"210 Days of Freedom: The Coming Private Firearms Sales Frenzy"

So, how do they trace the gun? Take the felons word for it? Nice fear mongering.
If you filled out a 4473 when you bought it, that's how. Guns have serial numbers for a reason. That's not fear mongering that's reality.

Terry
 
As I read it, private sales to individuals known to each other would still be allowed without a background check.
Probably because they know they can trace the gun to you and since you know who you sold it to, they know you'll give him up when they put on the pressure.

Terry
 
I got this.

Right now, I don't buy new guns. Only used guns.
I don't do BOS, or 4473. Only undocumented private sales.

When the new law passes, I don't sell guns. I keep all of 'em I got.
I stop buying guns. Instead, I buy ammo. Lots of it!

God love ya, what am I sayin'!
I don't own any guns at all!
Nothing about that new law will apply to me.
Fergit I was even talkin'... :cool:
 
It specifically says that the serial number must be recorded on every transaction. Wouldn't that be a registry? Why can't they just check out the buyer, and give him a certificate that says there's no reason to deny him the right to own a gun. And make it good for as many guns as he wants to buy, for some period of time, like a year?

And there's no talk on here about how this violates Amendment #10--there is no Federal jurisdiction. The Feds confiscate our money, then coerce the States by telling them they can have some of it back if they pass laws that the Feds can't.
 
“I will accept any rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.”

The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, Robert A. Heinlein.
 
FOPA 86

"No such rule or regulation prescribed [by the Attorney General] after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or disposition be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary's authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation."

But lo and behold, https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-16-552

"Of the 4 data systems, 2 fully comply and 2 did not always comply with the appropriations act restriction prohibiting consolidation or centralization of FFL records. ATF addressed these compliance issues during the course of GAO's review. ATF also does not consistently adhere to its policies."
 
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ATF also does not consistently adhere to its policies."

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If you filled out a 4473 when you bought it, that's how. Guns have serial numbers for a reason. That's not fear mongering that's reality.

Terry

So, very few of the guns I’ve ever bought. Got it.


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If you filled out a 4473 when you bought it, that's how. Guns have serial numbers for a reason. That's not fear mongering that's reality.

Terry
Guns sold before 1968 did not require a 4473. Those guns went to Stan's Feed & Seed, Henry's Hardware, Montgomery Ward, etc. and were sold over the counter like a pack of gum. Sure, they might have gotten back into the system later on but tracing them would be nearly impossible. And there were a lot of guns made and sold before 1968.
 
Guns sold before 1968 did not require a 4473. Those guns went to Stan's Feed & Seed, Henry's Hardware, Montgomery Ward, etc. and were sold over the counter like a pack of gum. Sure, they might have gotten back into the system later on but tracing them would be nearly impossible. And there were a lot of guns made and sold before 1968.
I'm perfectly aware of that. I have some of those. But, for the last 51 years most gunowners have bought at least some of their guns from FFL dealers. Plenty of 4473s to keep the jackboots busy.

Terry
 
I'm perfectly aware of that. I have some of those. But, for the last 51 years most gunowners have bought at least some of their guns from FFL dealers. Plenty of 4473s to keep the jackboots busy.

Terry
Those are all the ones I sold and since at least in NC, no sales records weren't required on private sales I no longer remember who I sold or traded them to.
 
Guns sold before 1968 did not require a 4473
God Bless That America. I'll never forget when I was free to buy guns with no paperwork. We bought guns at the Merchandise Mart in Charlotte years back and would stop by the road in Monroe and shoot them on the way home. Can you imagine trying That today???
 
I went to gun shows at the CMM back in the day. I also went to OGCA shows at the Cleveland IX Center. It wasnt a gun show. It was a gun collector meeting. No membership. No entry. 1000 table "show". I dont know if they even exist anymore. FWIW...I have a friend in the gun industry and he says the Federal law is pretty clear already. If you sell guns, you are a gun dealer and as such you are supposed to have an FFL. He goes on to say if you sell a gun to someone w/0 being a dealer or being a dealer who does not do due diligence, and that gun "gets in trouble", you are going to jail.
 
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