freedom-coming-private-firearms-sales-frenzy/

What do you think?
 
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My smart tv always laughs when I do that. Weird. o_O:confused:

Hmmmm. Decepticons?

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If a tree falls and no one is around, does it make a sound? How do they police that? How do they know a private sale occurs?
They don't. In a year's time (or less) they'll say "We can't enforce universal background infringements without a registry." Boom. They get to stage 2.
 
They will get massive compliance. Every ad on armslist, gunbroker, Facebook or whatever other online outlet exists will instantly require an FFL transfer.
No one wants to get charged with a felony for selling off the 22 that their kid doesn’t shoot anymore.

Now, between neighbors or members of communities you’ll have people bucking the system but that’s nothing new.


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They will get massive compliance. Every ad on armslist, gunbroker, Facebook or whatever other online outlet exists will instantly require an FFL transfer.
No one wants to get charged with a felony for selling off the 22 that their kid doesn’t shoot anymore.

Now, between neighbors or members of communities you’ll have people bucking the system but that’s nothing new.


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So gunbroker already requires FFL transfers for shipping firearms. Facebook doesn't allow firearms sales (even with an FFL they frown upon it) and I see armslist probably just folding up shop.

99% of the other ways private sales get done won't change.
 
So gunbroker already requires FFL transfers for shipping firearms. Facebook doesn't allow firearms sales (even with an FFL they frown upon it) and I see armslist probably just folding up shop.

99% of the other ways private sales get done won't change.

Have you looked on Facebook lately? Noticed all the “gun cases” for sale for $1?
Those people are bending the rules a bit but I bet you’ll see a lot of that go away. Armslist, I could see going either way.

My point being, unless you’re selling to a friend or neighbor there will be changes and most people involved in those sales will comply.

I don’t have any friends or family that are into guns so almost any private sale for me is with a person I don’t know.


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If a tree falls and no one is around, does it make a sound? How do they police that? How do they know a private sale occurs?
You sell to a guy. Guy uses the gun in a crime or gets red flagged. They trace the gun to you. You go to jail. You do not pass go. You do not collect $200.

Terry
 
You sell to a guy. Guy uses the gun in a crime or gets red flagged. They trace the gun to you. You go to jail. You do not pass go. You do not collect $200.

Terry
"Ocifer, I sold it prior to that law taking effect."
"What, my BOS? They weren't required. Have a nice day."
 
You sell to a guy. Guy uses the gun in a crime or gets red flagged. They trace the gun to you. You go to jail. You do not pass go. You do not collect $200.

Terry

How do they trace the gun to you if you bought it previously in a private sale with no paperwork involved?
 
Just to make sure you understand that the purpose of the proposed law is to screw gun owners:

From H.R. 8:
“(B) Regulations promulgated under this paragraph may not include any provision requiring licensees to facilitate transfers in accordance with paragraph (1).

“(D) Regulations promulgated under this paragraph may not include any provision placing a cap on the fee licensees may charge to facilitate transfers in accordance with paragraph (1).
 
You sell to a guy. Guy uses the gun in a crime or gets red flagged. They trace the gun to you. You go to jail. You do not pass go. You do not collect $200.

Terry

So, how do they trace the gun? Take the felons word for it? Nice fear mongering.
 
https://www.independentsentinel.com/idea-sheet-on-gun-control-legislation-considered-by-the-wh-doj/
The Daily Caller obtained a copy of an idea sheet circulating among Republican members of Congress, which indicates that gun control legislation under consideration would expand background checks to include all commercially advertised unlicensed sales, in line with the Toomey-Manchin bill.

“Consistent with the Manchin-Toomey draft legislation, a background-check requirement would be extended to all advertised commercial sales, including sales at gun shows,” the handout reads.

One source familiar with the meetings said that Barr pitched the legislation by warning that a lack of action could electrify the Democratic base prior to the 2020 election. Barr also did not consider the background check legislation a gun control measure. He sees it as a tool to assist law enforcement in cracking down on gun smugglers, the source explained.
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So, how do they trace the gun? Take the felons word for it? Nice fear mongering.


They start with the manufacturer or importer of the gun and follow the paper trail from there to distributor, to dealer, to purchaser, as far as they can. If you bought the gun in question new, then there is a traceable paper trail to you unless someone screwed up along the way. If you bought it used from a dealer, there may be a paper trail to you. If you bought it used from an individual, there may still be a traceable trail that has nothing to do with taking a felon's word for it.
 
They start with the manufacturer or importer of the gun and follow the paper trail from there to distributor, to dealer, to purchaser, as far as they can. If you bought the gun in question new, then there is a traceable paper trail to you unless someone screwed up along the way. If you bought it used from a dealer, there may be a paper trail to you. If you bought it used from an individual, there may still be a traceable trail that has nothing to do with taking a felon's word for it.

That's a whole lot of ifs thrown in there. But hey, I guess we all go to jail.
 
That's a whole lot of ifs thrown in there. But hey, I guess we all go to jail.


On a used gun, yes, that is a whole lot of ifs. On a gun you bought new, there aren't many ifs at all. As a manufacturer, importer, or dealer, one of the best ways to get on ATF's bad side in a hurry is to not respond quickly to a trace request. If you can't or won't respond, they lower the boom. For that reason, most FFLs take their record keeping seriously.

Also, if you bought a used gun that was part of a multiple purchase form submission (like, if you bought two handguns at the same time from a dealer) or if you report a gun stolen and later get it returned, the feds' paper trail gets picked back up again, even if it was broken before. I've had personal experience with this one.

I'm certainly not advocating for the proposal. Quite to the contrary.
 
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https://www.independentsentinel.com/idea-sheet-on-gun-control-legislation-considered-by-the-wh-doj/
The Daily Caller obtained a copy of an idea sheet circulating among Republican members of Congress, which indicates that gun control legislation under consideration would expand background checks to include all commercially advertised unlicensed sales, in line with the Toomey-Manchin bill.

“Consistent with the Manchin-Toomey draft legislation, a background-check requirement would be extended to all advertised commercial sales, including sales at gun shows,” the handout reads.

One source familiar with the meetings said that Barr pitched the legislation by warning that a lack of action could electrify the Democratic base prior to the 2020 election. Barr also did not consider the background check legislation a gun control measure. He sees it as a tool to assist law enforcement in cracking down on gun smugglers, the source explained.
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Yeah, every infringement of every one of our Rights is always claimed to be merely a tool to aid law enforcement and nothing more, and wholly not capable of being abused.

It's nonsense arguments like Barr's that get the USA PATRIOT Act continuously renewed, keeps the FISA court hidden and with no independent oversight, and sees the FBI meddling in American elections.

There are some tools specifically denied to law enforcement in this country by the Bill of Rights....and I am tired of Liberty constantly being eroded because it inconveniences a government gang that exists solely to use violence against their fellow Citizens for failing to yield to the scribblings of a class of people generally regarded as the most degenerate, corrupt, and vile band of lying thieves our society produces.
 
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What the hell is a commercial non FFl seller? Sounds illegal already


If you are placing an ad in the forum's BST, that is a "commercial non FFL sale".

Commercial = ad placed in some form that is, or could be, considered a business.

While our Forum owners here are not necessarily profit motivated, but that does not equate to "non commercial"

- forums,
- armslist
- gun shows

Essentially any sale that initiates via some 'venue' vs. your buddy or family. As I read it, private sales to individuals known to each other would still be allowed without a background check.
 
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Barr also did not consider the background check legislation a gun control measure. He sees it as a tool to assist law enforcement in cracking down on gun smugglers, the source explained.

Crock-o-shite....smugglers don’t do business through a FFL, nor will they start when it’s the”law” that every transaction must go through a FFL.

This is a tool alright...a tool to assist .gov in tracking who has what and how much they have. That’s all this is about...that’s it. It ain’t about “keeping guns out of the wrong hands” or stopping “prohibited” folks from obtaining a firearm.

Lemme throw this out there...if .gov were genuinely concerned about firearms falling into the hands of those who may use them for ill intent, then why in the hell did they facilitate the movement of so-called “weapons of war” to cartels south of the border?


This ain’t got dick to do with “safety”. All this is is a building block in the foundation of a totalitarian state.


Technology has progressed to the point where it is more difficult to conceal the rot, the filth and the corruption. Imo, that is precisely why the disarmament angle is being pushed.

“Pull their teeth, then, they can’t bite anymore and we can do whatever we want with impunity. Power/control...it’s all ours.”
 
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Just to make sure you understand that the purpose of the proposed law is to screw gun owners:

If you didn't believe that previously, consider how they rejected amendments to apply their red-flag laws to convicted felons and to known listed gang members (for the latter, they used the exact same argument they rejected for the "no-fly, no-buy" bills)

Limits for the law-abiding, but nothing for the criminals.
 
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